Gosh, Hannah I think you have read a little much into what Weezy and everyone else has said
The comments were NOT regarding the quality of young peoples advice (which many have praised in this thread), it was regarding the minority of people who habitually wait to put 'I agree' when perhaps they don't really know.
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Have no idea how old you are, but trust me, in a few years you will have given up caring about other peoples opinions of you.
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Im 15- but Im mature 15, if that makes sense?! TBH i dont really, but I am naturally a perfectionist- maybe the wrong word- and sometimes it does get to me
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Gosh, Hannah I think you have read a little much into what Weezy and everyone else has said
The comments were NOT regarding the quality of young peoples advice (which many have praised in this thread), it was regarding the minority of people who habitually wait to put 'I agree' when perhaps they don't really know.
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no no, I wasnt, I know exactly what Weezy was saying, I just built up maybe a little too much steam in what I was saying, I am sorry!
And I wasnt just referring to here, but people in general, it is just quite downheartning to me sometimes that my age is sometimes taken into account before what Im saying is listened to. I dont think I explained it very well!
Sometimes it can come across as arrogance in the young (talking from experience), but in time it will develop into a quiet confidence and you wont give a damn!
Very interesting point Tia.
The simple fact stands that alot of people go to a RS for 2 years and then buy a pony. And they havent a clue. RS don't teach alot about management and first aid etc.
Personally, I've been around and had horses for many years. Around horses since a tiny tot, and loaned or owned since 11. If I stated that to someone they'd assume I was therefore knowledgeable, and could ride well etc.
BUT I'm not!!
I am quite nervy, and prefer to be on the ground. I spent many years just doing simple stuff like grooming and plaiting up, having the luxury of being on a yard which did everything else for me.
I ended up helping out at a local stud on weekends, where I learnt a hell of a lot, but i'm still not experienced. I'd know what to do in an emergency, know how to bandage (thanks to a pony club manual and me getting stuck in and practising), etc etc, but ask me about feeding and pfft...I havent a bloomin clue.
Rather crazy of me to not be on a livery yard atm, to have no-one horsey to ask for advice. I am on my own. When I found blood on G's floor this morning I freaked and thought "oh my God!", but it turned out to be that he'd nicked his leg on something. A clean up and a bit of wound powder and fingers crossed.
I come on HHO and really, TBH this is my lifeline if I have any non emergency questions. I do find sometimes I'm given strange advice, but mostly it's great. There are 3 people on here who I do trust, because their advice is always sound and good, and I will always listen to what they say. Those people are what i would call traditional horsewomen, who cut to the chase and don't piddle about.
I don't tend to put people in boxes on here, more levels. Those I can have a giggle with, those who are like me, a nervous paranoid horseowner, those who know what they're doing to a certain extent, and those whose advice I would take straight on board.
What always shocks me, is the amount of college students who have less of an idea than I do (and that's scary) and go into jobs caring for top competition horses. They think they know it all, and they don't.
I guess no-one knows it all, and that's the beauty of horses, you're always learning, and a forum such as HHO can teach you something every day. That's why i come on, tto learn new things and get different perspectives.
Skim read a lot of this so apologise if it has been said.
I would say, I am no were near being fantastically knowledgeable! Having a tough lad means the only time I would even consider giving advice out is: Cases of mud fever (even then only to say 'use udder cream!'), trimming feathers so they blend in well and poulticing (had extensive training down the RS for it
), as those are the only real things I encounter enough to vaguely know what I am talking about. I'm only 15 (16 in May) and I don't mean to be rude/ageist but most people on here have had a longer time working with horses than I have (nearly 4 years constantly working with them, nearly 7 years riding). I just tend to read what has been said and take it in for future reference
Very interesting, personally, I don't know a bit but no a great deal but what I don't know I am trying to learn and will learn with more experience. thats why I have people who are more knowledgeable around me so they can help. I totally see where people are coming fromregarding "younger members" etc.
I really don't know what anyone thinks of me, but i know i have learnt so so much from coming on here. I've also learnt im not very good at veterinary advice and that i need to scrub up on this. I also think im a bit of a traditionlist even though im only 20, and use 'old' methods. Im not in to this natural horsemanship and i think both carrot and stick is the way forward.
I`ve been around and owned horses for over 30 years (god that makes me feel old). And l am still learning new things all the time. I had never had a lesson in al the time l have had horses and it has really opened my eyes to how awful my riding was. So l don`t give advice as there are many more people on here that have more eperience.
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Ah yes, I know what you mean re younger users.
Me personally, my Mac suffers with arthritis. I know what works for him, but I'm not sure I would feel confident enough to give advice to someone else who's horse suffers the same.
There are definitely some people whose advice I would take on board more quickly than others. However, I am continuously surprised by some of the good ideas that people come up with and there is a whole load of stuff that I have either adopted as being a good idea, or have stored for future use. I love recommendations on bits of kit and venues etc.
Most of the info I have picked up has not been from questions I have asked, but from reading other posts. In that way you can find out stuff you didn't even know you needed to know!
I'm in the "self doubter" box.
I don't claim to know it all - far from it
- but I do consider myself to have a good all round knowledge (perhaps "jack of all trades master of none" box would be better). I love to read so know more theory than I could possibly ever need. I know very little about what I would consider specialist areas - ie breeding etc.
My trouble is I don't beleive myself - which is why HHO is a great place for me. By the time I get onto HHO I've usually dealt with any problem I'm having, have got home and started to worry myself that I've screwed up! I have yet to find myself in a situation that I have got wrong - but there's a first time for everything!
I don't tend to give out advice for the reason above - I don't beleive myself so why should anyone else!
I think HHO is just like RL - you soon get a feeling for those that know their stuff and those that don't have a clue.
QR- with horses, I tthink that It is best not to give advice- but share experiences and tips so as to speak that have helped you personally, because I think everyone does things differently and horses work differently so unless there is a right and no so right thing to do (ie colic) its hard to give advice!
I do not have a clue how I am thought of on the forum.
I have been a member for quite a time but only really make a post if I feel its something that I know someone on HHO can help me with. Therefore this probably means that I would not be looking for advice from a newbie as I don't know their personal skills / experiences. However if a newbie was to post some advice I certainly wouldn't dismiss it because they are new.
I only ever reply to a post if I am sure I can give the correcvt advice which is probably why my post count remains relatively low compared to the amount of time I have been a membr. I learnt very early on as a member of HHO about posting the 'wrong' thing and got slated for a certain post that was taken the wrong way. I have learnt from this but did not take it to heart and still enjoy reading giving and gaining advice.
I would love to know what people think about me. Ireally do not give much away but would like to see if people can really tell what I am like by the small amount of posts I have made, just curious really
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Ah yes, I know what you mean re younger users.
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ooo dear!! *Hattikins goes into hiding*
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we can hide together LOL
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Nooo. not you guys. Infact I would not have guessed you to be young at all! At the moment you will be chuffed with that comment, in a few years you will want to punch me!! hahahahahaaa
Hey, See how we put "young users" in the same box. Yet a lot of HHO's younger users are knowledgable, sensible and pretty grown up. You don't need to go in to hiding, you were already disguised. LOL
I certainly don't put people in boxes but can sometimes be guilty of judging a book by its cover, if you follow? Not always but sometimes. I guess it can be easy for some of the older members on here - by old, length of time on forum, not age- to try and judge new members and their posts.
Forums like this do certainly become 'clicky' ( is that the correct phrase?) and I know that during my short time on here I have noticed it.
Yes there maybe some people on here or in life generally who view issues as black and white. Myself personally I don't. In fact the only black and white issue for me is the answers to a maths exam and even that can be a little 'grey' since the examiner will award points for working out even though the final answer is wrong.
I guess what I am trying to say is that sometimes newbies to the forum or even horse ownership/riding in general can be judged too harshly by some. At the end of the day we all had to start somewhere and it is similar to those that will moan when sat behind a learner driver at a junction, roundabout or set of traffic lights. People who drive ( myself not included sadly) often forget they were once a learner.
It is the same with owning a horse, being a mum to a new baby , owning a pet for the first time, the list goes on.
Inexperienced people should not feel shunned or embarrassed asking for help or indeed be sneered at for their lack of understanding and experience.
The very fact that these people ask for help ( no matter how trivial it may seem to those very experienced around horses) should be welcomed. Asking questions and listening to the answers is the way some people learn. Not everyone has a suitable mentor in life to point them in the right direction or show them how things should be done.
I am just one of those people myself.
I am a novice to owning horses even though I have owned a numerous amounts of pets over the years ( some needing specialist knowledge) as well as having ridden for the best part of 24 years. However I will seek advice and be happy to seek it whenever I feel I need to.
That advice can be from friends, people on the yard, the yo, vet, books, the internet and this forum.
I have a sound mind and good judgement and will only take on board advice I think will suit my situation and the care of my horses.
I think that Sooty and Dubble made some very good comments earlier. Not singling you both out by the way and I have forgotten what I was going to say about your posts now too lol. Sorry about that, but if people go back and read what they both wrote you should see that it makes very good sense.
I am also not a person who is vet, vet, vet etc and never have been. Vets can get it wrong as no-one is perfect.
I guess in life there are some of us who would know how to cope in certain situations better than others. Some have a good knowledge of first aid, some don't. I myself have a first aid qualification, first aid at work after an intensive 3 day course.
Ok it was for humans and not animals but I have been pretty good at patching up my own pets, myself and my daughter after minor injuries. If the injury was too severe then vets or doctors were involved as I would not subject anyone to unnecessary pain or expose them to risks.
I could most probably cope with basic first aid on horses but would obviously seek vet intervention if an injury was severe, or seemingly involving a tendon sheath, eyes, or any other vunerable parts of the body.
I have not experienced colic yet thankgoodness, but I am aware of the warning signs but if one my horses had signs then yes I would involve the vet.
The reason I would ask questions on here or of my friends etc is to test their knowledge and experience and to check whether my assumptions or treatments were correct.
Everyone has their own way with dealing with issues whether it be pet care, or raising a family.
There is no right or wrong way of doing so set in stone.
It is up to the individual to heed advice given and choose their own way of dealing with matters based on their own level of judgement.
I am sorry but if people cannot do that then imo they should either not own animals or have children.
Don't mean to sound horrible by saying that but you only have to read about all the cases of animal and child cruelty based on neglect and failing to understand even the basic levels of care.
Before I had the horses I had spent 18 months preparing for them( I have a very good friend who is now on the forum who would back me up on that as I have often asked her for advice, thanksx) I have been a reader of H&H for absolute years and have read horse articles, watched programmes etc about care and health issues. I buy several horse magazines and my library is full of horse books. Because I used to be a horse racing journalist as well I had to be informed of issues such as colic, tie backs, tendon injuries and so on so that if I was to ever write about such a subject or interview an owner or trainer about a horse that had endured any of the afore-mentioned I was knowledgeable to not only ask the right questions but to understand the answers I was given as well.
However I am no expert in horse care and I don't feel ashamed by saying so.
I will continue to ask questions or to offer advice based on experience or knowledge in areas that I do understand.
I personally don't have a problem with that.
Likewise if people wish to label me and put me in box I have no problems either. But what I will say is that if you were then thinking of selling me in the box you won't get much for me on ebay, too heavy to post I'm afraid, pmpl
A very good thread though Tia and thought provoking too
Cazx
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Ah yes, I know what you mean re younger users.
there are so many members out there who i think are much older than they actually are, this is because of the grown up attitude and very helpful advice they give, definatly come across older than their years
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Nooo. not you guys. Infact I would not have guessed you to be young at all! At the moment you will be chuffed with that comment, in a few years you will want to punch me!! hahahahahaaa
Hey, See how we put "young users" in the same box. Yet a lot of HHO's younger users are knowledgable, sensible and pretty grown up. You don't need to go in to hiding, you were already disguised. LOL
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thankies *creeps slowly out of hiding*
ahh but the thing is as youngsters - we can sound all knowledgeable and then get found out very easily when we put up a reply that sounds or often is ridiculous and stupid - certainly im sure ive been a culprit of that many a time!!!
Another little point is that when I got back in to riding after a 3 year break the person who taught me the most was a 14 year old girl at the yard and the pure reason for that is that she never laughed at me, never be littled me for not knowing and was always happy to help. She gave me the knowledge and ocnfidence to won my own first horse.
I owe a lot to that girl, and I have no shame in admitting it.
All in all I think it is expierience we should listen to not ages.
As some have said very thought provoking. I am guilty of putting some people in boxes but I have asked for advice on here and have put my penny worth in when I have had experience of a situation I would not claim to know everything but have a broad knowledge probably due to my advancing years but I also take advice from my 18 year old daughter as she is the rider and I am the owner but did ride in my youth and have always followed horses all my life probably due to my mother who owned and rode but I chose not to until 10 years ago. My problem is I am not here regularly enough and so dont add to posts that in my opinion have covered the subject well.