Hybrids...not mongrels

MissCandy said:
My friend breeds puggles (pug x beagle) and they actually sell for £1200 ;)

I have to say they are very active dogs with no problems breathing.
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I'd want them to poo gold for that price.

Anglebracket, a lot of cross breeding supporters go for the 'hybrid vigour/crossing reduces health problems' thing so I don't see the point of crossing two breeds which have similar health issues as well as plenty of their own - when they are both good honest little dogs in their own right.
 
CaveCanem said:
I'd want them to poo gold for that price.

Anglebracket, a lot of cross breeding supporters go for the 'hybrid vigour/crossing reduces health problems' thing so I don't see the point of crossing two breeds which have similar health issues as well as plenty of their own - when they are both good honest little dogs in their own right.
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I agree with you on this. However, I believe that with some pure breeds (and cross breeds) appearance has been placed above the animals well-being. Why selectively breed for squished faces if it causes breathing problems for the animal? It doesn't matter to me whether two extremely squished faced animals are from the same breed or not, in my opinion the trait should not be bred for. It serves no purpose (other than giving the animal a distinctive look).
 
I think historically it was done to allow bull breeds to grip their prey and still breathe.
Not sure how that applies to the pug.

Aesthetics is the main sales pitch for a lot of cross bred dogs also, the main points on most ads seem to be 'cute' 'adorable' 'tiny' 'fluffy' 'rare colour' etc....I've yet to see a 'designer dog' sold on the strength of the health tests carried out on the parents, or the dogs behind it, or functionality etc....sold for a lot more money than the dogs which have all of those things, ironically.
 
New one on me too but I will admit the whole designer dog business leaves me cold little or no health checking using breeds with known health issues then say they have hybrid vigour and will be healthier is a downright lie. Labradoodles started all these silly names they are mutts/ mongrels or what ever else you want to call them. Accidents aside and lots of heinz dogs are lovely why would anyone really want a mish mash dog with health issues not addressed. And pay huge amounts of money for them. I just dont get it
Rescues are full to overflowing with dogs with poor breeding or bought on a whim or as a fashion accessory why oh why do people think it is cute to make up such stupid names.


























Oh I know cash for misery
 
MissCandy said:
My friend breeds puggles (pug x beagle) and they actually sell for £1200 ;)

I have to say they are very active dogs with no problems breathing.
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That is an obscene amount of money to charge for any pet dog, particularly a crossbred dog. I like pugs and beagles, but I actually think that 'puggles' are quite ugly little dogs, bred purely for the name, rather than for a purpose.
 
I've found that Puggles very quickly lose their cuteness... :eek:
And they've still got squashed faces, albeit a little less squashed, but still squashed. So I'm guessing they're going to find it harder to breathe than a Lab or something.
I saw a picture on Twitter of a Pug X King Charles the other day, can't remember what the silly name was. Its eyes looked like they were going to pop out any second tbqh...
 
I wouldn't have anything with a beagle in it, regardless of how cute it was :D and for £1,200 I'd expect it to sing and dance on command! Your friend should be ashamed of herself

The only way I'd pay that sort of moneyfor a dog is if it was a trained gundog with good breeding.
 
Ridiculous! I paid that for each of my pedigree, from hip scored, eye tested, kc registered, good working/showing/temperament lines, vaccinated, wormed/fleaed, microchipped, mal pups. Plus a puppy pack worth over £100 - toys, videos, feed plus raw feeding manual, supplements, books, photo's of the parents, gparents etc, collars, leads.
 
GinaB said:
I wouldn't have anything with a beagle in it, regardless of how cute it was :D and for £1,200 I'd expect it to sing and dance on command! Your friend should be ashamed of herself

The only way I'd pay that sort of moneyfor a dog is if it was a trained gundog with good breeding.
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Totally agree. How the heck can you justify that much? For what, exactly? Are the parents amazing ring champions? Are they even health tested or is it just bandwagon, daft name, loads of cash, please? Bonkers.
 
Most of the puppy farmers that were producing Puggles a few years ago seem to have moved on to "rare" coloured bulldogs and other crosses. Some still do the cross and have flash websites with outright untruths to fool the gullible puppy buyer.

Amazing how these sites rarely show adult puggles?
A google image search soon shows why.


There are a lot of pug crosses in rescues.
 
when did crossbreed dogs stop being called what they are ie a 'labrador x springer spaniel cross' and start being given cutsie names like 'springador'? Was the labradoodle the first? Surely, until the traits breed true, a cross breed remains a crossbreed not a puggle, or a labradoodle, or cockerpoo etc? Or is that just me being a grumpy old git?

I have a Harrier Hound x Welsh Fox Hound - any suggestions for a cute 'name' for his breed?:D
 
LuckyRed said:
when did crossbreed dogs stop being called what they are ie a 'labrador x springer spaniel cross' and start being given cutsie names like 'springador'? Was the labradoodle the first? Surely, until the traits breed true, a cross breed remains a crossbreed not a puggle, or a labradoodle, or cockerpoo etc? Or is that just me being a grumpy old git?

I have a Harrier Hound x Welsh Fox Hound - any suggestions for a cute 'name' for his breed?:D
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A foxy har-hoo?
 
s4sugar said:
Amazing how these sites rarely show adult puggles?
A google image search soon shows why.


There are a lot of pug crosses in rescues.
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oh my! I've just googled. The cross produces some nice dogs, but the majority look a bit odd to be honest. They are big too, much bigger than I had assumed.

Someone on my facebook has just got one. Mental.
 
I'm going to Google puggles at break!

One of my dogs is a lab x rottie. Occasionally I refer to her as a rottador as a joke but if anyone asks what she is I tell them the cross, not a cute name.
 
FlaxenPony - Pugalier - sadly my step brother has one, for the sake of family relations I bite my tongue when his lovely but entirely naive wife tells me about how crossbreeds are so much healthier!
 
"Pugalier"...... derivative of Pugalist, Bare fist fighter?

Most of the dog breeds no longer have a job to go to and that has/will be and is their downfall.

Why on earth does anyone want a "breed" of dog? unless it is to do a job?

Surely Beagles are for Hare Hunting are they not? so no need for them any more, sadly. Is there?????
 
Well, different breeds have certain qualities that people look for. For example, I have a mini schnauzer as they have nice temperaments, can give or take a walk, don't cast and are nice characters. Obviously, I know you can get certain characteristics with mongrels.

We keep labs for how they were originally bred, retrieving.

The mongrel I own happened to be handed into rescue the day my OH called in to see what procedures for rehoming was. Jess decided she was going to go home with him ;)
 
This thread is why when I decided to get a puppy, I steered well clear of designer dogs and went to people who have been breeding papillons for years for them to show. I've met both parents, they have all been health checked for PRA and slipping patellas, and are both champion show dogs. But most importantly, they are super friendly, sweet and gentle. I'm having to wait for the breeders to decide which 2 of the 3 they want to keep but its worth it to have a lovely puppy. I figured if I'm paying ££ for a puppy then I want to know that it has the best chance of being a healthy and happy dog.
Sadly I doubt breeders of designer dogs are so careful :( If you want a crossbreed, go to a shelter.
 
Ha ha! Why should my friend be ashamed of herself?

Some of you have (wrongly) assumed that she doesn't have the parents health tested and that perhaps she thinks of the money over a good home.

If somebody is prepared to pay £1200 for any dog, more fool them. I don't think the price tag is a bad reflection on the seller :confused:

I actually think adult puggles are nice looking dogs but maybe that's because I'm used to my friends dogs and their temperaments. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that ;)
 
MissCandy said:
Ha ha! Why should my friend be ashamed of herself?

Some of you have (wrongly) assumed that she doesn't have the parents health tested and that perhaps she thinks of the money over a good home.

If somebody is prepared to pay £1200 for any dog, more fool them. I don't think the price tag is a bad reflection on the seller :confused:

I actually think adult puggles are nice looking dogs but maybe that's because I'm used to my friends dogs and their temperaments. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that ;)
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Your friend can charge what she likes. What she should be ashamed of is puppy farming - breeding puppies as a cash crop. She isn't from Doncaster by any chance? If so I met one of her puppies at the vets today - epilepsy isn't nice.
 
I would be thoroughly ashamed if I ever used my dog to breed just because it had a uterus and I fancied taking the p!ss out of people by charging stupid money for a pointless cross.

health tests-really? Link us the KC health tests of her dogs. Double dare you! :rolleyes:

It's been said before, but crossing a brachycephalic dog with a dog that has a huge hunting instinct is not only stupid but also cruel, IMO.
 
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s4sugar said:
Your friend can charge what she likes. What she should be ashamed of is puppy farming - breeding puppies as a cash crop. She isn't from Doncaster by any chance? If so I met one of her puppies at the vets today - epilepsy isn't nice.
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She isn't puppy farming though :confused: and no, she isn't from Doncaster.


cinnamontoast said:
I would be thoroughly ashamed if I ever used my dog to breed just because it had a uterus and I fancied taking the p!ss out of people by charging stupid money for a pointless cross. Other than using her dog to make money, no, she needn't be ashamed and give me a break re the health tests-really? If so, link us the KC health tests of her dogs. Double dare you! :rolleyes:
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How very judgmental! As I'm pretty sure you don't know my friend I'm pretty certain you have absolutely no idea why she decided to breed her dog.

The cross is only pointless in your opinion. What is the point in any breed of dog intended to be a pet?

And yes, really! I have no idea how to link KC health tests for dogs, nor do I have any inclination to do so to satisfy your curiosity. So take your :rolleyes:somewhere else.
 
Puppy farming is the production of puppies to sell......ethical breeders breed to improve the breed and keep the next generation and the ones sold are a by product.

Your friend is a puppy farmer.
 
s4sugar said:
Puppy farming is the production of puppies to sell......ethical breeders breed to improve the breed and keep the next generation and the ones sold are a by product.

Your friend is a puppy farmer.
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Ok, she's had one litter (so far) kept one for herself, given one away and sold the others at the 'going rate'. Not much different to your definition of an 'ethical breeder'.

Whether you agree or not, Puggles are 'her breed' so how do you know she isn't breeding to improve that breed?
 
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MissCandy said:
Ok, she's had one litter (so far) kept one for herself, given one away and sold the others at the 'going rate'. Not much different to your definition of an 'ethical breeder'.

Whether you agree or not, Puggles are 'her breed' so how do you know she isn't breeding to improve that breed?
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They are not a breed so she is not breeding to improve anything. Crossing two disparate breeds and adding a stupid label does not make a breed.

All she is doing is not improving the parents' breeds.


How did she work out the "going rate"? They are advertised from around £200 to around £1500 (which just proves that PT Barnum was correct)

Have you seen how many older puppies are being advertised -ones that didn't sell as babies?

Has she the facilities to take back any she breeds, at any age or time? They don't have a breed rescue to pick up the pieces.
 
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