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I appreciate I hardly ever watch TV but I genuinely cannot remember ever watching anything on BBC 3 - in fact I thought they had scrapped it?!!
I really hope this is a scam, but......
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I appreciate I hardly ever watch TV but I genuinely cannot remember ever watching anything on BBC 3 - in fact I thought they had scrapped it?!!
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
It may be a legitimate subject to cover (in terms of more people than ever breeding designer puppies to satisfy the market) but the issue I have with it is making it into a reality tv show.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I think it is meant to only be aired online but they do put some stuff on BB1/2 later in the evening, when they can't think of anything else to put on.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Petition is now at nearly 70,000
AmyMay
Situation normal
Nearly 91,000 signatures on the petition now.
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
AmyMay
Situation normal
Was this Twitter SD?
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
I copied it from Twitter - he posted it on Instagram.
Parrotperson
Well-Known Member
so I had this reply from BBC Complaints. They really just can't see it can they. dear god. ?
'Thank you for contacting us.
A lot has been said and written online about this future programme. If the BBC were making a programme about how to exploit animals for profit, then that would be a cause for concern. The reality is rather different. The BBC is not making such a programme and never intended to.
The title of the programme is a working title. It is not uncommon for programmes to have working titles while they are developed. As the working title has allowed there to be some ambiguity around what the content might be, we have now chosen the new working title - “Britain’s Puppy Boom – Counting the Cost.” We think that title makes clearer the BBC’s and the programme’s intentions.
To clarify further, it will be a film underpinned by sound journalism, providing a balanced exploration of why more young people have become interested in turning their passion for dogs into a profession, done responsibly, as well as understanding the wider negative impacts of the rise in demand for dogs. It will not be a ‘how to’ guide. It is not about encouraging people to get into breeding. Nor is it an attempt to glamorise breeding.
The welfare of animals is of the utmost importance and this programme will follow young individuals that are already responsibly breeding or are training to become accredited in order to highlight what constitutes best practice. The idea was commissioned during a live pitch event for new talent which is different to how we usually commission, but it will now be developed and made in accordance with the usual processes in line with BBC Editorial guidelines and the production team will research and consult widely within the industry.
We hope this statement makes clear the position.'
'Thank you for contacting us.
A lot has been said and written online about this future programme. If the BBC were making a programme about how to exploit animals for profit, then that would be a cause for concern. The reality is rather different. The BBC is not making such a programme and never intended to.
The title of the programme is a working title. It is not uncommon for programmes to have working titles while they are developed. As the working title has allowed there to be some ambiguity around what the content might be, we have now chosen the new working title - “Britain’s Puppy Boom – Counting the Cost.” We think that title makes clearer the BBC’s and the programme’s intentions.
To clarify further, it will be a film underpinned by sound journalism, providing a balanced exploration of why more young people have become interested in turning their passion for dogs into a profession, done responsibly, as well as understanding the wider negative impacts of the rise in demand for dogs. It will not be a ‘how to’ guide. It is not about encouraging people to get into breeding. Nor is it an attempt to glamorise breeding.
The welfare of animals is of the utmost importance and this programme will follow young individuals that are already responsibly breeding or are training to become accredited in order to highlight what constitutes best practice. The idea was commissioned during a live pitch event for new talent which is different to how we usually commission, but it will now be developed and made in accordance with the usual processes in line with BBC Editorial guidelines and the production team will research and consult widely within the industry.
We hope this statement makes clear the position.'
AmyMay
Situation normal
Yep, had the same response
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Dear BBC, how stupid are you? Well, if that response is anything to go by, you are very stupid indeed ?
“Young people becoming professional dog breeders” FFS???!!! THERE SHOULD BE NO SUCH THING!!!! ???
“Young people becoming professional dog breeders” FFS???!!! THERE SHOULD BE NO SUCH THING!!!! ???
Parrotperson
Well-Known Member
horrifying isn't it. silly and stupid just don't cover it. I have words but id get banned.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
I'm not surprised at all sadly. 
I actually joined this forum after I saw a BBC programme that featured someone riding an emaciated horse. The reply I got from the BBC over that was pitiful, as is this one.
I actually joined this forum after I saw a BBC programme that featured someone riding an emaciated horse. The reply I got from the BBC over that was pitiful, as is this one.
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
copied from FB.
Marc Abraham @MarcTheVet
UPDATED STATEMENT RE: 'Will my puppies make me Rich/ Britain’s Puppy Boom: Counting the Cost'
Hi everyone. Now the dust has settled a little bit & Beth Boyd’s phenomenal
Change.org
petition has been signed by well over 200,000 concerned animal-lovers, my Lucy’s Law team & I wanted to add a few more words to this important matter.
Looking at all 3 statements from the
BBC
(most recent below), like many of you we’re still not convinced the content of this show is going to change significantly, even though title & description have been more carefully worded. Originally the documentary was going to be “following young social media savvy breeders as they learned the ropes capitalising on the demand for designer puppies”, which unsurprisingly led to widespread anger.
While the show's now described as a “balanced exploration of why more young people have become interested in turning their passion for dogs into a profession, done responsibly, as well as understanding the wider negative impacts of the rise in demand for dogs”, essentially the subject matter has not altered sufficiently from the original concept. The purpose of this film appears to cover the journey of inexperienced people who are turning to breeding dogs as a career prospect with the sole motive of making a profit, as other job opportunities dwindle due to the pandemic.
To be clear, breeding dogs as a business isn't illegal & making money from breeding dogs isn’t either. However, there is an enormous difference between making a few quid a litter once in a while & breeding dogs for the explicit purpose of making as much money as possible, especially when the activity constitutes the main or sole source of income. The latter scenario creates a potential conflict with welfare, because the dogs must effectively pay their way.
There has been no indication from the BBC that the people to be shown in the programme are breeding for any other reason than to “capitalise on the demand for designer dogs” i.e. financial gain. This exploitative angle is never the best or even an appropriate aim when producing any animal, let alone ones destined to be family pets. Breeders have a duty of care to their animals that extends long after that puppy leaves for its new home; far less likely to happen where generating an income is the primary motivation.
While there is still no legal or agreed definition of ‘puppy farming,’ breeding dogs as a business activity led to this phrase being coined. Puppies are a ‘crop’ & breeding dogs are ‘stock’; their welfare is only important to the point where it is acceptable to maintain their production output. Breeders re financially reliant upon this output, hence the conflict with welfare. There are few, if any examples of dog breeding businesses where the immediate & long-term welfare of the animals isn’t negatively impacted to some degree.
In contrast, there are countless examples where licensed & supposedly ‘reputable’ businesses have caused suffering, not only to dogs, but also considerable emotional & financial distress to those unsuspecting families who have to cope with the outcome. Showcasing individuals setting out to create a "dog breeding business" remains a highly questionable decision for this reason & by documenting it as a “profession done responsibly”, the BBC is sending the message to viewers that dog breeding can be considered as a valid & even enterprising means of providing an income. This is NOT an appropriate message, no matter what guise it is presented in.
Also, it’s not just the individuals who will be shown in the documentary that give cause for alarm. It is likely that others, away from the scrutiny of television cameras, will see this programme as a valid reason to simply churn out litters with no concern for the long-term welfare of the puppies or breeding dogs. The problem remains that even if these particular breeders are "responsible", if the programme implies that dog breeding can be viable source of income, this will be the takeaway message, with any finer points being disregarded.
We know that people still appear to be struggling to grasp the most basic rule of seeing puppies with their mothers where they were born, the main protections provided by Lucy’s Law. In our opinion, it’s going to be impossible for a documentary to explain the subtleties of responsible breeding, once the prospect of making money as a business opportunity has been raised.
Furthermore, it really isn’t necessary to conduct a breeding experiment to show good breeding practice. The outcome(s) of irresponsible breeding can be explored without following people “learning the ropes” &/or “capitalising on the demand for designer dogs”. Sadly, as we're reminded every day, there are already far too many examples of that as cruelty cases, or simply the sheer numbers of dogs abandoned into rescue.
If the programme just examines the potential negative outcome of the pandemic puppy boom, with examples of puppy farming/backyard breeding both here & abroad, then it would be more welcomed on our screens, rather than condemned; as well as more appropriately reflecting the revised title. While this is a considerable change from the original concept & would lose the “enterprising young people” storyline, it would clearly be a far more responsible & accepted line to take. Following young people with alternative & appropriate businesses that involve dogs (for instance dog training or grooming) would also be a preferable option to keep within the original proposal.
We hope BBC listen & take onboard the reasons outlined above, which will hopefully help explain why even with the claimed revisions, this documentary is still wholly unacceptable for promoting or improving animal welfare. Finally, well done to everyone that’s signed & shared Beth Boyd’s excellent petition, taken time to politely complain to the BBC & been so vocal on social media.
People power can be a wonderful thing when used appropriately, like fighting to protect/improve animal welfare & in this case, should it still go ahead & anyone chooses to watch it, programme makers have now been held to account & will be forced to produce something more acceptable to the masses. As some have claimed, even if this was one big PR/media storm by
BBC Three
to provoke & create panic/awareness, the end result will be scrutinised by many, so the pressure's on to deliver something vaguely worthy, that us animal-lovers find acceptable.
Marc & Lucy’s Law team.
Latest BBC statement: https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/bbc-three-puppies
For all those who haven't yet shared the petition it can be found here: https://www.change.org/.../bbc-stop-the-bbc-producing-new...
Link to complain to BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/con.../complaints/make-a-complaint/...
Marc Abraham @MarcTheVet
UPDATED STATEMENT RE: 'Will my puppies make me Rich/ Britain’s Puppy Boom: Counting the Cost'
Hi everyone. Now the dust has settled a little bit & Beth Boyd’s phenomenal
Change.org
petition has been signed by well over 200,000 concerned animal-lovers, my Lucy’s Law team & I wanted to add a few more words to this important matter.
Looking at all 3 statements from the
BBC
(most recent below), like many of you we’re still not convinced the content of this show is going to change significantly, even though title & description have been more carefully worded. Originally the documentary was going to be “following young social media savvy breeders as they learned the ropes capitalising on the demand for designer puppies”, which unsurprisingly led to widespread anger.
While the show's now described as a “balanced exploration of why more young people have become interested in turning their passion for dogs into a profession, done responsibly, as well as understanding the wider negative impacts of the rise in demand for dogs”, essentially the subject matter has not altered sufficiently from the original concept. The purpose of this film appears to cover the journey of inexperienced people who are turning to breeding dogs as a career prospect with the sole motive of making a profit, as other job opportunities dwindle due to the pandemic.
To be clear, breeding dogs as a business isn't illegal & making money from breeding dogs isn’t either. However, there is an enormous difference between making a few quid a litter once in a while & breeding dogs for the explicit purpose of making as much money as possible, especially when the activity constitutes the main or sole source of income. The latter scenario creates a potential conflict with welfare, because the dogs must effectively pay their way.
There has been no indication from the BBC that the people to be shown in the programme are breeding for any other reason than to “capitalise on the demand for designer dogs” i.e. financial gain. This exploitative angle is never the best or even an appropriate aim when producing any animal, let alone ones destined to be family pets. Breeders have a duty of care to their animals that extends long after that puppy leaves for its new home; far less likely to happen where generating an income is the primary motivation.
While there is still no legal or agreed definition of ‘puppy farming,’ breeding dogs as a business activity led to this phrase being coined. Puppies are a ‘crop’ & breeding dogs are ‘stock’; their welfare is only important to the point where it is acceptable to maintain their production output. Breeders re financially reliant upon this output, hence the conflict with welfare. There are few, if any examples of dog breeding businesses where the immediate & long-term welfare of the animals isn’t negatively impacted to some degree.
In contrast, there are countless examples where licensed & supposedly ‘reputable’ businesses have caused suffering, not only to dogs, but also considerable emotional & financial distress to those unsuspecting families who have to cope with the outcome. Showcasing individuals setting out to create a "dog breeding business" remains a highly questionable decision for this reason & by documenting it as a “profession done responsibly”, the BBC is sending the message to viewers that dog breeding can be considered as a valid & even enterprising means of providing an income. This is NOT an appropriate message, no matter what guise it is presented in.
Also, it’s not just the individuals who will be shown in the documentary that give cause for alarm. It is likely that others, away from the scrutiny of television cameras, will see this programme as a valid reason to simply churn out litters with no concern for the long-term welfare of the puppies or breeding dogs. The problem remains that even if these particular breeders are "responsible", if the programme implies that dog breeding can be viable source of income, this will be the takeaway message, with any finer points being disregarded.
We know that people still appear to be struggling to grasp the most basic rule of seeing puppies with their mothers where they were born, the main protections provided by Lucy’s Law. In our opinion, it’s going to be impossible for a documentary to explain the subtleties of responsible breeding, once the prospect of making money as a business opportunity has been raised.
Furthermore, it really isn’t necessary to conduct a breeding experiment to show good breeding practice. The outcome(s) of irresponsible breeding can be explored without following people “learning the ropes” &/or “capitalising on the demand for designer dogs”. Sadly, as we're reminded every day, there are already far too many examples of that as cruelty cases, or simply the sheer numbers of dogs abandoned into rescue.
If the programme just examines the potential negative outcome of the pandemic puppy boom, with examples of puppy farming/backyard breeding both here & abroad, then it would be more welcomed on our screens, rather than condemned; as well as more appropriately reflecting the revised title. While this is a considerable change from the original concept & would lose the “enterprising young people” storyline, it would clearly be a far more responsible & accepted line to take. Following young people with alternative & appropriate businesses that involve dogs (for instance dog training or grooming) would also be a preferable option to keep within the original proposal.
We hope BBC listen & take onboard the reasons outlined above, which will hopefully help explain why even with the claimed revisions, this documentary is still wholly unacceptable for promoting or improving animal welfare. Finally, well done to everyone that’s signed & shared Beth Boyd’s excellent petition, taken time to politely complain to the BBC & been so vocal on social media.
People power can be a wonderful thing when used appropriately, like fighting to protect/improve animal welfare & in this case, should it still go ahead & anyone chooses to watch it, programme makers have now been held to account & will be forced to produce something more acceptable to the masses. As some have claimed, even if this was one big PR/media storm by
BBC Three
to provoke & create panic/awareness, the end result will be scrutinised by many, so the pressure's on to deliver something vaguely worthy, that us animal-lovers find acceptable.
Marc & Lucy’s Law team.
Latest BBC statement: https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/bbc-three-puppies
For all those who haven't yet shared the petition it can be found here: https://www.change.org/.../bbc-stop-the-bbc-producing-new...
Link to complain to BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/con.../complaints/make-a-complaint/...