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MrsB said:
Hi there,

I have been riding for many many years, been a sharer etc. and after spending far too much money at a riding school, decided to buy my own horse. After trawling and searching high and low, I found, what I thought and was advertised as an "ideal first horse". I went and tried him, he was lovely, very quiet, nice to handle although a bit skinny, but the lady did say he lived out all through the winter. He also apparently had no vices and was a novice ride. So we agreed a price, got a 2 stage vetting and Boris (6 years old, 16.3 irish X) comes home with me and is on livery at a very experienced yard, with a variety of horses at all levels, from plodders to stallions and everything inbetween.

He came back on a Thursday and I then rode him on the Sunday to give him a chance to settle in. I had the saddler come out to him straight away, had his teeth done, back shoes on and also had the physio check over him before I rode him and all was good. He was a bit nappy, but let this go as it was his first time out in a new place, we were also with another horse who was very quiet. 15 mins before home he started to get very fidgety, got himself into a right tizz pouring with sweat and throwing his head around and he was very strong (he was advertised as snaffle-mouthed). Again, I let this go as it was his first time out.

I then rode him a couple of days later in the school. My instructor described him like a "newly backed 3 year old", he knew nothing, wasn't well balanced and the woman I bought him off reckons he'd done dressage! I went to change my whip over (quietly) into my other hand and he shot across the school - I remember her saying to me she had to "give him a few hard whacks to get him going as he was lazy". He was very forward going (she said he wasn't but with food in him he is!), only had to touch his sides and he'd ping into trot, we did lots of transitions, 20m circles, serpentines etc. to get him listening. I rode him every day either in the school or out on a hack with quiet horses and he seemed fine, although I put a market harborough on him to help control him a bit more and a flash. He threw in a small buck when I asked for canter on the left reign, but this is his worst one and thought nothing of it.

Then on Friday, we get to a different place out on a hack, I ask him for trot and he throws in a hefty buck. Fortunately I sat through it, calmed him down and carried on and put that down to excitement. On Saturday (just gone) I rode him in the school, asked for trot on the left reign and he threw a huge buck this time and I landed like a sack of spuds on my shoulder.

Since he's been with me, his temperament has changed. Whilst he is nice to groom, he bites when given his feed and hay (although he has got better), he's terrible at picking his feet out, not great with the farrier and as he's feeling better, he's now becoming a right handful and there is no way he's a novice ride. I've got the physio coming out again to check his back and I'm now getting the bloods checked that the vet took as I think he may have been sedated. I certainly think he's been kept thin to keep him under control - but that is so cruel!

The woman said that I could bring him back if he wasn't suitable, I have contacted her and she has come back to me, but the last message I left was that I wanted to bring him back as he's not right but surprise surprise, she hasn't come back to me! I will have owned him 4 weeks this Thursday...

It is such a shame as this is my first time buying a horse!!! Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mrs B
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Sorry I am new on here so forgive the bad computor skills!
Your not the only one I have been had over a horse I bought from a breeder.
Stupidly bought unseen (a moment of madness) horse arrived in a right state, neglected, loads wrong with it, but at the time too ill myself to deal with it. I let my heart rule my head and kept it. We have our own place so lucky enough to have a hubby (hates horses) but willing to fence the fields to contain said horse(Stallion)Turns horse out all it does is run up and down all day along the fencing, gets cast on a regular basis in a huge Stable and suffers from choke. Last incident nearly died and to be honest if it had not cleared on the day I gave it to clear I would have had him shot. Still not right lost loads of weight. He still keep coughing although now grazing in a field away from other horses even though he is wormed and have now decided to give him until after Christmas see how he goes if he does not pick up I will have him shot. What is the point of keeping a horse you get no pleasure in?
 
bobajob said:
Sorry I am new on here so forgive the bad computor skills!
Your not the only one I have been had over a horse I bought from a breeder.
Stupidly bought unseen (a moment of madness) horse arrived in a right state, neglected, loads wrong with it, but at the time too ill myself to deal with it. I let my heart rule my head and kept it. We have our own place so lucky enough to have a hubby (hates horses) but willing to fence the fields to contain said horse(Stallion)Turns horse out all it does is run up and down all day along the fencing, gets cast on a regular basis in a huge Stable and suffers from choke. Last incident nearly died and to be honest if it had not cleared on the day I gave it to clear I would have had him shot. Still not right lost loads of weight. He still keep coughing although now grazing in a field away from other horses even though he is wormed and have now decided to give him until after Christmas see how he goes if he does not pick up I will have him shot. What is the point of keeping a horse you get no pleasure in?
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So perhaps try gelding it, finding it some company, and learn to manage choke (which isn't ALL that hard in reality!).
 
I was going to say I would geld as well to start with, getting cast is no big deal and choke, has his teeth been checked and what feed is he eatting?
 
bobajob said:
(Stallion)Turns horse out all it does is run up and down all day along the fencing, gets cast on a regular basis in a huge Stable and suffers from choke. Last incident nearly died and to be honest if it had not cleared on the day I gave it to clear I would have had him shot. Still not right lost loads of weight. He still keep coughing although now grazing in a field away from other horses even though he is wormed and have now decided to give him until after Christmas see how he goes if he does not pick up I will have him shot. What is the point of keeping a horse you get no pleasure in?
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Poor, poor horse.

Geld, feed appropriately and give it some company and many of your problems will be solved.
 
bobajob said:
Sorry I am new on here so forgive the bad computor skills!
Your not the only one I have been had over a horse I bought from a breeder.
Stupidly bought unseen (a moment of madness) horse arrived in a right state, neglected, loads wrong with it, but at the time too ill myself to deal with it. I let my heart rule my head and kept it. We have our own place so lucky enough to have a hubby (hates horses) but willing to fence the fields to contain said horse(Stallion)Turns horse out all it does is run up and down all day along the fencing, gets cast on a regular basis in a huge Stable and suffers from choke. Last incident nearly died and to be honest if it had not cleared on the day I gave it to clear I would have had him shot. Still not right lost loads of weight. He still keep coughing although now grazing in a field away from other horses even though he is wormed and have now decided to give him until after Christmas see how he goes if he does not pick up I will have him shot. What is the point of keeping a horse you get no pleasure in?
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Sounds like a plan. Maybe do it just before Christmas, then you can console yourself with a new toy. I hear these are top of everyones list for Xmas 2012

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bobajob said:
Sorry I am new on here so forgive the bad computor skills!
Your not the only one I have been had over a horse I bought from a breeder.
Stupidly bought unseen (a moment of madness) horse arrived in a right state, neglected, loads wrong with it, but at the time too ill myself to deal with it. I let my heart rule my head and kept it. We have our own place so lucky enough to have a hubby (hates horses) but willing to fence the fields to contain said horse(Stallion)Turns horse out all it does is run up and down all day along the fencing, gets cast on a regular basis in a huge Stable and suffers from choke. Last incident nearly died and to be honest if it had not cleared on the day I gave it to clear I would have had him shot. Still not right lost loads of weight. He still keep coughing although now grazing in a field away from other horses even though he is wormed and have now decided to give him until after Christmas see how he goes if he does not pick up I will have him shot. What is the point of keeping a horse you get no pleasure in?
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Wow!!! Poor lad. Sort yourself out bobajob!! Get the poor boy gelded for a start, that's all I have to say.... Words fail for the rest of your post.. disgusting.
 
joeanne said:
So perhaps try gelding it, finding it some company, and learn to manage choke (which isn't ALL that hard in reality!).
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Thanks to everyone who has replied. I live in another Country I have asked all the Vets who have been to geld him and all have refused saying he is too old (15years) Its a different attitude to horses over here. He has a Companion and before anyone thinks it his companion is a donkey and yes he is wormed regular. He does love his Donkey and when he is away from every other horse he can see he settles down and grazes with the Donkey.Its just when we bring him home he starts the pacing and ignores the fact his Donkey is there for him.
His teeth have been done, he is wormed regular and we rotate the grazing between horses and cattle. He is on 40lb of food a day, sugarbeet, mixed feed and linseed. Choices of feed are restricted here and is at the moment grazing a 30 acre field all to himself and his donkey.
I was like you guys the thought of having my horse shot would give me nightmares. Very few Vets here inject and in the space of 15 months have had two old horses shot at home. Many a person wanted these old horses off me but I knew it was for meat and take no heed of a 'good home' at least by having them put down at home I knew where they where and not worrying if I saw them neglected some where else.
 
bobajob are you kidding?

you bought a stallion unseen when you were so ill you could not care for it,

he was poor when he arrived,

put the stallion in a field on its own and wondered why it runs the fence,

he suffers from 'choke' so your gonna shoot it,

he has lost weight,

he coughs,

you have not mentioned anything about having a vet out to check him over even though he was poor and has continued to lose weight, he coughs and suffers from choke.

you owe it to this stallion to have him checked by a vet, get him castrated and find him a decent home-maybe a sanctuary would take him

you cannot just leave him till christmas

i hope that this is a troll post
 
That will teach us lot to jump to conclusions......
But Bobajob why did you buy a stallion? You surely must have known thats what he is?
But besides the stallion behaviour....everything else is sortable IF you want to.
 
Toast said:
Wow!!! Poor lad. Sort yourself out bobajob!! Get the poor boy gelded for a start, that's all I have to say.... Words fail for the rest of your post.. disgusting.
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I came on here to let the lady who posted that she was not alone. I did not come on here to be abused. So I have a Stallion with breeding to die for but is a fantastic ride. He has bouts of choke last one nearly being the death of him. What is the worse thing to do when you have gone down all other routes?
Give him to a 'good home' or have him shot? Giving to a good home. Can you be sure he is going to be managed and fed? How would you feel when you have given him to a 'good home' when you start getting phone calls telling you they have seen your horse in a field with no grass, no water no food and no shelter? What can you do?
OR do you do the right thing and have him put down? My way at least I know where they are.
 
joeanne said:
That will teach us lot to jump to conclusions......
But Bobajob why did you buy a stallion? You surely must have known thats what he is?
But besides the stallion behaviour....everything else is sortable IF you want to.
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I have always had Stallions. I have three others as well. I do not breed and the other three have never even touched a mare. I ride on a regular basis and have no problems whatsoever with the others. Just this one.
 
bobajob said:
I came on here to let the lady who posted that she was not alone. I did not come on here to be abused. So I have a Stallion with breeding to die for but is a fantastic ride. He has bouts of choke last one nearly being the death of him. What is the worse thing to do when you have gone down all other routes?
Give him to a 'good home' or have him shot? Giving to a good home. Can you be sure he is going to be managed and fed? How would you feel when you have given him to a 'good home' when you start getting phone calls telling you they have seen your horse in a field with no grass, no water no food and no shelter? What can you do?
OR do you do the right thing and have him put down? My way at least I know where they are.
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I am sorry Istill dont agree he is with you and was poor when he arrived and continues to lose weight, sufferf rom choke and cough and nothing has been said on here about doing anything to help him with these problems-he is not being managed and fed correctly where he is
 
No I agree bobajob that you would know where he was but his problems are not bad and quite managable or seem that way but I'm not sure what country you are in and what your vets are like so think it's hard to judge
 
Auslander said:
Sounds like a plan. Maybe do it just before Christmas, then you can console yourself with a new toy. I hear these are top of everyones list for Xmas 2012

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I come on these sites to read what is going on in the Horse World. I tend to find replies like this are from people who would not dare in the real World speak like this face to face with another person.

Do you know how they kill horses here? They slit their throats if they are lucky with a sharp knife. I much prefere shooting an old friend than having its feet bound and its throat slit.
 
jools1234 said:
I am sorry Istill dont agree he is with you and was poor when he arrived and continues to lose weight, sufferf rom choke and cough and nothing has been said on here about doing anything to help him with these problems-he is not being managed and fed correctly where he is
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When he arrived he was very poor. I fattened him up very quickly, so you can see how gutted I am when he lost weight and Im doing my best to fatten him again.
 
bobajob said:
I come on these sites to read what is going on in the Horse World. I tend to find replies like this are from people who would not dare in the real World speak like this face to face with another person.

Do you know how they kill horses here? They slit their throats if they are lucky with a sharp knife. I much prefere shooting an old friend than having its feet bound and its throat slit.
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Far from it. If I see a horse that is being neglected, I have no hesitation in speaking up.

Had you given some proper information in your post about the veterinary care your horse had received, and the steps you had taken to help him, I might have answered differently, but your post simply said you'd bought a horse, and decided to shoot it because it had a few issues that frankly, could be easily sorted out with gelding, veterinary attention, and proper management.

What has the method of destruction got to do with my suspicion (based solely on what I read in your first post - if you come back with a polite answer that explains what you've done to help this horse, then I am openminded enough to apologise and revise my views) that you are either a troll, or extremely ignorant about your horses needs?
 
approach a sanctuary out there saying you need help but are happy to pay them for it, if you cant get any other vets to help they will step in

if thats not possible dont keep horses if there is no help when they are ill

what would happen if one had colic, massive lacerations, blew a tendon or any other of a million things
 
Auslander said:
Far from it. If I see a horse that is being neglected, I have no hesitation in speaking up.

Had you given some proper information in your post about the veterinary care your horse had received, and the steps you had taken to help him, I might have answered differently, but your post simply said you'd bought a horse, and decided to shoot it because it had a few issues that frankly, could be easily sorted out with gelding, veterinary attention, and proper management.

What has the method of destruction got to do with my suspicion (based solely on what I read in your first post - if you come back with a polite answer that explains what you've done to help this horse, then I am openminded enough to apologise and revise my views) that you are either a troll, or extremely ignorant about your horses needs?
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In most countries the care would be totally frowned upon.

I understand that things work differently out there but we did not have that information to hand in your op. All we had was a moan about an ill horse and how he'd be shot if he didn't change, with nothing to help him change.

Most here don't disagree with horses being put to sleep, a lot here would happily do it rather than keep a horse who was badly injured or to prevent it being passed on to a bad home. Your first post however read as a horse who was not cared for and an inconvenience. Anyone who cares about horses will take offence to that, on here and in the real world.
 
PandorasJar said:
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In most countries the care would be totally frowned upon.

I understand that things work differently out there but we did not have that information to hand in your op. All we had was a moan about an ill horse and how he'd be shot if he didn't change, with nothing to help him change.

Most here don't disagree with horses being put to sleep, a lot here would happily do it rather than keep a horse who was badly injured or to prevent it being passed on to a bad home. Your first post however read as a horse who was not cared for and an inconvenience. Anyone who cares about horses will take offence to that, on here and in the real world.
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Hi, I should have worded it better. I am very fortunate to be in a position to have my own property with land. I am lucky to have such beautiful Stallions and do as I please with them. They are all spoiled rotten, they are really pampered and want for nothing. I have one that is really over weight but is on a diet now but the one in question breaks my heart to see him like this. I have had different Vets to him but they are not as advanced over here as the Western Vets. I feel I have done all I can but now thanks to coming on here I am taking other routes to see what I can do rather than put him down. It is the last resort. I have been thinking could it be cancer? Looking into importing some feed. One of our neighbours over here has suggested to get him a female mule as 'comfort'!!!!!!!!! seeing I do not breed and that may settle him better than his donkey friend.
 
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