I'm Bloody Fuming

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Owner came to collect pony just now (see loan post below) and I asked her why she wanted him this w/e. It turns out she is taking him to Stockton Lovell XC for a little girl who always used to ride him - I can't bloody believe it. I told her that never before have I encountered a loan arrangement where the pony keeps going back nor was I happy to be paying for and keeping a pony fit and in good condition for someone else to compete. She says she wants him again in November and I told her we have lots of rallies and a small fun show in November.

I am seriously going to discuss this situation with my daughter and I think we might be on the look out for another pony. (preferrably one that is not vicious in the field!)
 
she should understand that its not fair on your daughter to put all the work in and then have him taken away for someone else to enjoy. I hope you sort it out, good luck.
 
I'm not surprised. Are you insuring the pony or is the owner? if you are point out to the owner that the pony is not insured if it's not you or your daughter on board. And if the pony goes lame when she takes it off on one of her jaunts then she will have to pay for any veterinary/remedial work that may need doing to put the pony right. And if she collects it to take it off for someone else to ride then she must return it. How bloody inconsiderate of her and how heartbreaking for your daughter.
 
I would, however, a loan is a loan - and therefore the horse is still the property of the owner. What does your loan agreement say?

I can totally see your point however, I would think it was really annouing too, especially if you were told that they were picking the pony up. However if they asked in a polite manner and gave you plenty of notice I really dont see the problem, you were the one that said yes! You could have said "I'm sorry, we planned to go to so and so show and the pony is not available"

If you are not happy I would start looking for a new pony. However if this pony is good I would bite the bullet and stick with it - good loan ponys cant be easy to find.
 
Oh dear. This sounds the oddest sort of loan I have ever heard of, very upsetting for you and your daughter.
Personally, I would tell her not to bother returning it, explain the situation to your daughter and start looking for another pony pronto.
 
I agree with what you are saying FF - would I be breaking my nose to spite my face? The pony is good and in a polite and jolly manner I think I have put across how I feel uncomfortable about the arrangement. I think we will have to discuss it long and hard over the weekend.
 
That is so below the belt, not at all what loaning should be about. Sounds like she is using you for a free livery service when it suits her to me.
I echo about the insurance though if you pay it, I'd also be telling her that if it is injured in any way while with her that she tends to it before returning him, why should you have to pick up the pieces, that's not fair at all?

ps: thanks for the cheque, came this morning so hope you keep the pony!
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Yes do that, maybe the owner just does not consider you/your daughter. Yes it is upsetting however I would rather sacrifice a good pony that me/my child has built a relationship with for a day and have a good pony the rest of the month than give it back and struggle to find something as good.

I would approach this in a calm and polite manner with the owner - dont let it decend into a row, calmly say, perhaps, I am happy for the horse to go in November to the rally (or whatever it is) however I am a little uncomfortable with it as it seems my daughter is keeping the horse fit for others to compete. Perhaps say that in the new year you would appreciate it if the requests were only made in an emergency (such as lame horse and entry fee's paid, pony club tests or something) and that you came to an agreement that your daughter allways has prioroty and if you say no it will be accepted without malace.

I think to just say "they are being unfair!" is justified however there are ways around it which will keep everyone happy - your daughter being the main one. x

PS I dont believe we have ever agreed on anything before! hehe!
 
Sorry FF. Can't agree with you on this. Either the pony is on loan or it isn't. My son's old pony is on loan to the riding school, he rides her on lessons and I still pay the same price as everyone else having lessons, despite being the owner of the pony.
 
Now I have read the other post, she is REALLY taking the piss. If the pony was not fit before you had it, then why the hell should she now benefit from correct management of feed and exercise. If she pays for the pony in any way, then perhaps she may feel entitled to use it now and again, but if you pay 100% for the pony, then she should just bog off and get real.
 
I know I thought about that - Also we nearly agreed to have another forum members pony prior to this but changed our minds for this one - probably the wrong decision!!

I am in Somerset (Exmoor)
 
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Sorry FF. Can't agree with you on this. Either the pony is on loan or it isn't. My son's old pony is on loan to the riding school, he rides her on lessons and I still pay the same price as everyone else having lessons, despite being the owner of the pony.

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Really>? Why does your son not just have the pony?
I know I know but sometimes it is better to think of a way around things without falling out and telling people to bugger off becasue they are not thinking!
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I would explain to the owner that you still want to loan the pony, but not under these circumstances. If she can't agree to your terms cut your losses and find another pony.

I had a horse on loan a few years ago. I got back from holiday, rushed up to the yard to see him, only to find his owner had taken him competing as her other horse was lame. He really was my dream horse but I just couldn't cope with the feeling that she would help herself at any time so I ended up giving him back.
 
Ah you'll be too far unfortunately for the pony I know as she wants him to stay locally
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I hope you get this all sorted. I just wouldn't dream of doing this to my loaners. The horse is theirs in all but name as far as I'm concerned, and as long as they stick to the contract I leave them alone. I've only been to see him once in 2 months!
 
No. You've been so unlucky to end up with an owner like this one though. It must be so confusing for the pony as well!

I thought I'd taken all my adverts down (obviously not...) and two months or so on I'm still getting calls about my boy. Seems as though it's really hard to find something decent to loan
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I feel very sorry for your daughter, and I agree, this owner is taking the wotsit big time, I know that when you loan a horse the owner always has the option to come and take it back - but not like this. She is stringing you along, and using you for free schooling and livery. Good ponies ARE hard to find, but not impossible, so I think you and your daughter would be best advised to cut your losses on this one and start looking for another pony sharpish. Put the word about at PC for starters.
 
I think unless is was specified at the start of the loan, or the agreement has been altered and you have agreed to it, then they are taking liberties.
Approach them and explain how you feel and see if you can reach some sort of mutual agreement. Perhaps they pay so much towards shoeing/livery everytime they wish to use her.
 
It's not right of the owner to take the pony back whenever she feels like it. Like someone else said, you are keeping it fit and sane for someone else to have fun on - perhaps you could charge the owner for the time you spent schooling the pony so it was able to compete?!

I loan my mare out, but I pay for the insurance, wormers, vets bills and a bit towards livery on the understanding that I have the last word in what she does. If my loanee wants to do anything with the horse she must ok it with me first. However, I would never take the horse back for someone else to ride whenever it suited me, and always clear it with my loanee if I want to have a little ride. The owner of your pony is showing you no consideration and that's not fair.
 
Hi, I would be fuming, it sounds like this woman has used you to keep the pony fit so she can use it when she wants.

I am experiencing hitches as a loanee, again, and have to say I have not come across many loan arrangements which suit both parties. My pony is on loan to someone else and I have just started riding him twice a week (on days when the girl who loans him doesnt ride) This is because she isnt riding him as she should, doesnt do enough schooling or jumping practice, yet still wishes to compete SJ where she has on more than 1 occasion shown herself and the pony up at due to lack of practice.
If there is any objection to this, there hasnt been yet, then I will take the pony back full time. I feel I am. justified in riding him occasionally as I pay for his joint supplement and have just bought his rugs and cleaned his filthy tack
 
I said on the other thread, this is a share, not a loan. I'd expect a contribution to costs if this was to continue, and a clear signed agreement about use and access to the pony. But what I'd do in real life is tell them not to bring him back.
Also, you mentioned them shoeing their own horses. Unless they are qualified farriers this is illegal in the UK.
 
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