Iberian x native?

[zoon]

Does anyone have an Iberian x native (I’m thinking new forest or Connemara rather than Welsh as I don’t think that’d be the best mix!)?

Does anyone know a stud breeding Iberian crosses? Ideally a native, but would consider other crosses as long as offspring will be on the smaller size (14.2-15.2 ideally)

 

[LEC]

Have you met several of this type before? I would want to go and see several in the flesh and I would say there is a very high chance that this is not being done for a reason...

A bit like Shetland x TB, everyone always says TB is a blood improver but you never see Shetland x TB for a very valid reason. Unlike Connie x TB etc

 

[Boughtabay]

I have a PRE x Welsh - he’s marvellous, to me

he’s beautiful, expressive, powerful, very very clever and holds himself nicely completely naturally. He’s lovely to ride, calm, soft mouthed a good hack (can nap from home but i cant blame that on the breeding).

However, he’s also very emotionally expressive - they say horses have to be pushed to a limit before they express themselves loudly, he’s just loud from the off. So when he goes, he goes big & just as quickly he’s back to being cool as a cucumber. He’s also a one (two, he counts my OH) person horse loyal as can be but very suspicious of strangers. He’s exactly the sort of horse that could be passed around if he was ever sold on to someone that isn’t firm/consistent, but understanding.

I think he’s the best thing since sliced bread, he’s bursting with personality - he’s deffo marmite though in terms of horse ownership Probably just confirmed your first assumption hey

 

[Horseysheepy]

I've never come across one but it would be interesting to see some examples!

 

[NinjaPony]

I’ve often thought that PREx Connemara would be a complementary cross as they share the same roots and I’ve found some similarities between the two when riding them, but I guess there’s not much incentive other than to add some blood and power to the Connemara.

 

[HeyMich]

We have an Andalucian (sire) x IDxTB (dam) and she is amazing! She's scopey, sporty, brave, very capable and very very pretty. She's also quite highly strung and might not be everyone's cup of tea in that respect, but we love her. I'd have another Iberian x native in a heart beat.

 

[Btomkins]

I have a 15hh 3yr old Lusitano x Welsh B/Arab. Very loving, non-mareish and moves beautifully, but she is definitely sharper than my others. Groundwork going well so far and she’s a good girl, but I think actually backing and riding away may be a little bit spicy!

 

[Fraggle2]

I rode a couple of lusitano x exmoor ponies around 14hh for a long time. Very loyal hard working ponies. You did have to get them onside though. They would turn their hooves to most things. Very brave intelligent, sure footed ponies.
Absolutely loved them.

 

[shortstuff99]

You could by a purebred Iberian within that height range and then more is open to you competing wise (if that is what you are in to). I would also say that the purebred tend to be more level headed than the part breds.

There are few breeders in the UK breeding part breds but the crosses are normally to spotty horses, QHs and Rocky Mountain horses.

 

[Caol Ila]

I've wondered what a PRE x Highland would be like, lol.

There are probably reasons why most people don't do this.

 

[Goldenstar]

You just don’t know what you will get with a cross you hope to get the best of both breeds but that does not happen all that often .
ID / TB a is one of oldest riding crosses the best ones where amazing horses all the best bits of each breed but some as an example had the legs of tb and the body of ID .
Breeding crosses meant a lot of opps that did go well, warmbloods where develped by crossing and then moving on to breeding from similar horses with the characteristics you want that begins to tweak the gene pool and in time you get a type appearing .

 

[Goldenstar]

Adding pony to horse can have interesting results and you anything brillant to infuriating.

 

[DabDab]

You could by a purebred Iberian within that height range and then more is open to you competing wise (if that is what you are in to). I would also say that the purebred tend to be more level headed than the part breds.

There are few breeders in the UK breeding part breds but the crosses are normally to spotty horses, QHs and Rocky Mountain horses.

I agree, I've never found that PREs mix terribly well in the first generation of the cross... More of an idea for a long term breeding project to add a bit of PRE into another breed.

 

[setterlover]

I bred an Andalusian stallion to my x racing Thoroughbred mare.
She was of stockier type and 16.2hh he was just 15hh.She was chestnut he was red bay .
The foal is the absolute image of the stallion same colour make and markings ( white star 1 white hind sock) but matured at 16hh.
I still have him he is now 17 years old brave as a lion moves like a dream will do Spanish walk turns on the forehand and hind readily will reverse the length of the school in a perfect straight line and free schools like a dream he is better to "lunge'free than on a line will change pace and direction on a hand or verbal signals.
I love him he proved a great cross.

 

[zoon]

I have a PRE x Welsh - he’s marvellous, to me

he’s beautiful, expressive, powerful, very very clever and holds himself nicely completely naturally. He’s lovely to ride, calm, soft mouthed a good hack (can nap from home but i cant blame that on the breeding).

However, he’s also very emotionally expressive - they say horses have to be pushed to a limit before they express themselves loudly, he’s just loud from the off. So when he goes, he goes big & just as quickly he’s back to being cool as a cucumber. He’s also a one (two, he counts my OH) person horse loyal as can be but very suspicious of strangers. He’s exactly the sort of horse that could be passed around if he was ever sold on to someone that isn’t firm/consistent, but understanding.

I think he’s the best thing since sliced bread, he’s bursting with personality - he’s deffo marmite though in terms of horse ownership Probably just confirmed your first assumption hey

The emotional part was why I thought it would possibly not be the best cross!

 

[zoon]

You could by a purebred Iberian within that height range and then more is open to you competing wise (if that is what you are in to). I would also say that the purebred tend to be more level headed than the part breds.

There are few breeders in the UK breeding part breds but the crosses are normally to spotty horses, QHs and Rocky Mountain horses.

The Iberians all seem to be massive now! I’ve had a brief look (will be looking for a weanling/yearling in a couple of years, not now) and they are all to make 16hh or more

Do you know the names of the studs doing crosses you mention?

 

[zoon]

Have you met several of this type before? I would want to go and see several in the flesh and I would say there is a very high chance that this is not being done for a reason...

A bit like Shetland x TB, everyone always says TB is a blood improver but you never see Shetland x TB for a very valid reason. Unlike Connie x TB etc

This is what I’m starting to think - hence wanting to see any examples

It seems good in my head, especially with a newfie. But I’m obviously wrong!

 

[shortstuff99]

The Iberians all seem to be massive now! I’ve had a brief look (will be looking for a weanling/yearling in a couple of years, not now) and they are all to make 16hh or more

Do you know the names of the studs doing crosses you mention?

Mistrals Spanish Stud and Aztec Stud are the main ones. Maryss stud is now breeding some too.

You can definitely still get small ones as mine is probably going to finish about 15.2 and she is from Susaeta in Spain which is a big sporty stud you just have to hunt around a bit! In the UK I think the Mill Park stud have some on the more traditional smaller side.

 

[Annagain]

I rode an Adalucian x Welsh when I was younger as a favour to a friend who wanted him to jump but didn't do any jumping herself. I didn't enjoy him at all but probably not for the reasons you'd imagine! He was stuffy, very backwards thinking and pretty stubborn. He did jump but it was a real effort to convince him he wanted to or get him going forward at all, although in his defence he did have several physical issues which were probably there all along but not identified at the point I rode him. Compared to my Sec D who was about 4" smaller he also rode really small with a very short choppy stride (again possibly due to his physical issues) and a really short neck.

 

[I'm Dun]

I've wondered what a PRE x Highland would be like, lol.

There are probably reasons why most people don't do this.

My top class highland always reminded me of the old traditional PRES. I think potentially it could be a good cross, but not really needed.

 

[littleshetland]

I have a pure bred PRE....he's the best thing ever.

Just thought I'd mention it!

 

[Caol Ila]

Mistrals Spanish Stud and Aztec Stud are the main ones. Maryss stud is now breeding some too.

You can definitely still get small ones as mine is probably going to finish about 15.2 and she is from Susaeta in Spain which is a big sporty stud you just have to hunt around a bit! In the UK I think the Mill Park stud have some on the more traditional smaller side.

My mare’s breeder is in the UK and has old skool baroque ones on the small side. My horse is 15hh on her tiptoes. Suits me!

 

[Peregrine Falcon]

I would imagine breeders think it wouldn't be a great mix hence why you don't see many of them!! In my opinion you don't need to mix NF with anything. Maybe a TB for extra height if required.

 

[j1ffy]

I rode a PRExConnemara schoolmaster at Turville Valley Stud back when they were Iberian specialists (and a riding school) - I wasn't particularly well schooled myself at the time so probably not the best judge but he was lovely! I seem to recall they bred a few of that cross.

 

[Cloball]

Arab crosses are common in Spain there is a stud book for Hispano arabe. There's a Hispano Breton as well I think that's what this mare is ...

Wasn't BBP a Welsh x PRE
QH crosses I think is a US thing Aztecas?

 

[marmalade76]

I don't see the point, all the Iberians I know are small, 14.2 - 15.2 (although they ride big), and they are already quite native-like so why would you bother? A totally pointless cross if you ask me.

 

[marmalade76]

I’ve often thought that PREx Connemara would be a complementary cross as they share the same roots and I’ve found some similarities between the two when riding them, but I guess there’s not much incentive other than to add some blood and power to the Connemara.

I've kept a class 1 connie alongside a PRE and there are definitely similarities, probably too similar. I'd say you might add some flashier movement to the connie but also hotness & sensitivity and not a lot else and as both are desirable on their own, there probably wouldn't be much call for a cross.

 

[shortstuff99]

I also have a TB x PRE and she is stunning and sooo athletic! But she takes way more managing then the straight purebreds, very quick and reactive and also huge

 

[Caol Ila]

There’s a Hispano Arab a few stables down from my horses. He’s beautiful but looks a lot sharper than my purebred PRE.

 

[pistolpete]

The Hispano Arab I ride is very sensible and a perfect 15.1.