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I made further enquiry last night and have been left a message this morning. He has apparently been homed and has settled well. Jadey obs still go ahead with calls as you never know and it's piece of mind. I did now he was placed in a secure rehoming facility but obs needed to keep this confidential as the case was going on.
I think we all know the outcome for the remaining bitch sadly.
The inspector also asked me to pass this message on.

I asked could I now confirm the outcome for Buster The answer:

*By all means yes. He was re-homed by one of the Regional RSPCA Animal*
Shelters. So far no problems. He's doing great.
*You might also want to add the dangers of giving away a pet over the*
internet and what may become of the pet.

*How important it is to always do a home check and follow up when giving* pets away like this.

Hope that helps.
 
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amymay said:
Was the reason for the bitch's destruction because she was classed as a pitbull?
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Whilst it has never been confirmed to be but was explained to me by a police officer (dealing with DDA cases) he said the dogs can in most cases be returned bound by rules (or owners anyhow) of the neutering, muzzling, insurance e,t,c the can only be placed back with the "owner" so in this case because welfare was involved that option of "return" was removed, so im affraid LL would have sealed her fate there:(They would not beable to take the chance of placing them in new homes because of the ban and the breed type.
This is not confirmed, however Busters outcome was.
 
That is fantastic news - really hope he gets the freedom and love he deserves :)

Well done for persevering with the case Cayla, think lessons have def been learnt but as CC said in other thread, many forum members have done fantastic work to rehome some dogs through here - hopefully this is/was an isolated case.

Sweet dreams to Silk and Suki x LL shame on you! :mad:
 
Thanks CAYLA

I hope Buster is in the good home he deserves now. FWIW as CC said yesterday this is the only sad story amongst the many other successes people on here have had in helping rehome dogs to good homes - I hope that continues for the sake of the dogs who do get helped and those who tried to help Buster were doing it with the best of intentions and have nothing to feel bad about. :o
 
No problem, obs I still urge Jadey to call and check, or better still have a look around the shelters if she needs to put her mind at rest, I can only pass on that Im given.

I do see where you where coming from, it was but one sad isolated case and I do see the point of many (had buster) not ended there, to what misery would those bitches have ended in, still its all still very sadenning to think he could have ended the same way (good on the neighbours for keeping an eye out) as I also remember her post about her complaining that the neighbours where complaining the bitches where underweight. Which leads me to believe, a mental illness was indeed in play, as why bring such things up "bitches being mentioned to be underweight" bitches being taken away" when all along this was the case.:confused:
 
At least Buster has had a happy ending.

I was uncomfortable due to the money thing, and something just not ringing true to me - as said I do find it a bit uncomfortable giving animals away online even if it does work out sometimes and I'm not about to lie about that. But then the pics were posted and I thought maybe I misjudged her. And I thought well, money is not the be all and end all, don't judge someone based on a lack of money and wondered if maybe I was being a bit snobby. So I was also taken in:o
 
Spudlet said:
At least Buster has had a happy ending.

I was uncomfortable due to the money thing, and something just not ringing true to me - as said I do find it a bit uncomfortable giving animals away online even if it does work out sometimes and I'm not about to lie about that. But then the pics were posted and I thought maybe I misjudged her. And I thought well, money is not the be all and end all, don't judge someone based on a lack of money and wondered if maybe I was being a bit snobby. So I was also taken in:o
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I get you totally spud. I was also trying to be a bit open minded and believe that some people reall do manage but just need to get to "pay day".
It was how desperate she was to get him that made me believe she really had the mean to take him:confused:
I suppose he was being advertised on face book I think Jadey said, so could have ended anywhere, atleast this way we could keep track, as horrible as that track was:(

I have to say although I found some top class homes here and we do of course "have a website" so intially it is people from the internet wanting to take some of our rescues ( we do a more thorough check and keep the dogs chipped to us) so had he been one of ours I would have know immediately as we would have been contacted (our chips are none transfearable) it has still made me very uneasy.
This is certainly a reminder of what can heppen when "giving away pets" anwhere really.
 
Thanks for the updates Cayla. i've only just seen these threads having been away this weekend.

I do feel very responsible for this as I was the one to hand him over to her and I really should have gone to her house instead of meeting her at a tube station (my only defence is I HATE driving in London :( ) She did seem very normal, practical and down to earth though and I felt confident to leave him with her given her responses to everything we discussed. This has really shaken my faith in my own judgement and I will definitely be much more suspicious in future.

I am so relieved that he has found a good home in the end. Enjoy the rest of your life Buster x
 
I'm glad to hear Buster has a new home at last. I have stayed out of these threads as my memory is shockingly bad and I didnt want to say something I wasnt supposed to! I think major alarm bells started going off for everyone when LL posted about the girls being taken away and even more so with the update post of the first bitches destruction. Clearly she has major problems and certainly managed to spin quite a web of lies. As sad as it is that the bitches never got a second chance at a happy life we have to take some comfort for the fact they are no longer living in misery and starving and that they didnt die in that flat, they saw a final act of kindness from humans. I think Busters introduction did spur all this to happen, they say everything happens for a reason and although it can't have been a nice ordeal for him at least he didnt suffer much and now he finally has a lovely home that he deserves.
Many dogs have found fabulous homes through here, we need to be mindful of that as well as this case. In a similar situation if one arises I think we need to make certain through checks between ourselves that the home seems suitable. Buster was passed to LL on the street, nobody had seen her home. Both these factors could easily have been avoided by making sure that someone met LL in her home prior to the rehoming and also that the dog was handed over in her home. I think Candy was rehomed without any homechecking either, handed from car to car, but whilst obviously her story had a far far nicer outcome we can't ever in the future assume this to be case. It would be a shame though if in the future other dogs werent given a chance at happiness with forum members because of this incident. It is not difficult to be more vigilent in the future. I for one would be happy to check homes out of anyone in my area and I'm sure most of us would. And any geniune person wishing to rehome a dog would also be happy with that, I think we can assume LL wouldnt have wanted someone to see her flat.
 
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Thanks for the updates Cayla. i've only just seen these threads having been away this weekend.

I do feel very responsible for this as I was the one to hand him over to her and I really should have gone to her house instead of meeting her at a tube station (my only defence is I HATE driving in London :( ) She did seem very normal, practical and down to earth though and I felt confident to leave him with her given her responses to everything we discussed. This has really shaken my faith in my own judgement and I will definitely be much more suspicious in future.

I am so relieved that he has found a good home in the end. Enjoy the rest of your life Buster x
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Dont blame yourself x
 
Thanks for the update Cayla, hope Buster now has a long and happy life. Brownmare you are certainly not to blame, you were helping someone out who we all believed to be genuine.
Vizzy raises some good points re checking homes, I would be happy to do it locally, could always use the criteria that GSD Rescue have me use, no bugger would get past that!:p
 
So glad Buster is in a good home.

I can understand for a lot of you it has left a very bitter taste in your mouths but lessons have been learnt and no one has any reason for feeling guilty.

As CC said concentrate on the positives and all the dogs you have been responsible for rehoming into wonderful homes without you that wouldnt have been possible. You all deserve a well deserved pat on the back.

Keep up the good work.
 
I am so happy he has found a home, hopefully he will be able to settle there for good.

I would feel much more comfortable if we organised home checks for future forum rehomes. So many dogs have found their forever homes through this forum, it would be horrible if that good work stopped because of this.

I would be more than happy to carry out any checks in my area.

It's so easy for us all to look back and point out posts that didnt ring true or seemed a bit off, but we all believed her and no-one ever wants to believe that people can be capable of such neglect.
 
I hope Buster has found a lovely home to grow old in.

Cayla - Don't beat yourself up, we aren't the first people to be taken in by somebody and we will no doubt not be the last :(. Hell, there have been some shocking child deaths in the last few years where trained social workers and doctors have had the wool pulled over their eyes. There are some cunning people out there, who will go to any length to get what they want.
You keep up the good work that you do for dogs in need and chalk this one up to experience.
 
Well done C for trying to sort this whole mess out, you know my feeling of LL when i spoke to you on the phone and ive swtayed out of it all due to it been an on going case, as you said you helped re home the dog he did not go through your rescue so dont for one min feel bad or any other that helped.
Sadly there is alot of sick people about that mis treat animals and thank god she has now been banned and the RSPCA will keep a close eye on her.

When i saw the photos of him in his new home alarm bells started to ring sadly fo me.
 
So glad Buster's got a new home. Its a real shame you can't trust how some people present themselves on a forum. Its easy to look back in hindsight to see warnng signs, and there are those who notced them before. I guess the only answer is to home check, as it sounds as though there have been good homes found on here for other dogs. I thnk everyone acted in what they thought were the dog's best interests. unfortunately there are people like LL who seem to collect animals without regard on their well being. At the yard I was at a woman bought 3 TBs over the course of the summer, never rode them or looked after them properly. The YO stepped in and got them rehomed to people on the yard.
 
I'm so naïve. I take everyone at face value on internet forums. I'm glad there has been a happy outcome for the Staffie boy, and hope that the authorities are now keeping a close eye on the welfare of LL's son.
 
Thanks Cayla
I did post on the other thread, i finally got through to the RSCPA in the end, and i passed on my details for them to give to the new owners so fingers crossed they get in touch :)
Hopefully Buster has found his forever home :)
 
Everyone involved in Busters case, acted with good intent. Nobody should feel ashamed because they helped. Sometimes you trust people and they disappoint you, but you were not responsible for Busters fate. That lays squarely on LLs shoulders.
 
CastleofLove said:
From reading this thread and the other it would appear that there are a number of people who felt uncomfortable with the rehoming situation at the time it happened but chose to say nothing. It is very easy to be wise after the event, perhaps in the future it would be good if people could raise their concerns via PM if they have them?

I agree with Vizslak's idea that all rehomers (is that a word?) should have a homecheck first - Amy came to me with no check, which is in no way a criticism of Cayla in any way cos of course I am trustworthy :p:p - but I would have been very happy for someone to come and have a look around the tin shack before she came to me :)
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yeah but thats cos, you had been checked by greyhound rescue and made me aware of that, I had conversed with you for months and months and seen your dogs posted hundreds of times, and I googled your whereabouts:p and the dog is chipped me:p, so very traceable should she end up in a situation like busters. I would know about it as soon as the dog was removed and scanned.
Starbucks was home checked and so was Winstons mammy, it is alot harder to get checkd so far, but to be honest I wont ever let adog out of a 100 mile radius again as sad as it sounds.
Ever dog I have homed far away reportd in pretty frequently and sends me updates, infact I have some of the puppy lurcher who was chucked from the car I need to post:) I get lovely monthy updates for him and for Thomas the pupp lurcher savaged who is now Dexter.

This is a very good example of how our dogs are backed. We got a call today to say "a staffi" in Warwickshire:eek: was in the dogs wardens van (before the owner even knew);) luckily the gate was left open and the owner was mortified when my mam called and left straight from work to collect her, the dog warden described her as a ver friendly "fat little piggy":D
But still I wont rehome far away again home check or not.;)
 
CastleofLove said:
From reading this thread and the other it would appear that there are a number of people who felt uncomfortable with the rehoming situation at the time it happened but chose to say nothing. It is very easy to be wise after the event, perhaps in the future it would be good if people could raise their concerns via PM if they have them?
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if only we all had a cystal ball! And yes, I know of a few people who were uneasy about this. I did voice my concerns later on but was shot down - I raised concerns about keeping three dogs in a flat with a little boy but apparently that was fine and manageable as other people on this forum successfully keep their dog in a flat ;)

This may have been by PM actually (I don't remember) but was told to keep quiet/not talk about it because a court case was ensuing :(

Coupled with previous posts about how LL was not supposed to even have dogs in her council flat - but what the hell - and this was accepted too :(

I agree with Vizslak's idea that all rehomers (is that a word?) should have a homecheck first - Amy came to me with no check, which is in no way a criticism of Cayla in any way cos of course I am trustworthy :p:p - but I would have been very happy for someone to come and have a look around the tin shack before she came to me :)
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I too asked who had homechecked LL's flat but was told this was a private rehoming - therefore no one.

Again going on hindsight (how marvellous to have that) that at least two people said that LL sounded either drunk or drugged on the phone, she couldn't afford the train fare and yet no alarm bells rang from experienced rehoming people?

She had previously said that she had only just come to this country and that she was in a (council) flat that did not allow animals

Anyway, it seems that thankfully Buster has a happy ending - and thank God for that! I think that Jadey (being very young) did everything she thought was right in the dogs best interests but it does just go to show that the majority of the "in crowd" on AAD are very young and do not have life's experiences despite how they appear to come across.
 
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RW, I'll take ownership of the fact that I pointed out that Prose lives in a flat with two dogs very successfully with a hubby and a baby on the way, and via PM, I said that the case should not be mentioned on the open forum while it was live in court - I said that, as a contempt of court fee can run to £10k and I am sure the publishers of HHO would not like to stump up for that - aside from that, if the case had collapsed, it would not have helped the dogs.

I'm 30, BTW :) if indeed you consider me to be part of the 'in crowd'.
 
I see your point, I'll let those other old duffers come on and defend themselves, but to be honest, I think they've gone beddie-byes in their special chairs with their tartan blankets over their knees, sipping cocoa.

**runs off to bed and avoids all the missiles**

But seriously, I don't think anybody can deny that lessons have been learned, as mentioned on multiple occasions, and the whole saga did blow the lid off Louise and the state she was in, her home, the conditions her cats, her dogs, her horses and her son were living in.
I count that as a positive - if things had gone unnoticed, what would have happened then?

You (anyone!) may find it predictable, but I am not going to doubt the credentials of the vast majority of people on AAD. Especially that one who remembers me being born :p
 
Ravenwood said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if only we all had a cystal ball! And yes, I know of a few people who were uneasy about this. I did voice my concerns later on but was shot down - I raised concerns about keeping three dogs in a flat with a little boy but apparently that was fine and manageable as other people on this forum successfully keep their dog in a flat ;)

This may have been by PM actually (I don't remember) but was told to keep quiet/not talk about it because a court case was ensuing :(



I too asked who had homechecked LL's flat but was told this was a private rehoming - therefore no one.

Again going on hindsight (how marvellous to have that) that at least two people said that LL sounded either drunk or drugged on the phone, she couldn't afford the train fare and yet no alarm bells rang from experienced rehoming people?

She had previously said that she had only just come to this country and that she was in a (council) flat that did not allow animals

Anyway, it seems that thankfully Buster has a happy ending - and thank God for that! I think that Jadey (being very young) did everything she thought was right in the dogs best interests but it does just go to show that the majority of the "in crowd" on AAD are very young and do not have life's experiences despite how they appear to come across.
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Im not sure if im the "in crowd" lol I would doubt it:D
It was Jadey and her mam that said LL sounded drunk and the Carey I think, but that was when Buster was on his way.
I spoke to LL on the phone to discuss Busters behaviour as she sounded fine to me (not drunk/drugged) infact very pleasant, she did sound a little shirty afterwards when I questioned her re animals after the bitches/buster had been taken (still not drunk or drugged)

Im afraid when people decide to rehome dogs privately there is not alot u can do to be honest RW, except try and help out where poss as it's going ahead no matter, like offer a lift to prevent the dog (that had never been for a walk in his life) from taking a long train journey.
I must say I had no clue re LL's state but I did raise concern re the dogs going so far without assessment because of his behaviour, both from what Jadey had described and I whitnessed having him in my home, but LL and Jade where confident he would be fine and maneagable. (our policy is to assess a dog fully) hence why I could not offer rescue back up and I made that clear. I would have worked with him had he have gone to the home I had secured on my doorstep to someone who already has one of our dogs but Jadeys family messed her about and said "no" only to have them change their mind and advertise him "free" on facebook, hence Jadeys concern to get him homed quick, I could have put him back on our website but he needed rehoming asap.
I dont think age has anything to do with it really, dogs are rehomed this way ever day of the week without any previous contact at all, sad but it happens.
The RSPCA actually said the prime advertising sites cause them the most concern because of where the dogs end once the have literally been collected from a home the same day the where advertised and ended up being abused/neglected/dumped.

This is what can happen when people want dogs rehoming yesterday, unfortunatel Jadey thought LL could offer him a good home as she suggested as did a few of us, but ultimately it was a private rehome.

Ps I have to say people do manage fine with dogs in flats/apartments, we dont descriminate as a rescue, but then we would have checked the flat and had a chat in the home (Jadey had not means to do that) unfortunately LL was not like normal responsible people, there are plenty out there, otherwise rescues/gumtree/preloved would never be needed:)
 
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Also to add, as you had concernd "afterwards" re LL, I believe maybe Jadey and her mum/Carey heard the drug like speech "afterwards" just like we all found out "afterwards" to the extent of the horror.


To be fair I can sound drug induced at anyone time esp early morning or late at night when I have taken meds;), I also have 10 dogs and my house ain't huge (infact it's very small), but I can feed/exercise and care for my dogs and know not to keep a banned breed.

*Cayla* runs head on into missiles, I too am a meer bairn CC:D. But as neither you nor I rehomed him I think RW means Jadey;) but has also mentioned she understands that.:)
However I still undertand that concept of private rehomes dont include homechecks:p otherwise gum tree and preloved would have there own team of them:D
In the end Buster did get the best deal bless the hearts of the rest of the animals. I also offered to take buster and my details where kept by the RSPCA should he need to be returned here, I also kept Jadey and her mam informed.
 
Ravenwood said:
Anyway, it seems that thankfully Buster has a happy ending - and thank God for that! I think that Jadey (being very young) did everything she thought was right in the dogs best interests but it does just go to show that the majority of the "in crowd" on AAD are very young and do not have life's experiences despite how they appear to come across.
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It is late and I should have been in bed hours ago.... but I really don't understand who you are talking about :confused:

I don't class myself as being in any form of 'crowd' on here but I am 22 if that helps in any way, shape or form.
 
littlemisslauren said:
It is late and I should have been in bed hours ago.... but I really don't understand who you are talking about :confused:

I don't class myself as being in any form of 'crowd' on here but I am 22 if that helps in any way, shape or form.
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Nope it does not help, it had nowt to do with you missus, and you have no friends never mind a crowd:rolleyes::p so get to bed:p
Plenty of people offered help/lifts/monitery help where of pension age *now CAYLA* runs for her life:eek::rolleyes::D (jokes) :D
 
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