I am utterly fuming!!!

[endymion]

get your info from another country

Oh so Scotland is another country now?

Fact is the terrain supports a large fox pop, is suitable for hunting with hounds and has lots of sheep farming. Yet with no fox hunting we have no severe fox problems. This is supported by studies all over the country. Even some people on this thread have said as much.

I did not metion deer or any other animals. I accept deer need to be culled but not the way you want. Magpies, well they may eat songbird chicks but have been doing so for thousands of years. Songbirds would have died out a long time ago if magpies were to blame for their demise. More likely intensive agriculture and other human activity. Incidentally some species of woodpeckers also take songbird chicks but are not persecuted like magpies. Specie-ism perhaps?

Hunting with hounds is gone gone gone, time will tell whether you or I are right and i'll bake you a nice humble pie.

 

[wurzel]

"Oh so Scotland is another country now?"

I am no constitutional expert but with a different government (headed by Alex Salmond), different laws, a different education system and a different bank, I would hope so !!

Don't you agree?

"Fact is the terrain supports a large fox pop, is suitable for hunting with hounds and has lots of sheep farming. Yet with no fox hunting we have no severe fox problems."

So, fine !! Who gives a toss what you do up there? In Denmark they advertise Dolly Buster Anal slut video's at pavement level. In Sharjah there is no disco's in Ramadan.

Different ideas around the world. Get it?

"Magpies, well they may eat songbird chicks but have been doing so for thousands of years."

Trouble is, as an experienced sheep farmer, you know they also eat sheeps eyes, don't they? It is a problem isn't it?

"Hunting with hounds is gone gone gone"

Whatever you say Endy !!!

It appeared different three weeks ago. But I may have been dreaming. But I can't talk for Londinium.

 

[endymion]

We have a devolved government, with some powers but essentially under the control of Westminster and NOT at all an independant country - yet. Your knowledge of politics is obviously on a par with your knoweldge of ecology - minimal.

Different ideas around the world????? hmmm, the U.K is a very small place - Scotland is hardly distant is it?

I have heard they eat the eyes of carcasses, if you say they take eyes from live animals I'll take yer word for it but do you honestly think you can reduce such a species' numbers? Kill one another comes along.

Oh I don't think hunting with hounds has stopped per se. It will take decades for it to finally die out. Do you think in 50 years people who are not even born yet will be campaigning as hard for a sport that been illegal their whole lives? You have to have the ban overturned or it will die a slow, lingering, but ultimately final death.

 

[wrighty]

"But no matter how shut your mind is"
Hehehehe, coming from a Pro.

 

[wurzel]

"We have a devolved government, with some powers but essentially under the control of Westminster and NOT at all an independant country - yet. Your knowledge of politics is obviously on a par with your knoweldge of ecology - minimal."

Whichever way you want it Endy! "We have a devolved government"! Whatever you say. I don't know how independAnt you are. To me it is another country. I have no knowledge of politics or ecology.

Do you have any knowledge of sheep farming?

"the U.K is a very small place - Scotland is hardly distant is it?"

It is. But things can always get better!

" I have heard they eat the eyes of carcasses, if you say they take eyes from live animals I'll take yer word for it but do you honestly think you can reduce such a species' numbers? Kill one another comes along."

Is this a Scottish thing? I think we have a story down here about honey jugs.

No endy. if I shoot a Magpie it stays dead. If I shoot 50 there is 50 less.

"Oh I don't think hunting with hounds has stopped per se."

I don't understand the last two words.

"It will take decades for it to finally die out."

Well that is a bit of a guess isn't it endy? It has been banned but will take decades to stop? Good law.

"Do you think in 50 years people who are not even born yet will be campaigning as hard for a sport that been illegal their whole lives?"

I think my grandchildren will hunt as much as I do. I think they will just hunt.

"You have to have the ban overturned or it will die a slow, lingering, but ultimately final death."

Not really Endy. I have hunted from last August to the 1st May. Your ban is merely an irritant. It has not stopped us at all.

 

[wurzel]

What is your point wrighty?

 

[Eagle_day]

"I do admire your google search BUT"

Google? No. Something a vet said to me over 20 years ago, a man born and bred in the area.

Aberdeenshire may be beautiful, but if any horses I kept were likely to die of grass-sickness, I wouldn't want to live there.

"ignorant/arrogant" I thought I was making a scientific point on why there is no mounted foxhunting there, but if you're descending to abuse, is this any good?

Your anti friends must be very proud of you , Endy. Their very own little pet country boy

 

[endymion]

No endy. if I shoot a Magpie it stays dead. If I shoot 50 there is 50 less.

There are also 50 spaces available for new magpies, hence one step forward one step back. Unless the whole country were indiscriminatly slaughtering magpies hunting will have no effect on numbers. They reproduce quickly and are highly adaptable.

I think my grandchildren will hunt as much as I do. I think they will just hunt.

As I said time will tell.

 

[endymion]

Google? No. Something a vet said to me over 20 years ago, a man born and bred in the area.

You obviously have a good memory.

Aberdeenshire may be beautiful, but if any horses I kept were likely to die of grass-sickness, I wouldn't want to live there.

Obviously the thousands of horse owners in Grampian are not as considerate as you. The place is full of horses, both working breeds (lots of my fav breed - Clydesdales) and riding horses. I rode up their till I left the area 8 yrs ago and was never aware of any huge problems with grass sickness.

Ignorant and arrogant are not abusive terms in my book, but I apologise if you are offended. I suspect that you are not.

Your anti friends must be very proud of you , Endy. Their very own little pet country boy

About 3/4 people I know that regularly sab come from in and around the (rural) area we sab in. When hunt support are shouting 'townies' at us it makes me grin that some of the group are probably their neighbours, lol!

 

[wizzi901]

I think you will find he is winding you up, he hunts regularly!! Its part of his black humour¬!

 

[wurzel]

"There are also 50 spaces available for new magpies, hence one step forward one step back. Unless the whole country were indiscriminatly slaughtering magpies hunting will have no effect on numbers. They reproduce quickly and are highly adaptable. "

So what do you suggest farmer?

 

[endymion]

I'm not trying to give you advice, I'm just pointing out that killing them is futile.

Exactly how many sheep do you get annually that have been seriously injured by magpies? Is it really enough to justify the effort of hunting? (unless, that is, you do it for fun).

 

[wurzel]

Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[matty007]

Why is breaking somethings neck cruel, its one of the quickest deaths.

So you wouldn't mind if someone broke your neck then??!. :wink:

 

[Janetterose]

It is amazing how people get so worked up about this and how much time and energy is spent debating it both for and against. I was at the meeting when Dan Norris was egged and other than the only thing that it damaged was his pride and his dry-cleaning budget, it was pretty viscious stuff by the pro-hunters involved in the confrontation. Having said that the LACS were probably as bad. Shame we cant all get equally as worked up about poverty, Iraq and other human rights abuses!

 

[peakpark]

Was that when Norris went to Badminton to gloat about the ban?

 

[Janetterose]

That was one incident but the one I am talking about was at private persons house at a general MP surgery in Somerset. There was a pro-hunt person who happened to leave early and then there were horns - some very bright lights, landrovers and a lot of shouting and abuse. Incidentally these people who love the countryside so much left their egg boxes along with a load of other rubbish in the field.

 

[severnmiles]

Why is breaking somethings neck cruel, its one of the quickest deaths.

So you wouldn't mind if someone broke your neck then??!. :wink:

Not at all...if you gave me so many choices of dying it would be one of my preferred options...can't be instant death can you