I just got kicked off my yard today

New girl says "He's upset because he knows yours is out". I say "it's dark, he can't see him". She says "yes but he knows he's out there and it's upsetting him". To which I cannot help but reply "for god's sake!".
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In this case I'd say she is right - horses can see much better in the dark than we can and he probably did know that yours was out. I know lots of horses that go a bit mental if they are left in when others are out.
 
Teabagsmum, I have a warmblood who also behaves like this as she is VERY insecure. If I caught you "battering manners in to her" I think you wouldn't be walking. She does all the behaviour you've described when unsettled and would also be making a fuss about new horses, however given a couple of weeks she'll be settled. I think you should have given this one a bit more of a chance, horses will be horses after all and soon sort it out with each other.
 
teebagsmum said:
Well I've had just about enough now. And you haven't seen it and I have. And it does need a good smack.

And I really don't care if I am the type of livery you hate and would be glad that I'm leaving your yard.

Obviously I didn't mean batter batter it - just a figure of speech. But it does need to have some manners. It is too big to be behaving like this. And "Oooh, stop it you naughty boy" just isn't working.

I know I shouldn't have banged the door with the broom but I've had enough.

I have just put mine out and came back to find new horse has bust out his stable. Again. Tried to catch him and he was fine until I got him near his stable and then he ran round me in circles and wouldn't go in, so I let him go. He then put his ears back as I walked by him to go out the gate and get in my car to leave.

It's all very easy to come out with comments like the 2 above when you are not having to deal with the situation.

And how he behaves does affect me, actually. Because he is so spoilt and aggressive, I am having to get up at 5am to turn my horse out in my friend's paddock so he can have 3 hours turn out before being confined to barracks for the day at 9am when she puts her horse out. And, incidentally, nice, judgemental 2 above - the field has been split into 2 because when I arrived on the yard, my friend's horse attacked mine and bit his face almost down to the bone and now he is scarred.

You are not having to deal with this situation and I am, so go boil your head.
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No, I won't go boil my head. You need to think about what you are writing before you say it. I don't care what you say, your obvious attitude towards a strange horse stinks. And before you start yelling im living in fluffy kitten land, just remind yourself that you have no idea who I am, how I deal with my horses etc etc etc....

I suggest you step back and think a bit. But then, don't bother, seeing as you are leaving anyway....
 
I find it sad that it is so easy to apply the label 'spoilt and aggressive' and talk of battering some manners into it and totally failing to see the scared and worried horse beneath the surface. Aggression is so often borne out of fear and this horse needs calmness and confidence to reassure him, not some idiot battering him.

OTOH it is also fair to say that human aggression (battering and smacking and shouting) is also borne out of fear.. Maybe that's a large part of the perceived problem.
 
You're best out of it. Best all round by the sound of it.
The new horse is suffering from separation anxiety, and yes his behaviour is not good, but if you bear in mind that it stems from fear and anxiety then maybe you'll understand it better. He'll also be aware that the old pony died. Is he now being left in the stables alone while your horse is out? If he is, then that's something a lot of horses would struggle with.
 
I've just read all the post's and thought at 1st...sounds odd?.....but then reading further on and your 'updated' posts OMG I am truely appalled that you would even suggest such a thing even if matter of speech to 'batter it into him' the new one sensed your's was out in field and if it doesn't like being alone then it will kick up a fuss, but it's best to talk calmly to it rather than bang door back and be all bargy back this will only stir horse up more..

Horse's get very stressed from moving etc new friends and routines smells etc......
you said the horse got out of stable....your tried putting it back but it refused and you let it go again, so i assume the horse was then roaming the yard?? and you didn't think to advise YO or owner?...

Good luck in finding your new yard too
oh and hope that your horse's face heals up soon
 
I'm really shocked at your attitude OP.

You sound like a hysterical, spoilt child.

You battered the stable door with a broom in the hope that that would calm the horse down??? Do you have horse management skills at all??

Regardless of whether this horse is badly behaved or not - moving yards can be very, very stressful for some. That coupled with the fact that your horse (presumably its stable mate) was turned out leaving him in - probably made the situation ten times worse. Try thinking about the bigger picture - not the narrow little one in front of you.

Why not apply some of your 'attitude' to actually helping the owner? Yes, perhaps they are timid, but instead of making disparaging remarks about them - why not offer a hand.

It's post like these that make me thank God that I have only ever been on professional yards, where behaviour like yours is simply not tollerated!
 
sorry OP but you do sound like a livery who thinks that everything is solved by hitting a horse, it is people like you that cause horses to be headshy and the like, maybe if you put your energy into helping the new owner when you saw them, rather than threatening to "batter" the horse then you may get somewhere, also its a public forum where you dont know who you are talking to, there is no need to be so damned rude, you were the one who came here for advice so heres some from me, go home and learn some manners!
 
Your first post describes what will be pretty obvious if you turn horses straight out together. They will probably react a bit, kick out at each other etc. Then, instead of letting them sort it out and settle, the owners understandably split them up again. This could all have been avoided by doing a proper introduction with them in adjoining paddocks for a while.
Having been through this stressful time, and the move, the new horse is now being left in a stable while his new companion (even if they don't share a field, it's his companion) gets turned out. In addition to that, a horse has just died on the yard. He stresses, as many horses would. He might be used to a routine where all the horses go out and come in together, he may be used to being turned out with others. Added to that, a young woman is banging and slamming around, probably shouting a bit, but definitely bashing on his door with a broom. This solves the problem for a while, because it scares him away from the door.
I think your focussing your anger on the new livery and her horse, which is wrong.
 
DragonSlayer said:
I think I'd be glad you were leaving my yard as well!

Is this really how you would deal with a horse that has arrived at a new place, unsure, completey different routine etc etc?

Can't believe I read that........
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Agreed. If that was my horse and I found some other livery trying to "teach him a lesson" they'd be coughing up teeth for weeks.

Sounds like you both had a lucky escape TBH...
 
I feel some sympathy for the OP. She's had her horse arrangements turned upside down in a couple of days.

There's no way I would entertain a 17hh bargy horse bwing turned out with mine unless there was a period of weeks for them to become accostomed to each other, let alone querying issues like worming routines.
I would be pretty hysterical if this were threatened.
I would resent bitterly a new horse basically being allowed turn out and having to keep mine stabled most of the time.
I would get extremely irritated by horse kicking the ***** out of it's surroundings and breaking out of it's stable - especially if I were the only person on the yard and were having to try and do my horse to the accompaniment of something door kicking relentlessly and breaking out of it's stable.
I would frankly not be overly interested in being a good neighbour/livery if this were all going in and I had to find a new yard.

In your place OP I would probs be short tempered and shoot off nasty comments about the horse. I might be sympathetic to the new owner, but tough really, she owns the bloody thing.

I would certainly be looking to move asap and let them stew in their own mess. All very avoidable with a little communication, planning and horse sense, but it does sound like a slightly strange set up to begin with.
 
siennamum said:
I feel some sympathy for the OP. She's had her horse arrangements turned upside down in a couple of days.

There's no way I would entertain a 17hh bargy horse bwing turned out with mine unless there was a period of weeks for them to become accostomed to each other, let alone querying issues like worming routines.
I would be pretty hysterical if this were threatened.
I would resent bitterly a new horse basically being allowed turn out and having to keep mine stabled most of the time.
I would get extremely irritated by horse kicking the ***** out of it's surroundings and breaking out of it's stable - especially if I were the only person on the yard and were having to try and do my horse to the accompaniment of something door kicking relentlessly and breaking out of it's stable.
I would frankly not be overly interested in being a good neighbour/livery if this were all going in and I had to find a new yard.

In your place OP I would probs be short tempered and shoot off nasty comments about the horse. I might be sympathetic to the new owner, but tough really, she owns the bloody thing.

I would certainly be looking to move asap and let them stew in their own mess. All very avoidable with a little communication, planning and horse sense, but it does sound like a slightly strange set up to begin with.
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I agree entirely. OP's horse is having to stay in all day so new horse can go out. She should be allowed to turn hers out after dark if she blooming well wants.

If the new one is so unsettled by moving it's owner should be there to keep an eye on the bleeding thing.
 
Kitsune said:
Agreed. If that was my horse and I found some other livery trying to "teach him a lesson" they'd be coughing up teeth for weeks.
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Wouldn't be awake to be coughing up teeth if it were my horses!

It's because of people like you OP that my horse is now afraid of whips and runs from the stable door if you approach it too quickly!
 
boogles said:
Wouldn't be awake to be coughing up teeth if it were my horses!

It's because of people like you OP that my horse is now afraid of whips and runs from the stable door if you approach it too quickly!
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What a ridiculous thing to write. The OP banged the stable door with a broom. The horse was kicking the door and repeatedly breaks out of it's stable. How does this compare to your horse in any way.........

She explained that the "batter it" comment was a figure of speech & is frustrated & upset, that doesn't make her spawn of the devil.

I think this is becoming a bit farcical.
 
OP, I think the sooner you're out of there, the better, and that having nothing at all to do with the new horse (whose bad manners are really not your problem) would be a good idea. If it is a thug, it's for the owner to sort it out. If it's playing up because it's insecure, ditto. Ignore it, not your horse or your problem.
Hope you get on well at potential new yard, and manage to leave present yard on good terms... burning bridges is never a good idea...
I think you're absolutely right to insist that your horse and the new horse aren't turned out together though, as a broken leg might well ensue.
 
A frightened horse is very unlikely to respond favourably to any kind of extra outside stimulus I wouldn't have thought...just throw that idea out there...
 
siennamum said:
What a ridiculous thing to write. The OP banged the stable door with a broom. The horse was kicking the door and repeatedly breaks out of it's stable. How does this compare to your horse in any way.........

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I have had someone repeatedly bang the stable door in an agressive manner with a whip and now as I stated my horse is petrified of them!


I do not appreciate individuals taking it upon themselves to discipline other peoples horses, We have a horse where I am that barges out of the door....so do we have a go at its door with a broom ? NO we catch it and put it back away OR call the owner.
 
And to think so much of this could have been so easily solved with a pack of electric fence posts, some tape and an energiser. Why don't people just get on and deal with things rather than leaping up and down and shouting their mouths off?
 
Horses and Ponies should have manners and the bigger the horse the more manners it should have.

After having and working with horses for many many years I have taken in horses that have no manners at all.I will not have any horse walk all over me or dismantle my stables or fences.

As for a horse settling down yes maybe they do need some time, but what about the horses that compete and stay away for a number of days. The Race horses that travel stay away and still compete. My own competition horses travel and stay away over night staying in strange fields and stables and they cope.

If the person can not control and handle this big 17hh horse then she should not have it.

As for the OP the change in the YO may or may not be able to be dealt with and as she is unhappy the she should move.

I do say that she should not try and deal with this new horse. It is not her business.
 
I can see both sides here having just moved yards.
Still same YO but different (very much smaller) yard not far from the other one.
My mare was extremely agitated and upset the first week but you have to try to think like the horse and realise the reasons for the upset and above all have loads and loads of patience. 2 weeks on she is so chilled it's great.
Friend's horse also came across to new yard with us and he is having serious separation anxiety problems. He has lost loads of weight and is a real stress head. We do however realise that he will eventually calm down once he gets into the new routine and just tend to ignore him when he bashes the stable door (even though its so frustrating sometimes). Owner is also introducing a calming supplement to try and help the process.
Can understand why OP is stressed and frustrated having experienced this problem with new horses at the YO's other yard. My daughter's Fjord was kicked till he was lame by a new horse and we had to keep him out of the field. Luckily we were in a position where we could rent a famer's field near the yard so could still turn him out even though it cost us more money. No-one wants their horse injured and unfortunately there are some horses in the horse world who are the equivalent of bullies. Also horses need to establish a pecking order in the herd but this is normally sorted very quickly, with lots of squeals and positioning but usually without much actual physical aggression. Know you have been asked to leave but can you not suggest the option of trying them in paddocks side by side so they can get used to each other before turning them out together. That way you are showing that you are willing to work towards a compromise and you may be allowed to stay (if you stiil want to).
The new owner is also probably stressed to hell as this is not how you would want to start off at a new yard. this in turn will affect her horse as they pick up on this very easily. Her and her horse will not be familiar with the routines or the people or the horses and would probably be very grateful of any help or advise.
 
boogles said:
I do not appreciate individuals taking it upon themselves to discipline other peoples horses, We have a horse where I am that barges out of the door....so do we have a go at its door with a broom ? NO we catch it and put it back away OR call the owner.
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^^ this^^
On two different yards I have found my horse to become headshy. First y/o was smacking him for eating his hay over the door and dropping hay on the yard, didn't like a mess :eek: ok but haynet was at the back of his stable, he just used to grab a mouthful and stick his head out to see what was going on poor fella.

Second yard I found out that the y/m used to tie her horse up outside my horses stable and smack him when he put his head out to say hello to her horse :mad::mad:

Jeeze you need to treat horses like horses.

So glad I now have my own yard and don't have to put up with anyone else now.

OP, think you will be better off out of there for your horses sake.

As for the new horse, it's not his fault no-one has managed the situation correctly. Some thought should of been given to the t/o and that is your y/m fault.
 
I think another poster is right, this op is clearly afraid of the new horse, referring to it as 'huge' (17hh is quite a common size and not that big..) now that I look back.
I cannot believe someone would leave a horse wandering loose, unless perhaps you rang the YO/horse owner to let them know?
Ah, so you're one of those owners who believes it is always your horse who is blamefree (since the new horse and your friends horse both 'attacked' it...)
You wouldn't be welcome on any yard of mine with your attitude! I suggest you look after your horse and ignore the others, it is none of your business whether it needs a good slap. And it's not the horses fault you have to get up at 5am-that's a management issue.. Why not leave yours out overnight?
 
I have to say even at 15hh, the horse is much bigger and stronger than you so doesn't make any difference imo that extra 2hands. But this shouldn't bother the OP in any case-she should not be dealing with the horse unless she is competent to do so.. Which she is evidently not.
 
I do agree with the OP in some respects. You are better off out of there with a crazy YO like that! At the end of the day you are a customer to him and he should never have spoken to you like that or behaved in that way! However I hope the current liveries at your new stables don't react to your horse in the way you have the new one... I can't imagine she will be very impressed if she finds out. It can be a very stressfull time for both horse and owner moving yards so she may not be timid and inexperienced but just shy. Maybe you could all sit down and discuss a routine?
 
Look on the bright side - what if you hadn't been there and your horse had just been turned out?

Crikey, our YO is almost at the other end of the extreme. Absolutely nothing goes out in company for the first 2 - 4 weeks. Any sign of being an idiot and it will stay solo and when they do go out, its only in pairs (or very very occasionally 3). New grass liveries coming in have to have their back shoes removed as well before going out to avoid issues - shoes go back on once the pecking order is established.
 
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