Hybrids...not mongrels

PMSL ^^ These people who won't link the relevant dog's health tests because they think we're nosy-hilarious! No way do the people charging silly money for silly crosses health test-that would eat into their profit! :rolleyes:
 
First of all I will say this again as I have 100 times before. No breeder with an excellent health tested dog would put it onto another breed. So pug onto beagle is my dog onto my mates dog.

Secondly what experience does the pug owner have when it come to beagles? They are clever dogs that need time and stimulation, my friend has one and she lives on a farm.

Thirdly if you don't have homes for the puppies don't breed them.

Fourth what idiots buy them they are fuelling the dog epidemic we have. Buying without health tests of the parents being available and paying more than you would pay for proven pedigree. The point that's missed is YOUR PUP MIGHT HAVE A CONDITION PASSED ON FROM ITS PARENTS AS THEY AREN'T HEALTH TESTED WHICH MEANS VETS BILLS FOR YOU AND SUFFERING FOR THE POOR DOG. God knows what tdogs just by mating one breed with another brings to the health situation.
 
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s4sugar said:
Most of the puppy farmers that were producing Puggles a few years ago seem to have moved on to "rare" coloured bulldogs and other crosses. Some still do the cross and have flash websites with outright untruths to fool the gullible puppy buyer.

Amazing how these sites rarely show adult puggles?
A google image search soon shows why.


There are a lot of pug crosses in rescues.
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Don't know a huge amount about these type of dogs, but having googled images of the adults, some where rather nice looking.
Genuinely interested in why they are not a good thing
 
rubysmum said:
Don't know a huge amount about these type of dogs, but having googled images of the adults, some where rather nice looking.
Genuinely interested in why they are not a good thing
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Getting up at 5 am and you didn't read the whole thread, C! Beagles=hunters. Pugs=brachycephalic (flat faced) Pugs often have breathing issues so to mix the two is not a good idea, won't improve the breed etc because you may end up with a brachycephalic dog who wants to go off and hunt and suffers because it can't get enough oxygen.

It's also rare (although not unheard of) for those who breed 'designer' dogs with daft names to carry out proper health testing (the appropriate breed tests as recommended by the KC) because it equals less money for the breeder.

Charging silly money is unjustified but typical for 'designer' breeds, mainly because they have stupid names. Back in the day, these pups would be free to good homes as an 'oops' litter.

This is from Wikipedia, which as we know in AAD is not necessarily the best source :p but it does mention potential health issues:
Puggles are not necessarily healthier than their parent breeds.[7] Both Beagles and Pugs can suffer from cherry eye and epilepsy. Puggles can also inherit hip dysplasia from one or both of their parents. Some Puggles can suffer from food and environmental allergies. If the allergies are serious enough, a special diet or steroid shots may be needed.
Puggles who have longer snouts like the Beagle parent are at a reduced risk of respiratory problems. However, Puggles can suffer from the respiratory ailments commonly found in Pugs (a breed known for being brachycephallic), which can be problematic. One common, nonthreatening respiratory ailment that Puggles sometimes suffer from is reverse sneezing (also called backwards sneezing or inspirational paroxysmal respiration).
 
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cinnamontoast said:
Getting up at 5 am and you didn't read the whole thread, C! Beagles=hunters. Pugs=brachycephalic (flat faced) Pugs often have breathing issues so to mix the two is not a good idea, won't improve the breed etc because you may end up with a brachycephalic dog who wants to go off and hunt and suffers because it can't get enough oxygen.

It's also rare (although not unheard of) for those who breed 'designer' dogs with daft names to carry out proper health testing (the appropriate breed tests as recommended by the KC) because it equals less money for the breeder.

Charging silly money is unjustified but typical for 'designer' breeds, mainly because they have stupid names. Back in the day, these pups would be free to good homes as an 'oops' litter.

This is from Wikipedia, which as we know in AAD is not necessarily the best source :p but it does mention potential health issues:
Puggles are not necessarily healthier than their parent breeds.[7] Both Beagles and Pugs can suffer from cherry eye and epilepsy. Puggles can also inherit hip dysplasia from one or both of their parents. Some Puggles can suffer from food and environmental allergies. If the allergies are serious enough, a special diet or steroid shots may be needed.
Puggles who have longer snouts like the Beagle parent are at a reduced risk of respiratory problems. However, Puggles can suffer from the respiratory ailments commonly found in Pugs (a breed known for being brachycephallic), which can be problematic. One common, nonthreatening respiratory ailment that Puggles sometimes suffer from is reverse sneezing (also called backwards sneezing or inspirational paroxysmal respiration).
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Theoretically you could make quite nice dogs but you would have to start breeding the healthy crosses with each other I think to ensure you picked the favourable traits? To make an F1 cross new each tme leaves it entirely up to chance. And that would basically be staring a new breed I guess?


Do people make new breeds anymore? When was the last time a new breed was actually created? Is there any reason that people shouldn't (not saying puggles should be it neccessarily but in theory if someone was responsible and had a plan in mind)?
 
This gives a decent account of the Cesky terrier start up - http://www.cesky-terrier-club.co.uk/html/history.html and you will find similar for the Eurasier.

The difference between this & the fad breeding is the aim & purpose of the new type and that the early generations are all kept and assessed and bred on if they have desirable traits or are discarded from the breeding pool. They are not called anything but crosses for quite a few generations & no money was made.
 
Do you know what is hilarious? People making judgments based on what they think they know and applying those judgments to somebody they don't know!
 
s4sugar said:
This gives a decent account of the Cesky terrier start up - http://www.cesky-terrier-club.co.uk/html/history.html and you will find similar for the Eurasier.

The difference between this & the fad breeding is the aim & purpose of the new type and that the early generations are all kept and assessed and bred on if they have desirable traits or are discarded from the breeding pool. They are not called anything but crosses for quite a few generations & no money was made.
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Thank you :) I very much see the difference in making a new breed for a purpose and making cross breedsnfor money. I just literally had no idea whether people still started new breeds. I guess the answer is yes, but rarely :)
 
s4sugar said:
This gives a decent account of the Cesky terrier start up - http://www.cesky-terrier-club.co.uk/html/history.html and you will find similar for the Eurasier.

The difference between this & the fad breeding is the aim & purpose of the new type and that the early generations are all kept and assessed and bred on if they have desirable traits or are discarded from the breeding pool. They are not called anything but crosses for quite a few generations & no money was made.
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So the biggest issue then is not that people are crossing breeds per se but that they are making money from it?
 
No the biggest issue is lack of purpose or need I think.

If someone can see a practical need for a new breed, say to work slightly different terrain etc then I can see the point, particularly as it would then be done for function and likely from breeds that were not currently wildly different from eachother with clashing attributes like say.. oh a pug and a beagle :p
 
MissCandy said:
So the biggest issue then is not that people are crossing breeds per se but that they are making money from it?
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No it is that they are crossing random breeds for no purpose but to make money - the only aim is to sell puppies AKA puppy farming.
 
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