i jus cant see how people can do it

[Hercules]

''please stop being so aggressive''

Stop crying. I am not being aggressive, it's you being pathetic.

 

[Doreys_Mum]

''the fox is a member of the canidae or canine family. during a fox-hunt people use canines to chase and kill other canines.''

Fish kill other fish, birds of prey kill other birds, and humans kill other humans. What is your point?

Actually, I think most foxes are classfied as Vulpine.

Different family.

 

[Sooty]

A vet once told me that foxes have more feline characteristics (physically) than canine; if you keep one domestically it has cat injections.

 

[suestowford]

Am I the only one wondering how it was injured? Not by gunshot I hope..............

You are not the only one wondering. I reckon it probably had been shot. Mostly a fox that's encountered a pack of hounds would be dead, not injured. Shooting can be very poorly done.

 

[Doreys_Mum]

Families are funny things... apparently badgers are more closely related to weasles than anything else..

But as a rule of thumb, can you breed it. Dogs CAN breed with wolves, domestic cats CAN breed with some wild cats (others it's just laudable... a tiger and the local tom?) - so they're the same sort of family.

Dogs and foxes? Cats and foxes? Nu-uh, not related, not even close.

So using dogs to hunt wolves you could raise an eyebrow at... would they kill or fornicate with their prey... but dogs and foxes is about as close as dogs and birds...

 

[Hippy]

Stop crying. I am not being aggressive, it's you being pathetic.

play fair or don't play at all. disagree with me by all means but don't put other people off from contributing to this forum by your ungentlemanly behaviour.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Would you like to try hunting deer, hippy?

 

[Hippy]

i don't like violence

 

[Hippy]

''the fox is a member of the canidae or canine family. during a fox-hunt people use canines to chase and kill other canines.''

Fish kill other fish, birds of prey kill other birds, and humans kill other humans. What is your point?

Actually, I think most foxes are classfied as Vulpine.

Different family.

if i can remember from school the classification order is family-genus-species. foxes belong to the vulpes genus. the red fox is one species within this genus. but foxes and a number of other 'genera' (hunting animals such as wolves, jackals, dogs, coyotes etc) belong to the canidae family. same family.

 

[Hercules]

Hippy,

Congratulations on mastering Wikipedia, however what relevance has your original point got in relation to foxhunting?
A short answer without tears would be very welcome.

Thankyou.

 

[Hippy]

you can get to a destination by the motorway or by a more scenic route. i think a diversion is well worth taking if it's more pleasant.

 

[combat_claire]

Did you stop to wonder how it had been injured and left to die slowly? I would hazard a guess that it might have been a victim of the so called humane methods which are to be used post-ban. Hunting wouldn't have left this fox injured and alive. It would have been a kill or a clean escape.

 

[Hippy]

It would have been a kill or a clean escape.

not really. i don't consider a kill at the end of a substantial chase 'clean'. nor do i think what happens to a fox when it's dug out is particularly persil-white.

 

[Sooty]

Digging out is another unclear area. I always used to think that once a fox had gone to ground it seemed only fair to leave him there. Now we are told that the poor fox will freeze to death as he will be all hot and bothered from the running, and get chilled. I am not convinced...

 

[combat_claire]

I used Richard Course's definition of a clean kill when I made that statement. I was thus meaning that a clean kill meant no wounding or long term harm to any fox which subsequently got away. I do not believe the myth of a chilled fox, dying after the chase having gone to ground.

Surely in offering a pre-ban pest control service the way that the fate of a fox gone to ground was left to the landowner to decide was the fairest decision. Remember that the photos of 'terrierwork' available on the net do not fairly represent the regulated world of pre-ban MFHA licensed terriermen, who have a strict code that had to be abided by. There is of course now, no terrier work unless protecting game birds (a species obviously considered more important than a sheep flock..but then what in the Hunting Act ever made sense?)