I really hope this is a scam, but......
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Met a lady yesterday with a Yorkie, who she bought at 6 WEEKS old, breeder then upped the price from that advertised when she went to collect. Wait for the deluge of unwanted dogs in the Spring, we've still got the Christmas purchases to come even without the lockdown animals.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Glad you posted this, as I was about to do the same. I think it’s legit.
Please sign everyone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2...OerTgeJeiVqb2chlVxyPNdFBrHt59DrE06qxaR5CkF-5A
Please sign everyone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2...OerTgeJeiVqb2chlVxyPNdFBrHt59DrE06qxaR5CkF-5A
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Oh good grief I hadn’t seen that bit - thanks for sharing AmyMay - what on earth are they thinking??!!! ????
FestiveG
Over the hill and far awa
Signed! What on earth are the BBC thinking of! Talk about lowest common denominator!
AmyMay
Situation normal
It’s beyond any sensible person’s understandin, that’s for sure ?
smolmaus
Well-Known Member
I suppose it's possible that the answer to the question is a resounding NO, but probably too much to hope for.
Even if they do this responsibly and make it clear that ethical, responsible breeding a) makes no money and b) usually means NOT breeding some people will still take it as an idea for a money spinner and use the info from the show to make themselves look ethical when they're anything but. AHH.
Even if they do this responsibly and make it clear that ethical, responsible breeding a) makes no money and b) usually means NOT breeding some people will still take it as an idea for a money spinner and use the info from the show to make themselves look ethical when they're anything but. AHH.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Can those of you that do sign please also share it on FB? Xx
FestiveG
Over the hill and far awa
Good point
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
Who on earth thought that was a good idea? Some of the daytime/reality programmes that he BBC put out make me wonder what their intention was (amongst other things like who does the scheduling?) but this looks as if it will hit a new low.
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
Signed.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
How can you tell if the program idea truly is the way it is described by this person? As it says in the petition "we don’t know what kind of angle it’s going to portray".
A program with "Emphasis on that puppies is for life, not just lockdown", sounds like it at least have the possibility to become a good idea, to me. Hypothetically, if the program actually ends up showing that responsible dog breeding isn't an easy way to get rich, that most persons they filmed/intend to film didn't/won't get rich on it, then that sounds quite okay to me.
I'm not so keen on designer dog breeds, but if there is is going to be dogs to buy or adopt in the future, someone has breed some litters. If people can get an insight in what it takes to be a responsible dog breeder, then that doesn't seem like a too bad idea to me either.
Basically, the only thing I'm certain about is that I think it sounds like a crap title for a TV program, but that is not enough to make me sign a petition.
deb_l222
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It's a terrible title for a TV programme I'll agree with that but, as the petition starter has admitted, they have no idea what angle the actual programme is going to take. If it actually portrays puppy farming and 'greeders' in a bad light, then absolutely it should go ahead and not just on BBC3 where no-one will watch it.
In answer to the question "will my puppies make me rich"? Yes, of course they will...............if you find a gap in the market, have enough bitches, don't look after them appropriately and find people daft enough to pay overinflated prices. That's just a fact of life and no amount of petitions will stop this sadly. The only way to stop this is for people to stop buying but the lure of a cute puppy never dies no matter how expensive it would seem
My 'favourite' puppy farmer near me has inflated her prices from £1250 for a springer / sprocker / cocker / cockerpoo puppy to £2500 and they're flying off the shelves so to speak. "Supply and demand daaaaarrrling, supply and demand". What people don't know, when they come to pick up their pup is 'mum and dad' are stooge house dogs and real mum and dad are in cages in the garage. She will quite freely brag that people are that thick they don't notice (or don't care) that they're picking up a cockerpoo puppy but the 'mum and dad' they've been introduced to are both springer spaniels!!
A programme like this won't suddenly make everyone rush out and start breeding puppies and if it highlights the plight of puppy farmed dogs, then I say, let it be shown..........many times.
In answer to the question "will my puppies make me rich"? Yes, of course they will...............if you find a gap in the market, have enough bitches, don't look after them appropriately and find people daft enough to pay overinflated prices. That's just a fact of life and no amount of petitions will stop this sadly. The only way to stop this is for people to stop buying but the lure of a cute puppy never dies no matter how expensive it would seem
My 'favourite' puppy farmer near me has inflated her prices from £1250 for a springer / sprocker / cocker / cockerpoo puppy to £2500 and they're flying off the shelves so to speak. "Supply and demand daaaaarrrling, supply and demand". What people don't know, when they come to pick up their pup is 'mum and dad' are stooge house dogs and real mum and dad are in cages in the garage. She will quite freely brag that people are that thick they don't notice (or don't care) that they're picking up a cockerpoo puppy but the 'mum and dad' they've been introduced to are both springer spaniels!!
A programme like this won't suddenly make everyone rush out and start breeding puppies and if it highlights the plight of puppy farmed dogs, then I say, let it be shown..........many times.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Surely it depends whether they conclude the answer is yes or no?
Parrotperson
Well-Known Member
well I'm, as is my wont, going straight to the horses mouth as it were and contacting Auntie Beeb. I'll let you know what they say.
blackcob
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Interesting take from Jemima Harrison, who might know a thing or two about controversial documentaries ?
Parrotperson
Well-Known Member
well she might know a thing or two about documentaries but shed be worn g in saying its a completely legitimate subject to cover!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
The main take home for a lot of people who watched Harrison's programme was that crossbred dogs were 'healthier' and they fell straight into the arms of BYB and puppy farmers, happy to oblige.
She also failed to acknowledge or support the fact that ANY breeder in certain breeds were doing things right.
There was a wonderful opportunity to educate the public and reform kennel/breed clubs but it was squandered.
She also failed to acknowledge or support the fact that ANY breeder in certain breeds were doing things right.
There was a wonderful opportunity to educate the public and reform kennel/breed clubs but it was squandered.
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Or rather - she knows about totally misleading documentaries that completely distorted the views of anyone featured, misinformed the public and were a load of sensationalist rubbish ???
Bellasophia
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Jemima sounds worn out..she’s lost her drive.
Years ago her articles had punch and were convincing and informative..then she had such a backlash from breeders that imo she’s given up her original campaign.
http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.com/
Years ago her articles had punch and were convincing and informative..then she had such a backlash from breeders that imo she’s given up her original campaign.
http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.com/
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It's quite hard to take, to be honest, when you have a health tested, show graded, high-scoring working dog that you've trained, trialled and handled yourself from scratch to the highest level possible, to be told by the owner of a lame/fat/fitting animal that can barely move from sofa to back garden, that 'yOuR dOg iS iNbreD aNd dEfoRmed' on the strength of a TV show.
Bellasophia
Well-Known Member
hi Corvus. I actually wrote a long detailed letter to jemima years ago when my poodle import ,and his uk popular stud brother,from top top top Swedish kennel both tested positive as a dm carrier..the Swedish kennel club also had multiple letters from me stating the case that at least one of their world titled parents of my dog and his brother,must be carrier for dm
Their father has sired more than twenty litters in Europe..in fact the swedish kennel is the backbone of silver st poodles in the USA and europe..
I had no reply from miss Harrison.The Swedish kennel club( whose spokeswoman was simply a phd holder in genetics) emphatically told me there was no need to include DM in the suggested list of health tests for the breed..
When my dogs breeder died her dogs were passed on to other Swedish kennels and bred on....I contacted one who was,planning a litter from my dogs sister and a male whose father was the same sire as my dog..(.line breeding will out..)so I advised her that two of the sisters litter had been tested and came up as carriers of dm...she should at least test her dogs before breeding and test the pups too...
her reply was that if the Swedish kennel club don’t have DM on their list to say it’s in the breed ,then she won’t test for it.
Ridiculous ...
..as just a simple swab test would help to reduce the incidence of this crippling illness becoming embedded in the pedigrees.
Breeders could breed carriers to clear to keep the gene pool open..etc.
my dogs proud line..father and progeny all multi ch titled,but not one tested for Dm.
Their father has sired more than twenty litters in Europe..in fact the swedish kennel is the backbone of silver st poodles in the USA and europe..
I had no reply from miss Harrison.The Swedish kennel club( whose spokeswoman was simply a phd holder in genetics) emphatically told me there was no need to include DM in the suggested list of health tests for the breed..
When my dogs breeder died her dogs were passed on to other Swedish kennels and bred on....I contacted one who was,planning a litter from my dogs sister and a male whose father was the same sire as my dog..(.line breeding will out..)so I advised her that two of the sisters litter had been tested and came up as carriers of dm...she should at least test her dogs before breeding and test the pups too...
her reply was that if the Swedish kennel club don’t have DM on their list to say it’s in the breed ,then she won’t test for it.
Ridiculous ...
..as just a simple swab test would help to reduce the incidence of this crippling illness becoming embedded in the pedigrees.
Breeders could breed carriers to clear to keep the gene pool open..etc.
my dogs proud line..father and progeny all multi ch titled,but not one tested for Dm.
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It's a joke.
The public: OMG pedigree dogs are so unhealthy!
People like me: Here's some things we could put in place to ensure better breeding
The public: Oh no. That's too restrictive/extreme. You'll just have to trust people to do the right thing.
The public: OMG pedigree dogs are so unhealthy!
People like me: Here's some things we could put in place to ensure better breeding
The public: Oh no. That's too restrictive/extreme. You'll just have to trust people to do the right thing.
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The public? Try the Kennel Clubs!
Her documentary was still appalling however, I know for a fact she distorted and misrepresented the cavalier people who were shown on the programme
Her documentary was still appalling however, I know for a fact she distorted and misrepresented the cavalier people who were shown on the programme
Mrs. Jingle
Well-Known Member
Signed and shared this side of the water - seeing as most of our disgusting puppy farms here in Ireland send their badly and cruelly bred, illegally exported 'stock' over to the Uk to sell on. Just what we need a heads up from the BBC highlighting a potential money making racket that anybody can turn their hand to.
I do not include reputable and respected breeders in my disgust and fury, I save that for the mass breeding illegal and not so illegal puppy farms my country is cursed with.
I do not include reputable and respected breeders in my disgust and fury, I save that for the mass breeding illegal and not so illegal puppy farms my country is cursed with.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Yep, have correspondence to prove it. And then why would many breeders and exhibitors bother when their health tested stock can be beaten by dogs with sky high scores.
blackcob
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Ouch, wasn't ready to open the PDE can of worms. Remember folks that I have a house full of pedigree dogs. ? Just thought it interesting to consider the viewpoint of someone who's been there and got the t-shirt when it comes to producing sensational documentaries (and look, we're still talking about it 12 years later...)
I disagree that it's not a legitimate subject to cover, whether we like it or not it is a fact that people are making money out of dog breeding and it appears that more of them than ever are doing or attempting to do so; the societal and economic factors leading to the current puppy boom situation are varied and interesting and surely worthy of examination.
I personally would rather take the approach of firing off an email to the BBC expressing concerns and seeking reassurance that various important aspects will be addressed rather than tell them they shouldn't make it at all.
I disagree that it's not a legitimate subject to cover, whether we like it or not it is a fact that people are making money out of dog breeding and it appears that more of them than ever are doing or attempting to do so; the societal and economic factors leading to the current puppy boom situation are varied and interesting and surely worthy of examination.
I personally would rather take the approach of firing off an email to the BBC expressing concerns and seeking reassurance that various important aspects will be addressed rather than tell them they shouldn't make it at all.
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
Marc Abraham @MarcTheVet
Official statement regarding proposed BBC Three programme 'Will My Puppies Make Me Rich?':
"I’m usually a big fan of BBC THREE and its often ground-breaking content & comedy. However I join fellow animal welfare campaigners & dog-lovers across the UK in being deeply concerned that this programme is not only ill-conceived & exploitative to animals, but potentially dangerous too. Any show following individuals breeding dogs with little or no knowledge & experience, with their sole intention of making a profit implies this is an appropriate, even aspirational money-making venture to consider; a hugely irresponsible message to send to viewers by a publicly funded, or indeed any organisation. Statements like “capitalising on the demand for designer dogs” are especially worrying, as the aim seems to be producing dogs in sufficient quantity & of a certain type, with no consideration of the many significant health or welfare implications that can result. In my opinion, from an animal welfare & educational perspective, BBC THREE’s purpose would be far better served by a series highlighting the frequently tragic outcomes from dog breeding establishments motivated by profit, such as puppy farms or importing sick young pups from overseas; as well as sharing tips on what to look for when buying a puppy, or better still adopting from rescue. It’s extremely disappointing, especially when the Pandemic has seen a spike in irresponsible dog breeding practices both here & abroad, that BBC THREE is commissioning a documentary that effectively promotes & follows a dog breeding business experiment, posing a risk not only to the welfare of the dogs, puppies & people directly involved, but potentially manufacturing cruelty, which can only have a detrimental effect on the lives of thousands of other dogs & humans. I sincerely hope BBC THREE rethinks this terrible idea which only helps to normalise & encourage dog breeding for money; they listen to their license fee-paying animal-lovers across the country & seriously consider their future plans regarding this show, hopefully choosing a much more responsible, acceptable & ethical concept to take its place in our TV guides.”
You can make a complaint to the BBC here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/con.../complaints/make-a-complaint/...
Sign & share this petition:
https://www.change.org/.../bbc-stop-the-bbc-producing-new...
Thanks guys for all your messages, passion & determination to reverse this ludicrously irresponsible commission. Marc
Official statement regarding proposed BBC Three programme 'Will My Puppies Make Me Rich?':
"I’m usually a big fan of BBC THREE and its often ground-breaking content & comedy. However I join fellow animal welfare campaigners & dog-lovers across the UK in being deeply concerned that this programme is not only ill-conceived & exploitative to animals, but potentially dangerous too. Any show following individuals breeding dogs with little or no knowledge & experience, with their sole intention of making a profit implies this is an appropriate, even aspirational money-making venture to consider; a hugely irresponsible message to send to viewers by a publicly funded, or indeed any organisation. Statements like “capitalising on the demand for designer dogs” are especially worrying, as the aim seems to be producing dogs in sufficient quantity & of a certain type, with no consideration of the many significant health or welfare implications that can result. In my opinion, from an animal welfare & educational perspective, BBC THREE’s purpose would be far better served by a series highlighting the frequently tragic outcomes from dog breeding establishments motivated by profit, such as puppy farms or importing sick young pups from overseas; as well as sharing tips on what to look for when buying a puppy, or better still adopting from rescue. It’s extremely disappointing, especially when the Pandemic has seen a spike in irresponsible dog breeding practices both here & abroad, that BBC THREE is commissioning a documentary that effectively promotes & follows a dog breeding business experiment, posing a risk not only to the welfare of the dogs, puppies & people directly involved, but potentially manufacturing cruelty, which can only have a detrimental effect on the lives of thousands of other dogs & humans. I sincerely hope BBC THREE rethinks this terrible idea which only helps to normalise & encourage dog breeding for money; they listen to their license fee-paying animal-lovers across the country & seriously consider their future plans regarding this show, hopefully choosing a much more responsible, acceptable & ethical concept to take its place in our TV guides.”
You can make a complaint to the BBC here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/con.../complaints/make-a-complaint/...
Sign & share this petition:
https://www.change.org/.../bbc-stop-the-bbc-producing-new...
Thanks guys for all your messages, passion & determination to reverse this ludicrously irresponsible commission. Marc
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To be honest I know that I’ll be talking about how totally appalling the current Government is in 13 years time, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing ?
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
And on a slightly different note, I am not expecting great things from this particular documentary, as I have yet to see any programme that I wish to watch to the end of BBC THREE.