zigzag
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Weatherbys do not take passports of horses!! are you sure he is who they saying he is?? Why hasn't he been worked ? from the pics of the owner riding him, he is in a strong bridle
I'm about to buy this horse - do i need paper work?
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AmberHughes
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ive spoken to a vet and he says that its not worth it for 800 pounds just buy him and he will pop in when he can - this vet is very to the point if he thinks something he will say it he is everyones vet at the yard so im just going to buy him
how exciting!!!!!!
how exciting!!!!!!
zigzag
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What are you going to do if you end up with vet bills of £1000's you need a check on his eyes.heart, lungs etc
Parkranger
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ive spoken to a vet and he says that its not worth it for 800 pounds just buy him and he will pop in when he can - this vet is very to the point if he thinks something he will say it he is everyones vet at the yard so im just going to buy him
how exciting!!!!!!
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Is the vet going to pay your bills when he's goes lame, needs xrays etc.
I think you're making a big mistake. I hate to see people go through what I did - it's heartbreaking but luckily my horse only turned out blind in one eye - he can still be ridden.....your situation could be a whole lot different. Sorry
ive spoken to a vet and he says that its not worth it for 800 pounds just buy him and he will pop in when he can - this vet is very to the point if he thinks something he will say it he is everyones vet at the yard so im just going to buy him
how exciting!!!!!!
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Is the vet going to pay your bills when he's goes lame, needs xrays etc.
I think you're making a big mistake. I hate to see people go through what I did - it's heartbreaking but luckily my horse only turned out blind in one eye - he can still be ridden.....your situation could be a whole lot different. Sorry
wench
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He really does look like a lovely horse but I have alarm bells going off.
Please listen to the experienced people on this forum who have seen it all before.
Firstly get him vetted. Be aware that he has had tendon trouble and as such you won't be able to get insurance cover on his tendons.
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get him vetted pls! and try and get his proper passport from weatherbys. make sure you know he is the horse he is being sold as.
He really does look like a lovely horse but I have alarm bells going off.
Please listen to the experienced people on this forum who have seen it all before.
Firstly get him vetted. Be aware that he has had tendon trouble and as such you won't be able to get insurance cover on his tendons.
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get him vetted pls! and try and get his proper passport from weatherbys. make sure you know he is the horse he is being sold as.
trundle
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Amber, i don't mean to sound nasty, and i am not the world's biggest expert on horses, but when a vet says "vettings not worth it for an £800 horse", what he's actually saying is "If anything goes wrong with him, he's not worth fixing".
Are you prepared to spend a lot of money on his legs if things should go wrong, or if the worst comes to the worst, will you have him PTS if you can't afford it?
The stuff about Weatherby's taking his passport is not correct. They would never do this, as it is a legal requirement for a horse to have a passport. I think you are being taken for a ride somewhere along the line, but if you are happy to spend £800 with no further thought, the very best of luck to you !
Are you prepared to spend a lot of money on his legs if things should go wrong, or if the worst comes to the worst, will you have him PTS if you can't afford it?
The stuff about Weatherby's taking his passport is not correct. They would never do this, as it is a legal requirement for a horse to have a passport. I think you are being taken for a ride somewhere along the line, but if you are happy to spend £800 with no further thought, the very best of luck to you !
trundle
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I meant to add, are you over 18? If not, can you actually enter into a contract to buy this horse, doesn't it have to be your parents?
I could be entirely wrong here though, hopefully someone with more knowledge can correct me.
I could be entirely wrong here though, hopefully someone with more knowledge can correct me.
zigzag
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If you are desperate for a horse and want a TB why not think of going to Ascot/Doncaster sales, least you can have them vetted there
seabiscuit
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Amber-
I have had an exracehorse put down last year he was only 5 I did not have him vetted. So my own fault for buying the animal.
FOUR of my friends have had their ex racehorses put down who were also very young this is because of the damage done to them from racing.
All horses were PTS after thousands and thousands of pounds worth of investigations and treatments- a lot of vets now say that it is a very very lucky horse that comes out of racing without a problem I.E there are far and few between that show the physical effects of the damage done to them by the intense physical regime that they have to do from a young age. Unless they have been extremely well looked after.
The fact that this horse has not got his racing passport means that he was sufficiently damaged enough for his owners wishing him to never to return to the racetrack again (which would be tempting with this horse as he obv showed a bit of talent on the track)
Also the fact that the owner wants the money of you so quickly means that he could already have a bit of a leg and knows that you are inexperienced enough not to notice this ( sorry to be so rude) and wants the money before the horse starts going lame. Or something like that. Either way she wants to get rid quick!!
Just get a vetting for peace of mind. Also you cant insure him without a vetting. You def need insurance with a tb there is always going to be one prob after the other! Get another reputable vet, not with your vet who 'advised' you not to get a vetting this morning. What madness....
He looks a lovely horse BTW
I have had an exracehorse put down last year he was only 5 I did not have him vetted. So my own fault for buying the animal.
FOUR of my friends have had their ex racehorses put down who were also very young this is because of the damage done to them from racing.
All horses were PTS after thousands and thousands of pounds worth of investigations and treatments- a lot of vets now say that it is a very very lucky horse that comes out of racing without a problem I.E there are far and few between that show the physical effects of the damage done to them by the intense physical regime that they have to do from a young age. Unless they have been extremely well looked after.
The fact that this horse has not got his racing passport means that he was sufficiently damaged enough for his owners wishing him to never to return to the racetrack again (which would be tempting with this horse as he obv showed a bit of talent on the track)
Also the fact that the owner wants the money of you so quickly means that he could already have a bit of a leg and knows that you are inexperienced enough not to notice this ( sorry to be so rude) and wants the money before the horse starts going lame. Or something like that. Either way she wants to get rid quick!!
Just get a vetting for peace of mind. Also you cant insure him without a vetting. You def need insurance with a tb there is always going to be one prob after the other! Get another reputable vet, not with your vet who 'advised' you not to get a vetting this morning. What madness....
He looks a lovely horse BTW
at work
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A lot also depends on what the horse is to be used for in future. If you only want to use him for light hacking and you know he has been sound for the past month, with no problems, I don't see why you need him vetted.
You've been riding him yourself for a month, right? A vetting only says he is sound today and what potential problems the vet can spot. Even finding nothing wrong doesn't prove nothing will go wrong or give any guarantee at all for the future.
You might pay for a vetting, be told he is fine for what you want to do and still have to fork out huge amounts in 6 months or a year when something goes wrong. Knowing he has been OK for a month is about as good as it gets in terms of predicting the future.
You like him, you know he has past problems and you need to go gently - I'd buy him so long as you are happy with that.
Buying any horse, ever, is always a big risk.
You've been riding him yourself for a month, right? A vetting only says he is sound today and what potential problems the vet can spot. Even finding nothing wrong doesn't prove nothing will go wrong or give any guarantee at all for the future.
You might pay for a vetting, be told he is fine for what you want to do and still have to fork out huge amounts in 6 months or a year when something goes wrong. Knowing he has been OK for a month is about as good as it gets in terms of predicting the future.
You like him, you know he has past problems and you need to go gently - I'd buy him so long as you are happy with that.
Buying any horse, ever, is always a big risk.
sammys ma
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I think that is a very unprofessional attitude for the vet to have....and a ridiculously flippant statement he made!
Maybe it is "only £800", but that can end up being thousands of pounds in vet fees if his tendons end up knackered!
there are very rarely "bargain" horses out there, particularly one's without passports!
I think it would be very foolish of you not to proceed and get a vetting, and get to the bottom of the pasport issue.
I'm sure the last thing you want would be people saying "told you so"
Let us know how things progress.
Maybe it is "only £800", but that can end up being thousands of pounds in vet fees if his tendons end up knackered!
there are very rarely "bargain" horses out there, particularly one's without passports!
I think it would be very foolish of you not to proceed and get a vetting, and get to the bottom of the pasport issue.
I'm sure the last thing you want would be people saying "told you so"
Let us know how things progress.
HBII
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If you dont get that horse vetted then woe betide you. I dont mean to sound nasty but Ill bet my mortgage that horse will go lame not long after you buy it. It isnt like buying a car, you cant go back to the owners any vets bills will be yours to pick up. And they can cost thousands - a darn sight more than £800!
And all that carp about its passport - dont fall for it.
Save your money and buy something decent.
Hb
And all that carp about its passport - dont fall for it.
Save your money and buy something decent.
Hb
spaniel
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Amber I dont want to sound harsh but either get another vet to vet this horse, actually SEE a passport for him....OR WALK AWAY.
You are asking for trouble the way you are going at the moment. Im really sorry but if it was me in this situation I would run a mile.
You are asking for trouble the way you are going at the moment. Im really sorry but if it was me in this situation I would run a mile.
vicijp
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I used to ride that horse as a 2yo. He was an absolute machine, was left in the derby until a late stage.
Was always very fragile, broke down badly when he went jumping.
Was always very fragile, broke down badly when he went jumping.
vicijp
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Just re read the whole thread.
Cant really beleive where sucha garnd old horse has ended up.
£800? Hed have been woth £800k when he was still in the derby.
Was a magnificent beast, looks a bit ropey now.
Cant really beleive where sucha garnd old horse has ended up.
£800? Hed have been woth £800k when he was still in the derby.
Was a magnificent beast, looks a bit ropey now.
Bounty
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It's sad what becomes of them.
Hopefully if Amber decides to go ahead and buy him he'll end up with some TLC at last.
Hopefully if Amber decides to go ahead and buy him he'll end up with some TLC at last.
Parkranger
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I used to ride that horse as a 2yo. He was an absolute machine, was left in the derby until a late stage.
Was always very fragile, broke down badly when he went jumping.
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Vic - is it definately the same horse? I'm guessing you would know!
I used to ride that horse as a 2yo. He was an absolute machine, was left in the derby until a late stage.
Was always very fragile, broke down badly when he went jumping.
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Vic - is it definately the same horse? I'm guessing you would know!
AmyMay
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Do you know Amber - against everyone else's advice, I'm going to say buy him. See if you can get him for less money - offer her £500.
But if you genuinly think you can offer this lovely old fell a home for the rest of his life - and don't have massive expectations of competing every weekend I think you and he could do very well together.
My previous yard has three ex race horses - one of whom was very successful in his day. He retired due to leg problems. However, the girl that now has him just hacks around and does a little bit of this and that, and he's been fine.
I really do wish you the best of luck. And don't forget to get his passport!
But if you genuinly think you can offer this lovely old fell a home for the rest of his life - and don't have massive expectations of competing every weekend I think you and he could do very well together.
My previous yard has three ex race horses - one of whom was very successful in his day. He retired due to leg problems. However, the girl that now has him just hacks around and does a little bit of this and that, and he's been fine.
I really do wish you the best of luck. And don't forget to get his passport!
JAK
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Is this the same AmyMay we all know & love? You are going soft in your old age!
If he was kind & safe & I didn't want to do anything too strenuous with him, I'd probably buy him too though! lol
I can't believe vicijp used to ride him though, it's a small world, isn't it? I doubt she'd have made a mistake either, as despite (or maybe because of! lol) her high nicotine & caffeine intake, she usually has an excellent memory for such things!
Poor old guy, I feel kinda sorry for him now, knowing he used to really be a 'somebody'! It's kinda sad!
If he was kind & safe & I didn't want to do anything too strenuous with him, I'd probably buy him too though! lol
I can't believe vicijp used to ride him though, it's a small world, isn't it? I doubt she'd have made a mistake either, as despite (or maybe because of! lol) her high nicotine & caffeine intake, she usually has an excellent memory for such things!
Poor old guy, I feel kinda sorry for him now, knowing he used to really be a 'somebody'! It's kinda sad!
AmyMay
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Crackers isn't it????
Is this the same AmyMay we all know & love? You are going soft in your old age!
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Crackers isn't it????
AmberHughes
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ok lets start again lol
I have a passport but not his racing papers lol - racing papers were taken away so he wouldnt race again - i know nothing about racing at all
I want him for hacking and not competing so far he has been fine however I havent canetered, jumped or galloped him because i am doing road work to make his tendons hard and make him strong again and building him up because he has been turned away for 10 months because he did go lame but he was ex rayed and eqwest said that its because his feet are so near the ground he needs shoeing all the time he has soft flat feet but my farrier mac is sorting them out now so im bringing him back into work and he is already a star
I want him to love and care for and be my pet too as well as riding horse Im not interested in much else
He has a wonderful personality, he is well mannered and already follows me around without a lead rope, I feel safe on him, he has restored my confidence, I trust him and I have ridden him in woods, alone in company, in traffic, through water and he is amazing to box
I really appreciate everyones opinions
and about the vet saying its not worth the vets fee's he is to the point and prob is what he meant
I have him insured against everything though top whack so if anything does go wrong my pet plan expensive all singing all dancing insurance should cover it
What do you all think?
I have a passport but not his racing papers lol - racing papers were taken away so he wouldnt race again - i know nothing about racing at all
I want him for hacking and not competing so far he has been fine however I havent canetered, jumped or galloped him because i am doing road work to make his tendons hard and make him strong again and building him up because he has been turned away for 10 months because he did go lame but he was ex rayed and eqwest said that its because his feet are so near the ground he needs shoeing all the time he has soft flat feet but my farrier mac is sorting them out now so im bringing him back into work and he is already a star
I want him to love and care for and be my pet too as well as riding horse Im not interested in much else
He has a wonderful personality, he is well mannered and already follows me around without a lead rope, I feel safe on him, he has restored my confidence, I trust him and I have ridden him in woods, alone in company, in traffic, through water and he is amazing to box
I really appreciate everyones opinions
and about the vet saying its not worth the vets fee's he is to the point and prob is what he meant
I have him insured against everything though top whack so if anything does go wrong my pet plan expensive all singing all dancing insurance should cover it
What do you all think?
piebaldsparkle
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I think your going into it aware of potential problems, so good luck. Sounds like the horse may have landed on his feet.
JAK
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If you never want to do anything more with him than you are doing now (& I should add that having something only to love, cuddle & go for reasonably gentle hacks on is not something to be sneered at!), you will probably be fine!
However, because of what he is, you would be better off having him vetted prior to purchase, just in case, as you may find you could have problems if you DO want to do anything more with him!
Also, I would definitely canter, gallop & jump him before you do actually buy him, as apart from the soundness issue, you may well find he is quite a different horse when asked to do something more than a steady trot?
Look at the pics of him xc, he's in a (from memory, too lazy to go back & look! lol) Dutch gag & a kineton & he's pulling like a bl**dy steam train!
However, because of what he is, you would be better off having him vetted prior to purchase, just in case, as you may find you could have problems if you DO want to do anything more with him!
Also, I would definitely canter, gallop & jump him before you do actually buy him, as apart from the soundness issue, you may well find he is quite a different horse when asked to do something more than a steady trot?
Look at the pics of him xc, he's in a (from memory, too lazy to go back & look! lol) Dutch gag & a kineton & he's pulling like a bl**dy steam train!
Foxglove
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I agree with AmyMay, and if you do not want to compete he will probably suit you.
I have the same vets and they have seen enough horses to be able to advise you, but do listen to them regarding his feet
I bought an ex polo pony for £900 never had him vetted (and he looked much ropier than your ex racer). If you feel it is worth taking a risk and you have insurance to cover any problems, go for it - once you have cleared up any passport confusion!
I have the same vets and they have seen enough horses to be able to advise you, but do listen to them regarding his feet
I bought an ex polo pony for £900 never had him vetted (and he looked much ropier than your ex racer). If you feel it is worth taking a risk and you have insurance to cover any problems, go for it - once you have cleared up any passport confusion!
Parkranger
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God, I don't want to say this and please don't think I'm being a killjoy, but you have to understand that as he gets fitter, he'll probably be alot more 'fun' to ride. You may need to do a bit of schooling with him also so that he doesn't go into racehorse mode when you hit grass.
Ty was like a lost lamb when I got him, needed feeding up, fattening up etc - i couldn't believe that I'd brought a TB that behaved like a dog!
He turned into a monster over winter as he got fitter and settled in but luckily I have the support of a great lot of people who helped me through it. I've had to go back to basics and reschool to instill some manners in him!
I think everyones rooting for you but no one wants you to make a costly mistake.
I'm rambling now so I'll shut up......
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Ty was like a lost lamb when I got him, needed feeding up, fattening up etc - i couldn't believe that I'd brought a TB that behaved like a dog!
He turned into a monster over winter as he got fitter and settled in but luckily I have the support of a great lot of people who helped me through it. I've had to go back to basics and reschool to instill some manners in him!
I think everyones rooting for you but no one wants you to make a costly mistake.
I'm rambling now so I'll shut up......
xx
vicijp
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I can't believe vicijp used to ride him though, it's a small world, isn't it? I doubt she'd have made a mistake either, as despite (or maybe because of! lol) her high nicotine & caffeine intake, she usually has an excellent memory for such things!
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I put my good memory down to the Bacardi!
Yes, it definetly looks like him, has the same face. When I knew him he was more 'up and together', stronger neck etc - so he does look a bit different.
I was only 16 when I worked in that yard, and generally only the head lad and Mark Perrett(trainers oh/ex jockey/assistant trainer) used to ride him, but I used to warm him up for Sunday work when Mark was with owners. I felt so honoured and used to look forward to it all week - everyone was v. jealous!
He was always a total gentleman, even as a colt.
He would have been sold out of racing before the passport jobby came about, so I bet the old trainer has it in a draw somewhere.
I could pm OP his number if she wants.
I can't believe vicijp used to ride him though, it's a small world, isn't it? I doubt she'd have made a mistake either, as despite (or maybe because of! lol) her high nicotine & caffeine intake, she usually has an excellent memory for such things!
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I put my good memory down to the Bacardi!
Yes, it definetly looks like him, has the same face. When I knew him he was more 'up and together', stronger neck etc - so he does look a bit different.
I was only 16 when I worked in that yard, and generally only the head lad and Mark Perrett(trainers oh/ex jockey/assistant trainer) used to ride him, but I used to warm him up for Sunday work when Mark was with owners. I felt so honoured and used to look forward to it all week - everyone was v. jealous!
He was always a total gentleman, even as a colt.
He would have been sold out of racing before the passport jobby came about, so I bet the old trainer has it in a draw somewhere.
I could pm OP his number if she wants.
Jellicle
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I think that trundle is absolutely right - the vet is saying he's not worth fixing if he goes lame, so bear that in mind.
JAK is also right I think - if you have never cantered or galloped him you have no idea how strong he can be, and the photos and vicjp's description make him sound like he can be very strong indeed! In my experience they don't really get less strong as they get older, either. Absolutely your choice, but go in with your eyes open!
JAK is also right I think - if you have never cantered or galloped him you have no idea how strong he can be, and the photos and vicjp's description make him sound like he can be very strong indeed! In my experience they don't really get less strong as they get older, either. Absolutely your choice, but go in with your eyes open!
Bounty
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Go on...take the risk!
If he is a lamb with you at the moment and you have a great relationship established then I don't think he'll turn into too much of a monster once he's fitter, especially as Vicijp says he always was a gent.
If it's any consolation one of my mares (Tills) cost me less than £1000 and was a hatrack when we bought her *didn't have her vetted as we knew she wouldn't pass!
* She turned into my horse of a lifetime, and stayed sound enough to play hard polocrosse for the next 5 years. As long as you are aware of his downfalls and treat him with consideration, you'll be fine.
Best of luck with him, I hope you are both very happy together (though I think we all know that he won't believe his luck to have ended up with you!!!)
If he is a lamb with you at the moment and you have a great relationship established then I don't think he'll turn into too much of a monster once he's fitter, especially as Vicijp says he always was a gent.
If it's any consolation one of my mares (Tills) cost me less than £1000 and was a hatrack when we bought her *didn't have her vetted as we knew she wouldn't pass!
Best of luck with him, I hope you are both very happy together (though I think we all know that he won't believe his luck to have ended up with you!!!)
Parkranger
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If he is a lamb with you at the moment and you have a great relationship established then I don't think he'll turn into too much of a monster once he's fitter, especially as Vicijp says he always was a gent.
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Vicjp is a very experienced horsewoman though!
Most TB's are different once they're fit and why not? They feel healthier etc. and want to flex their muscles a bit more....
I suppose it's all down to how he was broken/brought on as to whether he'll have manners on grass etc!
At the end of the day, Amber knows the horse better than anyone on here - I wish them both all the luck in the world! x
If he is a lamb with you at the moment and you have a great relationship established then I don't think he'll turn into too much of a monster once he's fitter, especially as Vicijp says he always was a gent.
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Vicjp is a very experienced horsewoman though!
Most TB's are different once they're fit and why not? They feel healthier etc. and want to flex their muscles a bit more....
I suppose it's all down to how he was broken/brought on as to whether he'll have manners on grass etc!
At the end of the day, Amber knows the horse better than anyone on here - I wish them both all the luck in the world! x
jumpthemoon
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I think you should buy him
He looks and sounds like a real sweetie and if he goes lame and can't be ridden I'll have him off you and he can keep my ex racer company!!
In all seriousness, you seem aware that there may be problems and as long as you take that on board and don't push him too hard you should get along ok. At least he will be looked after and cared for and if he is anything like my mare he will love the attention!
Good luck to both of you and i hope it all works out for you
He looks and sounds like a real sweetie and if he goes lame and can't be ridden I'll have him off you and he can keep my ex racer company!!
Good luck to both of you and i hope it all works out for you