Husky/Wolf/Inuit Hybrids....

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My neighbour has a Siberian Husky. This dog is given total freedom on their 150 acre farm and I have to say she does actually have good recall ... providing she doesn't see something she wants to eat, lol! She is great with my dogs, however the owners have told me that she has killed many chickens, feral cats, skunks and even went for a porcupine a few months ago. Funny thing is, they say she never ever goes for the wolves and this does seem to be the case with her as I have been over at their house when the wolves have started howling and it's like she doesn't even hear them - quite odd as my dogs go crazy when the wolves howl. My big white dog simply wants to eat them! And the 2 slightly smaller adult dogs were nearly eaten by the wolves. The puppy hasn't met them yet thank god!

Another farmer friend of mine has an Alaskan Husky and she runs free on his farm - his farm is thousands of acres however every time I go to visit, she is always down by the heifers wandering around like a collie. She's a really nice dog.

 

[Tia]

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Its amazing how many times I get asked, are they wolves regarding Shala and Nero yet Brier is a much more realistic lookalike so the opinions of the general public differs considerably from yours, which is pleasing for me considering I'm breeding a lookalike.

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The general public of Britain mustn't know what wolves look like then

. Sorry, but although they are lovely dogs, if people over there think they look like wolves then they need to get out more

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No she's not, to be honest I'm not keen on CWD's. Inuits certainly look nothing like a Belgium Shep though.

Tia, the wolves you're seeing are very different to the Carpathian wolf, I wouldn't say wolves are lanky, they're much bigger, heavier, heavier coated, longer legs, different feet e.t.c Sure you know anyhow, you see them often!!

But you're used to the Grey Wolf!

Here's a European ( Carpathian) wolf ...

And one of my bitches...

She's a good lookalike though, when people say about Shala and Nero, I have to admit, I agree with you, to me, they just look like striking looking dogs

 

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Fairyland is not defamatory when you're trying to tell me my bitch has CWD in her when she doesn't. Also when you question the extent of my knowledge on the breed then go on to say 'I have it first hand from people who have bought these BI dogs' - I go by facts, not 'he said, she said'.

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That you know of. I beg to differ, thats my opinion, Im quite entitled to it, as you are yours.

I also have it first hand of people who have bought them, one such dog being PTS at 16mths having attacked two people, one fairly seriously.

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Yes, but what purpose does the pug serve? None. Atleast there are a few BI's out there trained in search & rescue. If you watched pedigree dogs exposed then you'd know that nearly every breed in the country is bred for looks these days. My ex will tell you how the KC have ruined the true working border terrier and C's weekly will show you how the English Bull Terrier has been modified to create a far more enhanced roman nose.


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The KC havent ruined anything, breeders have done that, just like BI/NI and Ute owners are doing. Although the KC are funding research into helath issues and have successfully eradicated some diseases in Dogs, all the BI/NI breeders have succeeded in, is breeding dogs with all the inherited diseases of all the breeds they are crossed with!

With regard to registration etc.. Ive been reading about a dog registered with the BI club, and its mother is a GSD, is this typical of BI breeders and their ethics? Breeding crossbreeds and calling them BI?

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There are few inuits for sale compared with the amount of Labs, Chihuahua's, spaniels, D de B's e.t.c but I agree that in any breed not everyone is breeding for the 'right' reasons!


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Of course there are!! KC registered breeds are far more number wise because they are an ESTABLISHED breed with varifiable back up. BI/NI are in the making, yet novice owners (not saying you are) and people who have never bred a dog before own and breed them within 2yrs!


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Its amazing how many times I get asked, are they wolves regarding Shala and Nero yet Brier is a much more realistic lookalike so the opinions of the general public differs considerably from yours, which is pleasing for me considering I'm breeding a lookalike. Regardless of their looks they are the most fabulous dog and I wouldn't think of owning another breed after these.


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Go to a dog show and ask the people who know something about dogs what they look like! Its all well and good joe public "thinking" if thats the type of market you are targeting, me persoanlly would be targeting a healthy animal and consider its looks when that was in order. How the public see a dog is what has caused the major problems with breeds like the SBT, Pit Bull and Rottweiler etc.. Id steer away from that market if it were me.

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Regarding health problems in dogs, I refer back to 'Pedigree dogs exposed', plenty of ill-health dogs yet not an inuit in sight. As you well know I have a few inuits and am yet to visit the vet for a reason other than hipscoring, vaccs or whelping with them since owning them.


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No sorry I dont "know well" at all. I DO know (NI mainly, same as BI of course) that pups have been dying of clotting disorders, many have high hip scores, have had other "unexplained" illnesses resulting in their deaths at early ages, Addisons Disease, hereditary cataracts etc.... I could go on.

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On the subject of money, I certainly wasn't preaching but I'm totally honest in saying for the sleepless nights, hours of work, not to mention worry and stress (I love my girls dearly!!), lovely big vets bills, not to mention the feed bills (Royal canin is nearly £40 a bag - and a bag doesn't go far with ten hungry babies) breeding dogs is certainly no money spinner. As I say if I wanted to make some money, I wouldn't breed.

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Then why DO you breed? Most reputable breeders will only breed to keep one for themselves, do you always do this? and do you only keep to breed more from that one?

See I get confused (not difficult these days) When I see a picture of your dog "Moto" on one site, stated as being rehomed into a pet home, then see him on your site as one of your stud dogs, what are people expected to believe? Can you see what I mean and how it appears to people?

Money certainly comes into it, I dont care what anyone says, breeders wouldnt charge such sums if they werent bothered about it, surely they would just cover their costs?

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My ex will tell you how the KC have ruined the true working border terrier

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Yeah most people who arent familiar with Borders as a whole will say that, tell your ex he's welcome to come out for a days shooting or ratting with me and my "show" Borders any time.

An interesting thread, I mean no offence to anyone in my posts.

 

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Good Sibe then, Mags has owned them for a good 35 years and once they reach 6 months she won't let them off, even on the beach they're gone.

Re. the chickens e.t.c it reminds me of when I go training with her in the winter, they see a rabbit, a squirrel or a bird and suddenly the team surge forwards in full pursuit!!! Quite amusing, just glad the quad has breaks

 

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And I bet it wasn't a BI and I bet I know where it came from. Seeing as we're being so open, I'd love to know the breeder and the dogs lines... No doubt you couldn't possibly say.

The KC and breed clubs issue something called a Breed spec. Just what diseases have the KC erradicated that BI's are now breeding into dogs?

That practise is not allowed, they wouldn't even register a friends Ute when I enquired so I doubt very much a registered pup has a GSD as mum. God knows it'd be a mongrel of a mess if true, again...I'd like to see the evidence with my own eyes as is with the case above.

Ok, seeing as you want to be pernickity lets use labradoodles, sprockers and puggles as examples, I see far more of those advertised than that of inuits, none of which are acknowledged by the KC - a bent establishment anyhow!

You seem to view Joe Public as an inferior to yourself, questioning their intelligence. I attend many events from game fairs, county shows, dogs shows e.t.c and am yet to find someone who thinks they look like something from Battersea - unllike the labradoodle.

Busted...from the paragraph I have just read, I think I've just clicked as to who you are, very clever, coincedence that you joined on the 8th too

But in answer, none of my pups have had any of what you mention and my first boy came back 3:4, far better than many KC registered breeds I'm sure you'll find. Shoshone inuits have very good, low hipscores if you take a peek.

I don't understand why she put him on that page, perhaps something to ask her, I didn't actually know until you'd pointed it out. Especially as she's having a pup back and sold him as a stud dog. And yes, I have kept one bitch from both litters. Such sums? That is covering costs, work it out for yourself.

Shooting? Haha, the border was bred to go shooting, thats a springer, cocker, lab or other gundog. A border was bred as a bushing dog - rats - or to dig down to quarry in an earth, namely the fox and in previous years when legal the badger. They don't make workers any longer hence why they are rarely used.

 

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Busted...from the paragraph I have just read, I think I've just clicked as to who you are, very clever, coincedence that you joined on the 8th too But in answer, none of my pups have had any of what you mention and my first boy came back 3:4, far better than many KC registered breeds I'm sure you'll find. Shoshone inuits have very good, low hipscores if you take a peek.

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Well considering I have NEVER hidden who I am, including putting my website in my profile which includes my name, Im afraid you havent "busted" anyone!

Some people simply have nothing to hide!

I joined on the 8th having been pointed to the thread by other members of another forum, as did several others I would imagine.

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And I bet it wasn't a BI and I bet I know where it came from. Seeing as we're being so open, I'd love to know the breeder and the dogs lines... No doubt you couldn't possibly say.


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Well the owner bought it as a BI, strangely enough Im told the breeding was the same as her sisters NI!! apart from the immediate sire and dam, weird though, didnt tie in with other NI pedigrees. Cant tell you the breeders name, I dont know it, I can try to get in touch with someone that may do though, if it would help you?

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That practise is not allowed, they wouldn't even register a friends Ute when I enquired so I doubt very much a registered pup has a GSD as mum. God knows it'd be a mongrel of a mess if true, again...I'd like to see the evidence with my own eyes as is with the case above.


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His dad was a BI and his mother was an GSD, he looks quite like his dad, except his markings are a bit more pronounced.


BI's still x-breed, this is why they split with the NI as they theought the gene pool too small so they still cross with Mals, huskey's and GSD's along with other BI's & NI's. Hope that makes sense.

I do know he is registered with the BI Club, so what does this make him?
Seems it is!

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You seem to view Joe Public as an inferior to yourself, questioning their intelligence. I attend many events from game fairs, county shows, dogs shows e.t.c and am yet to find someone who thinks they look like something from Battersea - unllike the labradoodle.


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No, I find many of the public are family folk who are conned by people breeding dogs to sell at high prices and left with heartach at the end of it. I have managed a kennels for the last 15yrs, I see it all the time, its very sad indeed.

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Shooting? Haha, the border was bred to go shooting, thats a springer, cocker, lab or other gundog. A border was bred as a bushing dog - rats - or to dig down to quarry in an earth, namely the fox and in previous years when legal the badger. They don't make workers any longer hence why they are rarely used

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No the Border was originally bred to go to ground to bolt Foxes, thats illegal now

What Border enthususts DO know is that they are a very versatile working terrier which can apply themselves to any task. Look at these pictures and tell me why I would possible need a Springer?

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I don't understand why she put him on that page, perhaps something to ask her, I didn't actually know until you'd pointed it out. Especially as she's having a pup back and sold him as a stud dog. And yes, I have kept one bitch from both litters. Such sums? That is covering costs, work it out for yourself.

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I did the sums, people dont need to charge £600 per pup to cover their cost, especially when there is 10 in a litter!

 

[Tia]

Ah, they are Carpathian wolves that Northern/British Inuits came from then? I've got it! The problem for me is the word "Inuit" hence I imagined any wolves involved in a breed with such a name, would obviously be from the Arctic .. doh!

I did wonder what you were going on about when you were saying that the alphas in wolf packs interbred with their offspring, as with the wolves over here, they are monogamous and breed for life. Total crossed wires, Lol!

Yes we have Grey/Timber wolves, Eastern Red wolves and Brush wolves around here. The Timber Wolves don't look anything like dogs. They don't move like dogs and they are much skinnier and taller than dogs with very long ungainly legs; they are healthy looking mind, not mangy or anything. Plenty of food around these parts for them. The Red and Brush wolves are much smaller but even from far away you can easily tell they aren't a dog as they just do not look like dogs or move like them. Close up, I don't think anyone would ever mistake them for a dog.

Anyhow, I digress, I'm not really sure why this breed has become a bone of contention; seems the general public are the people who hold the power to which "breeds" of dogs will survive and which won't. I like your dogs and whatever they are is fine by me

. But then I don't get all het up about where or what they descended from. Interesting reading though.

 

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See, you're full of cock and bull, digging down to foxes is most certainly NOT illegal. Read the Hunting Act 04 thoroughly before plucking things out of the air.

No, we don't still cross with mals, gsd's or husky's. Come and view my studs and my bitches and tell me they're a first cross with a gsd, mal or husky... Come on now, I'm still waiting for you to explain the gene pool 'thing', you seem to avoid the questions that you don't know the answers to.

£600? View my website and have a look at what my two remaining pups are up at. Write me out expenditure and income clearly and I'll point out everything you've missed out. I also have to wonder why more than half the breeds cost more than £600 if in your view you don't have to charge that to cover costs.

I have nothing to hide either hence my website link having been in my siggie for well over a year. But, no, there's another link there, I also had an email through late last night explaining, hence why I'm not going to go around and around in circles with you.

 

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No, they're just bred to look like those

Haha, you must have been thinking what is she on about! Yes, I saw a programme on that on Nat Geo Wild, another male moved in and killed her young and killed the male wolf that she'd been with for 5 years...very sad!

Thanks Tia, infact the only people who do start mud slinging are those that are jealous. We had it from the sibes a while ago because people chose to buy inuits over husky's because they are not so hyper and are far more managable and laid back...more like a pet than a working dog.

You're right, they are the ones that choose what survives and what doesn't and all I ever hear are good things from 'my puppies' so I'm happy!

Oh, very random but my bf was on about the breed that your Clover is yesterday, I was surprised he's even heard of them!!

 

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No, I find many of the public are family folk who are conned by people breeding dogs to sell at high prices

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I'll refer you back to 'Pedigree dogs exposed' if you want to talk about members of the public being duped!

I'll also say that £650 isn't a huge amount to spend on a dog. Its people breeding crap and selling it for a couple of hundred pounds into bad homes thats the problem in this country.

 

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See, you're full of cock and bull, digging down to foxes is most certainly NOT illegal. Read the Hunting Act 04 thoroughly before plucking things out of the air.

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I suggest you think about your "deflamatory" postings before talking about something you clearly have no knowledge of. Ive been working Terriers for 16yrs or so, only the "gamekeepers" clause allows dogs to go to ground to Foxes, and only then to be bolted to the gun by a "soft" Terrier, go ask your ex!

Im sure he will enlighten you. You also appear to "think" I said Borders were bred for shooting, I again suggest you READ the posts properly before you write answers to what you THOUGHT people had said!

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No, we don't still cross with mals, gsd's or husky's. Come and view my studs and my bitches and tell me they're a first cross with a gsd, mal or husky... Come on now, I'm still waiting for you to explain the gene pool 'thing', you seem to avoid the questions that you don't know the answers to.

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What gene pool thing, what question? The father of this BI was a Shohone Dog and its mother, the owner said is a GSD, cant you handle that? Re your studs, one of them was a supposed to be a rehomed animal in a pet home, doesnt speak much of quality to me, I think Ill give it a miss if you dont mind.

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£600? View my website and have a look at what my two remaining pups are up at. Write me out expenditure and income clearly and I'll point out everything you've missed out. I also have to wonder why more than half the breeds cost more than £600 if in your view you don't have to charge that to cover costs.


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Remaining pups? having problems selling them?

I always think advertising pups is a sure way of knowing you have bred too many or not found sufficient homes before breedng them, dont you?

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I have nothing to hide either hence my website link having been in my siggie for well over a year. But, no, there's another link there, I also had an email through late last night explaining, hence why I'm not going to go around and around in circles with you.

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Im not quite sure what to make of that, but it does appear I have struck a nerve, or hit the truth, the latter I would favour. The BI and NI are a mockery and a mock up of a dog that has a lot of problems not helped when people are crossing them left right and centre with other breeds they claim not to be. Tell me how an NI becomes a BI, is it just the "club" they are registered with? They surely do have EXACTLY the same breeding as NI, whats the difference? only thing I can see is that some of them have a distinct CWD colouring about them.

Its about time people realised what was going on, how amny now?
Northern Inuit
Chimayo Inuit
British Inuit
Utonagon
Northern Illimar

How many more "breeds" are going to spring up from the exact same animals??

If you dont want to continue, thats absolutely fine by me, I appreciate your input and respect your opinion, but please dont think everbody is sucked in by breeders who breed for breedings and moneys sake, and that people will accept folk making a different breed from the same dogs, is ridiculous!

Im pleased you appear to see I dont need a Gundog either, as I said, genuine Border folk will know how versatile the breed is. My offer stands if your ex wants a day out ratting or shooting with mine, all 100% show bred and good at what they do! I havent done Fox work for a few years now, as I said digging to Terriers is illegal (your ex will tell you) and as I dont have game birds to protect, Fox work is not required here, although I shoot a few, but Borders are wonderful as they are, cant manage to retirieve them!

 

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Exactly....so it is not illegal. Hence the loophole. I don't need to ask my ex anything thank you, having read the act cover to cover myself.

No, he was not, he was sold as a stud dog, hence her having a pup back. What has quality to do with cutting a stud and rehoming it as a pet? Nothing. I know for a fact that particular dog produces quality puppies. But aside from that your opinion means little to me.

I'm afraid I'm not accountable for what other breeders do. Just as you are not accountable for what other border breeders get upto

Talking of health issues I assume you are aquainted with CECS, hip dysplacia, Perthes disease, various heart deffects, juvenile cataracts, seizures, PRA...I could go on but quicker to give you a link to the website. All common illnesses within the breed of the border terrier.... Ho hum

Not that its any of your business we had taken names for 7 puppies, which is what we would have expected, as you know she gifted us with 10

But aside from that what an ignorant comment, even Jane who won best of breed with the Jap Shiba Inu's at Crufts advertises her puppies...should she not be breeding either

I'll repeat myself a third time, I don't breed for money, all that work for a couple of hundred pound left in the pot to feed the bitch for a year is not my idea of making money. My grandfather owns a multi-million pound company in the south east, thats what I call money.

I doubt you do protect game birds, the shooting fraternity favour the snare I believe.

 

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Re. the Utes, they went in a different direction anyhow, adding collie.

 

[bensababy]

QR - My OH has a British and a Northern Iniut. I cant post pics on work Pc but will quite hapily email them if someone wants a look. Just PM me.

 

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QR - My OH has a British and a Northern Iniut. I cant post pics on work Pc but will quite hapily email them if someone wants a look. Just PM me.

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You sent me piccies before

Do you have a photobucket account, you can upload them on there...

 

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Exactly....so it is not illegal. Hence the loophole. I don't need to ask my ex anything thank you, having read the act cover to cover myself.


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I work within the law, I dont need loopholes thanks, if I had game birds to protect, I would do, but thanks for NOT pointing out the game bird clause in the first place!

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No, he was not, he was sold as a stud dog, hence her having a pup back. What has quality to do with cutting a stud and rehoming it as a pet? Nothing. I know for a fact that particular dog produces quality puppies. But aside from that your opinion means little to me.


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When an animal is rehomed as a pet, its usually because they are of poor quality and NOT suitable for breeding, yet you want us to believe you didnt know the the dog was on one site as a rehomed pet, then on yours as a stud dog (no health resulst posted either) and you dont see the significance in that? sadly it doesnt surprise me one bit.

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I'm afraid I'm not accountable for what other breeders do. Just as you are not accountable for what other border breeders get upto Talking of health issues I assume you are aquainted with CECS, hip dysplacia, Perthes disease, various heart deffects, juvenile cataracts, seizures, PRA...I could go on but quicker to give you a link to the website. All common illnesses within the breed of the border terrier.... Ho hum

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Yes I am very familiar with CECS, I have seen Dogs with it, all Labradors, but it has been noted in Borders, so Border people are the ones that have got off their backsides and are doing something about it, if you'd like me to point you to the research being done Ill happily do that.

You have quoted from an American site I would imagine, if you can show me proof of any of the other things you mentioned being "common" in the Border, Ill agree with you. I can however point you to people with BI/NI sufferering from HD, Epilepsy, and also undiagnosed clotting disorder and stomach problems, also as yet undiagnosed, and that undiagnosed because the BREEDERS sweep it under the carpet and dont admit its there!

Can you please show me your proof on Seizures in Borders? I assume you are referring to CECS and are not able to distinguish the difference, Id be happy to point you in the direction of videos of Borders having CECS attacks, but Im sorry I cant find you one of a Border having a "seizure" You really must know what you are copying before printing it.

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Not that its any of your business we had taken names for 7 puppies, which is what we would have expected, as you know she gifted us with 10 But aside from that what an ignorant comment, even Jane who won best of breed with the Jap Shiba Inu's at Crufts advertises her puppies...should she not be breeding either

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I know Janet VERY well and her mother, I have done since I started showing. You will find her dogs are of excellent quality, all fully health tested and if she advertises then Im sure the prospective owners will KNOW what they are getting, not "think" they know. Janet and her mother started showing before me, with Dobermanns, I boarded her mothers Dobes for years for her before Janet bought her kennels, feel free to check up if you wish!

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I'll repeat myself a third time, I don't breed for money, all that work for a couple of hundred pound left in the pot to feed the bitch for a year is not my idea of making money. My grandfather owns a multi-million pound company in the south east, thats what I call money.

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Wow! Bully for you, for petes sake, multi million? really? Gosh we are in the presence of such "royalty" couldnt give a toss!

money wont buy me what I have, HONESTY.

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I doubt you do protect game birds, the shooting fraternity favour the snare I believe.

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Do they? Not near me, but if they are happy doing that, its fine by me, I prefer shooting myself.

You are grasping at straws, faling to answer any of the points I raise, you cannot tell me why somebody can just "make" a breed with the same dogs as another breed, give it a new name and wonder why nobody questions it! I mean, if I buy an Arab but fall out with the Arab society (or whatever its called) I dont just rename my Arabs, "British Arabs" do I? Then expect everyone to believe its a "new breed" when its exactly the same as it was, just with a new handle on it, like the GSD is an Alsatian, yes?

Im sorry if I have upset your apple cart, but having done my homework into these dogs for the last few years, you know what I am saying is true and youre trying to pick at anything you can to change the subject. Whilst I am very happy to talk about Borders and the problems they face (not least unscrupulous breeders out for money alone) I dont think "this" thread is the right place. Please feel free to start another thread and Ill help you all I can with any questions you may have.

I can talk Border all day!

 

[bensababy]

oh yes, my photo bucket account i cannot access through work. Anyhow, its totally irrelvant probaly to most of the debate here, i just wanted to say after a few things i have glanced over about the BI and NI, my OH has 2 - they are the most fantastic dogs i have ever had the fortune to meet. Full of character and wouldnt harm anyone, and fantastic to look at. If i could post a pic of the BI at a year old - he looks incredibly wolf like IMO.

 

[severnmiles]

PP, you neither own nor breed inuits, your experience of the breed and the dogs themselves is clearly very limited and your arguments flawed and 'opinionated'.

The proof is in the pudding as in the above post so I'll say no more on the subject

 

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Fine! Considering you havent answered one single question, claimed to ask me about a "gene pool" question, yet when I asked what it was you didnt bother to reply, thought you'd slip in about a breeder of pedigree dogs, which I just happen to know very well, and have not offered one single explanation about the breeding, registering of crossbreeds and health issues, I think speaks volumes!

You have however tried to discred the Border Terrier, but demonstrated your ignorance in that too. My offer still stands, if you would like to know ANYTHING about the Border, please start a thread and Ill do my best to help you.

 

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As I've said, I have no more to say on the subject. But yes Jane advertises in about 5 different websites that I have seen, the border illnesses were taken off of an English website, as said I'm not accountable for other breeders actions and I'm yet to witness any health problems within the breed other than an intolerence to wheat, wheat is actually undigestible to all dogs. I'm assuming you agree with using a father on daughter within the border breed as some breeders are doing. Tut. Tut.

 

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Hi again, want to continue?

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the border illnesses were taken off of an English website,

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Can you point me to it please, Id like to contact the owners for back up on their claims, thanks.

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I'm yet to witness any health problems within the breed other than an intolerence to wheat, wheat is actually undigestible to all dogs.

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Which breed? BI? NI? Ute? Nothern Illimar? Chimayo Inuit? OOPS! sorry they are all the SAME breed!

If you look at the NIS website you will see ALL of the dieases and problems I have told you of, from OWNERS who's dogs are suffering from them. You may have to pay though to become a member, for some reason they have closed the health section from normal none paying members!

Wonder why?

Grain is undeigestible to dogs, yes im quite aware of that, I fee Raw and Naturediet to my Dogs, rice being grain too of course, but is the easiest for a canine to digest in its entirity.

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I'm assuming you agree with using a father on daughter within the border breed as some breeders are doing. Tut. Tut.

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Why would you assume that? Grasping again? I wouldnt mate father to daughter no, nor brother to sister either, I think its FAR too close, assuming is not really the best way to score points.

I have 3 Borders pedigrees on my site, line bred yes, not too close IMO but some may disagree, of course thats up to them.

but hide them, certainly not.

Oh and did you know that since this thread has started I have had 68 visits to my site by way of referral from this one? Good innit!

Are we clear, or any more?

 

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I'm not a member of the NIS so have no need to look. I don't breed NI's so don't concern myself with the breed. Utes introduced collie and the Northern Illimar had wolf in it. None of which are connected with what I breed. Bit like comparing a lab with a retreiver.

Glad you're aware of that, the problems with the digestive system in BI's come when owners don't listen to advice from breeders regarding feeding hypo-allergenic dog food.

I imagine they're all visits from people wondering what your problem is considering today alone I've had 3 PM's regarding you and your 'behaviour' in this thread...Good....INNIT - what are we Vicki Pollard?

 

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I'm not a member of the NIS so have no need to look. I don't breed NI's so don't concern myself with the breed. Utes introduced collie and the Northern Illimar had wolf in it. None of which are connected with what I breed. Bit like comparing a lab with a retreiver.

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How can you not breed NI when all your dogs are NI breeding? please expand on how your dogs are different.

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Glad you're aware of that, the problems with the digestive system in BI's come when owners don't listen to advice from breeders regarding feeding hypo-allergenic dog food.


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Then Id take the dogs back and find them more suitable homes, where the owners DO listen, can only be best for the dog in the long run.

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I imagine they're all visits from people wondering what your problem is considering today alone I've had 3 PM's regarding you and your 'behaviour' in this thread...Good....INNIT - what are we Vicki Pollard?

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Only 3? I had 4 emails via my website saying it was good to see you getting it back at you!

Still im not concerned with that, just that I am telling the truth.

Who is Vicki pollard?

Ill ask AGAIN. What gene pool question do you want answering, and which English site did you get the Border healthinfo from?

 

[alleycat]

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Oh and did you know that since this thread has started I have had 68 visits to my site by way of referral from this one? Good innit!

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No, its not, necessarily. You need to ask yourself WHY people are looking.

I looked

Nice pictures; but the sermons about others' "irresponsible" breeding operations just get boring without a clued up opponent, so probably won't go back.

 

[severnmiles]

Things are not always as they seem and neither are people. You can scour the world for someone to look after dogs aswell as you do yourself but nobody does it as you yourself do. Same with horses, I wouldn't trust anyone to look after mine. Do you think the Singing Stud thought they'd found anything but superb homes for their trakehners?

"Only 3? I had 4 emails via my website saying it was good to see you getting it back at you!"

Great English, please elaborate.

If you've never heard of Vicki Pollard you clearly live in quite a cacooned world which doesn't surprise me.

Please view the 'Gene Pool' thread.

Now, here...the mind boggles... You have to have a good memory to be a good lier... I'm always wary of those who say they are nothing but honest- those are always the liers and it seems you don't differ.

On one hand you say you cannot tell me the name of the breeder that bred a certain dog earlier in this very thread, yet on the Gene Pool thread you have a 6 gen pedigree of an inuit in your hand. A pedigree that being a breeder I know full well contains the name and address of the breeder.

Funny that

 

[pingpong]

Thanks, appreciated.

Im not after repeat business, I dont breed dogs, or Cats for that matter, however Im pleased you took note of the irresponsible cat breeding page, such a disgrace what goes on there. Just last week I had a call about a litter of 9wk old kittens who couldnt open their eyes, when they finally got help for them they all had to be PTS with severe ulcers and eye damage through infection. The mother was "got at" by the loacl tom, such a common story!

 

[kirstyhen]

I have to say I wouldn't fancy taking a Border to a local shoot, far too foxy coloured to risk IMO. My parents have seen a couple of reddish terriers nearly shot because of their similarity to a fox.

Also wouldn't fancy their chances of retrieving shot game larger than a pigeon/crow!

 

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you've never heard of Vicki Pollard you clearly live in quite a cacooned world which doesn't surprise me.


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No sorry, who is she?

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Please view the 'Gene Pool' thread.

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Read and posted in that thread, cheers, was that the question you asked, only i cant find it?

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Now, here...the mind boggles... You have to have a good memory to be a good lier... I'm always wary of those who say they are nothing but honest- those are always the liers and it seems you don't differ.

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Please show me where I have lied? Anywhere will do, then Ill await your apology.

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On one hand you say you cannot tell me the name of the breeder that bred a certain dog earlier in this very thread, yet on the Gene Pool thread you have a 6 gen pedigree of an inuit in your hand. A pedigree that being a breeder I know full well contains the name and address of the breeder.

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Yopu see you are wrong again, Ill repeat myself AGAIN for you!

I said I have a 4 generation pedigree with 6 lines back to the same dog, you need to read what people write! I DO have that here, Ill email it to you if you like, its freely available on the net.

I told you i dont know who the breeder of the nasty dog was, I offered to find out for you, but once more you didnt reply, you do that a lot. At no point did I say it was the pedigree of the nasty dog, you are "assuming" again. Do you want me to tell the owner of the dog that you are enquiring as to its breeding and want to know who the breeder is or not?

 

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I have to say I wouldn't fancy taking a Border to a local shoot, far too foxy coloured to risk IMO. My parents have seen a couple of reddish terriers nearly shot because of their similarity to a fox.

Also wouldn't fancy their chances of retrieving shot game larger than a pigeon/crow!

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Its fine on a beating line or retrieving Pigeon or Crow/Maggie, which is what I do most with them.

Borders couldnt possible retrieve a Fox, I shoot Foxes, but dont use the dogs in those cases.

my bitch has retrieved Pheasant, but it was a struggle.