I have a Buser update

I find it ironic now its all gone wrong people jump on the wagon saying i had doubts about this and that and a home check should of been done.

However in the massive post trying to re home him everyone was up for it and wanting C to help as much as possible.

As i said above i knew something was not right once he was ALREADY at his new home and photo where posted.

Not sure if im in the in crowd either ;) as i dont know if im coming or going at the moment but in 29. And C you sound drugged up at any time of the day on meds or off them :) :)
 
I'm not sure if I am included in the "in crowd", if I am it will be the first time I have been "in" in my life. But as CC says I remember her being born so unfortunately don't think I can be counted as a babe.:p
I think when the flat was mentioned I told of the GSD pup I sold to a flat in Hackney some years ago, no pup had a better home. Having had experience of doing home checks I can tell you that it is far more important imo to get the right vibes from the person rather than their home. I recently did a check on someone whose dogs had the run of 100s of acres of arable farm, and his dogs were very happy and well looked after. However, he seemed to me he was on the way to being an animal collector, and he also couldn't read his dogs body language, his 2 males (Rott x and GSD) were not comfy with each other and I reckon he was heading for major aggression issues between them.
So basically my ramble is to say that yes homechecks are a good idea, but it does take more than that and as has been said many times, this was a private rehoming which unfortunately went wrong due to the fact that LL told a pack of lies.
 
The main thing is that the story has a happy ending for Buster. Other than that, many people tried to do their best for the poor dog and got taken for a ride by a woman who obviously has multiple problems. Very unfortunate but you can't control everything in life.

BTW can I be young and in the in crowd please?? Pretty please? I feel very old and broken!
 
Booboos said:
The main thing is that the story has a happy ending for Buster.
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I disagree - that is not the main thing here.

Other than that, many people tried to do their best for the poor dog and got taken for a ride by a woman who obviously has multiple problems. Very unfortunate but you can't control everything in life.
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This is the main thing here.

This dog should never, ever have gone to this woman. Everyone is saying that hindsight is a wonderful thing - but so is experience. And plenty of people who have experience, common sense and intelligence were involved with the re-homing of this dog - private or not.

It leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth, I must say. And I really, really hope that we never read of an incident like this taking place again.

If you have a dog or know of a dog that needs re-homing - get it in to an organisation and get it done professionaly.
 
amymay said:
This dog should never, ever have gone to this woman. Everyone is saying that hindsight is a wonderful thing - but so is experience. And plenty of people who have experience, common sense and intelligence were involved with the re-homing of this dog - private or not.

It leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth, I must say. And I really, really hope that we never read of an incident like this taking place again.

If you have a dog or know of a dog that needs re-homing - get it in to an organisation and get it done professionaly.
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Agree totally with this ^^^^^
 
Agreed! Certainly our Bull Terrier Welfare Trust would NEVER have let the dog go on face value and to a flat,we are extremely picky.That is as it should be,because the ones rehomed from me I know are in fabulous homes and in regular contact. It takes time and resources to do that.
 
EAST KENT said:
Agreed! Certainly our Bull Terrier Welfare Trust would NEVER have let the dog go on face value and to a flat,we are extremely picky.That is as it should be,because the ones rehomed from me I know are in fabulous homes and in regular contact. It takes time and resources to do that.
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This is irrelevant though as Buster was not rehomed through any rescue.
 
Can I please add without getting shot down!
Our Royal Millness was rehomed through this website.
There was no third party. The OP said she needed a home for her and we offered. I went to collect her and took her home.

I know LL was a bad apple, but don't let her spoil the barrel.
Mills has a home for life and I will happily post pics whenever requested to show her care. I'm also open to anyone coming to visit her-can't guarantee that you will escape the mad house though!
I'll also drag her fat arse-too many Sunday roasts and treats, under control now!-to any AAD meet.

Please remember that we are not all Loopies!
I'm also happy to home check any house within a 30mile radius of home if ou need Cayla.
 
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I disagree - that is not the main thing here.



This is the main thing here.

This dog should never, ever have gone to this woman. Everyone is saying that hindsight is a wonderful thing - but so is experience. And plenty of people who have experience, common sense and intelligence were involved with the re-homing of this dog - private or not.

It leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth, I must say. And I really, really hope that we never read of an incident like this taking place again.

If you have a dog or know of a dog that needs re-homing - get it in to an organisation and get it done professionaly.
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AM I will not be offended if you use my name, the only ones involved where Jaydey (who of course was doing what people do when they pass a dog on)
LL (who took the dogs on)
Me (who transported him to prevent him having to go on a train)
BrownMare (who transported him from me to LL)
Nobody else was involved:confused:
Plenty of animals on websites inc this one are passed from person to person with no back up!, this one happened to turn out wrong (it happens).
Buster was not starved he was removed because he was in a home with 2 dogs who where a banned breed who "did not recieve an adequate diet" because LL kept them shut in (because the where a banned breed and she was trying to keep them from sight because ee brows had been raised) unlike buster who she could take out.

As to the "organisations" you speak off (the are at capacity) the don't take dogs on unless there are situation like LL's, Had Jadey rang the RSPCA to report her cousin beating the dog. They would have called, seen he was weighty, seen food and left. All local shelters would have refused him (he is in my area) no shelter here will take staffi x in at the drop of a hat (with behavioural issues to boot), they have no space they are crammed to the hilt!! and he was not a dog easily placed in a home for foster even (or plenty would have come forward an offered, there are plenty of dogless homes on here)
We have no space now, when askedy we get the dog in and neuter it and ask them to be patient (guess what) the get rid to the first that will take it, is that our fault or the fault of the other rescues that had no space either?
I guess it must be.

The pound would be the last resort (you have to pay to place them there) and this would rarely include a staff type as the are alreay destroying them daily through sheer numbers, and people like LL can walk right in and take them out, no check, no neuter, no nothing.

I offered to take the dog and rehome him (not sure what part of that folk don't understand) he would have been chipped and backed up, and on the doorstep "THE FAMILY CHANGED THEIR MIND" he was then placed on "facebook" for rehoming! Jade was worried where he would end up, so tried a "dog forum" thinking (like you would) someone on there may beable to offer a home because she could not take the dog herdself!
I WOULD/COULD not rehome a dog that far without assessing and working on it's behaviour which I would have done had he went to the home I had secured, so me rehoming him was out of the question.
I knew little about LL I never go in the horsey section) which she resided in most (It was between Jadey/her family and LL in regard to his actual rehome)
I did knoe she has horses in livery in London, 2 dogs, a cat and lived in a falt and thought she worked "hence pay day", other than that I knew little other than what she posted, had I have rehomed a dog to her I would certainly would have looked more into it, he would also have been chipped to me, so when he was removed from the home I would have been called.

All the dogs I have rehomed here are fully backed up, chipped and I conversed with the owners over a long period, all dogs are fine all update, as do all the other dogs I have rehomed far away. I simply cannot do this for people who want to rehome their dogs privately. (and the do have a right to do this)

Nobody will ever be happy with any given scenario ;)

People are bad for rehoming dogs
People should rehome if they cannot keep a dog
Rescues are bad for cramming to many dogs in (the may aswell be pts)
Rescues never take dogs they are rubbish
Rescues never rehome to anyone, no wonder people buy dogs
Rescues should rehome to folk in flats
That rescue should never have sent that dog there.
Pounds should never let dogs go the way they do
The RSPCA are rubbish, the take dogs will nilly with no cause
The RSPCA are heroes they do a great job
Rescues wont rehome to far
Rescues should never rehome that far
Rescue dogs should be PTS
Rescue dogd should not be PTS

*The dogs needs to be out of that home he cannot be left to be beaten
*The dog needs a new home
*LL can offer him a home, get him out of their Jadey
*keep him yourself Jadey
*Ask ou family to wait Jadey
*Ask CAYLA to rehome him Jadey.
"You should never have given him to LL Jadey/all others

Whats it to be then????

Sound familiar?
 
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WoopsiiD said:
Can I please add without getting shot down!
Our Royal Millness was rehomed through this website.
There was no third party. The OP said she needed a home for her and we offered. I went to collect her and took her home.

I know LL was a bad apple, but don't let her spoil the barrel.
Mills has a home for life and I will happily post pics whenever requested to show her care. I'm also open to anyone coming to visit her-can't guarantee that you will escape the mad house though!
I'll also drag her fat arse-too many Sunday roasts and treats, under control now!-to any AAD meet.

Please remember that we are not all Loopies!
I'm also happy to home check any house within a 30mile radius of home if ou need Cayla.
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Woopsi u alwas make me smile:D
Lol at the Loopies:D
 
MurphysMinder said:
I'm not sure if I am included in the "in crowd", if I am it will be the first time I have been "in" in my life. But as CC says I remember her being born so unfortunately don't think I can be counted as a babe.:p
I think when the flat was mentioned I told of the GSD pup I sold to a flat in Hackney some years ago, no pup had a better home. Having had experience of doing home checks I can tell you that it is far more important imo to get the right vibes from the person rather than their home. I recently did a check on someone whose dogs had the run of 100s of acres of arable farm, and his dogs were very happy and well looked after. However, he seemed to me he was on the way to being an animal collector, and he also couldn't read his dogs body language, his 2 males (Rott x and GSD) were not comfy with each other and I reckon he was heading for major aggression issues between them.
So basically my ramble is to say that yes homechecks are a good idea, but it does take more than that and as has been said many times, this was a private rehoming which unfortunately went wrong due to the fact that LL told a pack of lies.
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I'm glad to hear that. I must stick up for people with dogs in flats. Okay, maybe something like a Border Collie would be a bad choice for apartment living, but my two thrive in their home. I honestly don't see the difference between my flat and the average suburban home, where most dogs are inside anyway. The pug had the freedom to roam around a one-acre garden all day at his last home, and he was morbidly obese. As long as you provide ample exercise elsewhere, having a garden isn't the most important thing for a dog's welfare.
 
CAYLA said:
Woopsi u alwas make me smile:D
Lol at the Loopies:D
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Good! :p

With all you do, you deserve a smile at the very least!

On the home visit front-anyone watch Father Ted?
The tea lady is my Dad!...Would you like a sandwich? AhhhhGwon, Gwon, gwon, gwon, gwon....' and then he wonders why the whole family...well me, OH, Bubs and Millie look like weebles!
 
WoopsiiD said:
Good! :p

With all you do, you deserve a smile at the very least!

On the home visit front-anyone watch Father Ted?
The tea lady is my Dad!...Would you like a sandwich? AhhhhGwon, Gwon, gwon, gwon, gwon....' and then he wonders why the whole family...well me, OH, Bubs and Millie look like weebles!
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LMFAO, I have a clear picture now:D:D
 
It seems to me this post has been hijacked by people who are pointing fingers.

Lessons have been learned and to continue to point fingers is not fair and is making people feel uncomfortable. No one should have to constantly justify themselves.

I think people need to move on.
 
amymay said:
If you have a dog or know of a dog that needs re-homing - get it in to an organisation and get it done professionaly.
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I'm not going to get involved in something I've only watched from a distance because I wasn't there so I won't comment on LL and think it is time to move on from that. What I do want to say though is that there are also organisations that I wouldn't trust to rehome my dogs so I think we need to take care in advising people to give a dog to any organisation to rehome because they are the professionals. In my mind as much care needs to be taken in choosing an organisation to rehome an animal as it does to do it privately.
 
Indeed Dobiegirl.
Cayla has dedicated her life to rescuing and rehoming dogs.
She is at the coal face.
She, Brownmare, J&L, have nothing to be ashamed of.

Amymay, some of the 'organisations' you talk of, won't rehome to people who work, have their place like Fort Knox, who might *gasp* keep the dog outside, or who might use something nasty like a choke chain.
Some of these organisations also see nothing wrong with allowing dogs, many of them with issues when they come in, many who then develop issues through kennel fatigue, to languish for YEARS in the same kennel they baulk at if it were in a back garden, bashing themselves against a wall or looking forward to the day when a well-meaning volunteer takes them for a dawdle along a dual carriageway.

Take a walk around your local rescue kennels, if you like what you see, I'd be surprised.
I know what kind of rescue I'd rather support. Home to home is VASTLY preferable to yanking a dog from a home and wanging it in a very stressful kennel environment.
 
Well now. I hope people don't think I was finger pointing.

There is a wider issue here, to do with rehoming generally. Now I would much rather see it done either via the professional rescues (and I hope I don't have to tell you, Cayla, that in my book that's totally what you are) or via personal knowledge of the rehomer - family to family or friend to friend. I am a bit uncomfortable with the entire internet rehoming thing, be that Gumtree, Preloved or all the rest of it, and while I know people may get dogs from there and be totally trustworthy (such as Blackcob and Dax, for example) the fact is that there is no way to know and I do think the person looking to shift the animal on needs to step up to the plate and take responsibility.

That said, I totally appreciate that this was a difficult situation, where the owners of the dog had effectively abdicated responsibility and that therefore JadeyyandLadyy did what she felt was best. At the end of the day, the only people who have truly acted badly are the dog's original owners (who were not J&L) and LoopyLouise.

As to why I didn't say anything - well, for one I couldn't pin down exactly why I was uncomfortable with this particular situation, and for another the wheels were very much already in motion by the time I saw the posts anyway. And frankly, I doubted myself and thought that perhaps I was being a snob and misjudging someone. With the benefit of hindsight I can see I was right to have misgivings, but I really don't know why I felt as I did at the time.
 
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Home to home is VASTLY preferable to yanking a dog from a home and wanging it in a very stressful kennel environment.
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Couldn't agree more, doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken though. And if they had been in this case this particular dog wouldn't have ended up in this situation.

For the poster who is saying those involved shouldn't have to justify themselves - you are absolutely right. Everyone's heart was in the right place, however misplaced in this instance. And the affirmation of what Cayla does through her rescue is rightly justified.

However the back patting going on is syncophatic and it would be much more appropriate for people to actually be honest about what happened here and what a monumental cock up it was.

What a relief the outcome seems positive, and no end was met with a needle for this young dog.
 
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Call me a sycophant if you want, I will never stop patting Cayla on the back for what she does.
I wish there were more like her, instead of keyboard warriors.
One unfortunate incident which I think all parties have admitted was a cock-up, and which was nothing to do with Cayla's day to day business, she merely transported him, should not be allowed to tarnish the good work that Cayla and many other people do day in, day out and the many successful rescues which have taken place via this forum.
I can't read anywhere where people said it WASN'T a mistake?!
 
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amymay said:
Couldn't agree more, doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken though. And if they had been in this case this particular dog wouldn't have ended up in this situation.

For the poster who is saying those involved shouldn't have to justify themselves - you are absolutely right. Everyone's heart was in the right place, however misplaced in this instance. And the affirmation of what Cayla does through her rescue is rightly justified.

However the back patting going on is syncophatic and it would be much more appropriate for people to actually be honest about what happened here and what a monumental cock up it was.

What a relief the outcome seems positive, and no end was met with a needle for this young dog.
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I have indeed stated that "lessons have to be learnt"/I have learnt a lesson. (Never get involved with a private rehome ever even if it is just a lift), this will include dogs with behavioural issues taken on via other rescue forums which would otherwise be dead by now inc the akita x shephered, shaun the DDB x, Marley the collie X and Katey the collie and numerous staffs (all taken on by me) who for all the people knew I could have been providing the local chinese with food:rolleyes:. So sadly that includes no help from me in regard to rehoming anthing via the forum or rehoming of dogs via the forum.

Sad really because like so many have said it's not right to feel this way over one incident and let so many more suffer because I will/others will now not help, but thats how I feel.

I will also remove the ADNE sticky because its not fair to ask people to help raise money for the rehoming (I know I whinge and dont agree whenever someone wanted to give out ) but so:p Sorry MM:o
Because I cannot do the above then deny the self and same people a dog when they ask me because they live to far or could be an animal hoarding fruit loop.
I will keep encouraging people to enter the calender comp because Galupy has worked her butt off for that and I can never thank her enough.
I will also keep the website running, because Pix also pulled through on that one and I can also never thank her for everthing and all her her work and I hope she will still ne email queen and handle the enquiries still;):D.
I will of course be showing the doggy room in progress (when me back is fixed)


Is this more what people wanted to hear?
To add I kept tabs on that dog and knew exactly what was happening with him from the day he was taken from LL plus some (which I will not disclose on an open forum) I could humanly do no more.

I did feel bad AmyMay believe me. BrownMare also felt horrid and all we did was transport a dog in all this madness.
 
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Well, I for one will continue to shop via easyfundraising and Cayla if whsmith webby wasn't being a shite you would have had more pennies tonight-I tried to buy 2 re-released Jill books!
I will also go and do home visits for you if you need them doing-just give me the check list.
Infact...anything you need give me a shout-as long as its not PC related then you should be ok....
 
Cayla if you do that it will be a slap in the face to those on here who have supported you all the way through, never mind anyone being slapped on the back.:( I do understand how you must be feeling but just take a little time to think about things before you act please. I did actually see another puppy guide on its way and did wonder about suggesting a donation but thought you might shout at me!:p
 
Don`t think I was pointing fingers,being "at the coal face" myself I am well aware of the problems. Our Bull Terrier Welfare was the FIRST breed club rescue scheme in UK,and over the many years from ,I think,1965, we have evolved a near perfect way of doing things,it takes resources,dog accommadation,and loads of workers.
No one is to blame for the cock up,all meant well, but cock up it turned out to be. If the dog is now in a decent home ,then eventually a result was obtained. Next time it will be perfect,and hopefully all of you who helped will still be game to give it a go again.
By the way, never expect any pats on the back,they don`t come..just get on with it.
 
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This is getting really out of hand now and someone that works her arse off is getting all the blame.

Far too many people jump on the wagon and start blaming people and they have no idea on about the situation.

C has worked and stressed her arse off over buster and at the end of the day she was only helping other out with transport, he never went through the AAD charity he was no way link to C she just help like im sure alot of people on here has done in the past.
 
EAST KENT said:
Don`t think I was pointing fingers,being "at the coal face" myself I am well aware of the problems. Our Bull Terrier Welfare was the FIRST breed club rescue scheme in UK,and over the many years from ,I think,1965, we have evolved a near perfect way of doing things,it takes resources,dog accommadation,and loads of workers.
No one is to blame for the cock up,all meant well, but cock up it turned out to be. If the dog is now in a decent home ,then eventually a result was obtained. Next time it will be perfect,and hopefully all of you who helped will still be game to give it a go again.
By the way, never expect any pats on the back,they don`t come..just get on with it.
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When I said:
"One unfortunate incident...should not be allowed to tarnish the good work that Cayla and many other people do day in, day out"
I was actually thinking of you and several other people who use this board. If you want me to name everyone, we could be here a while :)
And have a pat on the back. Or a friendly punch on the arm :p
 
To be fair, if someone had not stepped in when they did what are the chances that this poor dog would still be alive anyway?
From what I recall he was in a precarious situation to begin with?

It never surprises me just how many perfect people there are on this forum!
 
MurphysMinder said:
Cayla if you do that it will be a slap in the face to those on here who have supported you all the way through, never mind anyone being slapped on the back.:( I do understand how you must be feeling but just take a little time to think about things before you act please. I did actually see another puppy guide on its way and did wonder about suggesting a donation but thought you might shout at me!:p
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Lol MM, I have had 5 Pm's today for puppy guides and each and ever time I pressed send I thought of you:D:D

C, don't worry re me thinking people think bad of me (you know me well) I may be young but Im a big girl and I can more than fight my corner and I dont have anthing to prove but did in all honesty have thoughts re the rehoming and the forum, and I would never ever think anyone would think our rescue would be anway involved with acts of cruelty and im proud of our little rescue/little big rescue:D we have to many dogs to be a little one.
I have seen cruelty some would weep at (brought right to my door) LL's case was nothing in comparison. Still does not make any more bearable than the next.

Im not removing the post because I feel I have done anything wrong it's going because its wrong to refuse rehoming via the site when its folk on the site helping lol:p
 
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