in foal do you think?

Phone around several vets to get the best price for your scan when you can afford it, the price difference is tremendous I had prices vary from £95.00 to £250
 
Spring Feather said:
Actually thinking about it I probably wouldn't bother having her scanned at this stage. You won't see anything and it's expense you can do without OP. I'd just have her palpated.
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thats where they just stick their arm up isnt it? cant remember the proper name for it but thats whats shes going to do anyway :)
 
If you have missed the critical early scan which will show up twins (which, btw is not totally accurate as I have a mare scanned at that stage showing not in foal.............. and her lovely now 5 month old foal...) What is the point of scanning? She is either in foal or she isn't. Time will tell.

And to those who see fit to criticise, as was mentioned above, s***t happens and we cannot organise our lives imagining every possible outcome otherwise we would never do anything.
 
Optimist said:
If you have missed the critical early scan which will show up twins (which, btw is not totally accurate as I have a mare scanned at that stage showing not in foal.............. and her lovely now 5 month old foal...) What is the point of scanning? She is either in foal or she isn't. Time will tell.

And to those who see fit to criticise, as was mentioned above, s***t happens and we cannot organise our lives imagining every possible outcome otherwise we would never do anything.
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id like to know either way ideally, i hate guessing!
 
Having been through the heartbreak of twinning ( despite 3 scans, they can be missed on occasion ) i would not wish it upon any horse, ever.

You owe it to your mare to have had her scanned. I hope to god you dont lose her if she has twinned. 5 months you say? thats a mighty big belly for 5 months. I would be suspicious.

Sorry, i find the whole thing irresponsible. Scanning isnt colic surgury and that kind of money can and should be found, for the MARES sake.


Also i agree, no point scanning now, you wont see anything.
 
this is her about 6/8 weeks ago, and this is a normal shape for her, she is a large mare anyway who is not in work and hasnt been for a long time. so i dont think her shape is amzingly different in the two pics?

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digitalangel said:
Having been through the heartbreak of twinning ( despite 3 scans, they can be missed on occasion ) i would not wish it upon any horse, ever.

You owe it to your mare to have had her scanned. I hope to god you dont lose her if she has twinned. 5 months you say? thats a mighty big belly for 5 months. I would be suspicious.

Sorry, i find the whole thing irresponsible. Scanning isnt colic surgury and that kind of money can and should be found, for the MARES sake.


Also i agree, no point scanning now, you wont see anything.
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^^ this, perfectly.

for both your sakes I hope if she is in then you've been lucky, but for future OP please get her scanned for twinning no matter what- otherwise you'll be kicking yourself if the worst comes to the worst and you lose not only both the foals but your mare too

good luck, hopefully you'll be lucky!! :)
 
Dear Astra

Your horses and foals in your signature are grand, so sorry to hear off your situation change and good that it will pick up in the future.

Please take no notice of these negative folk you come across to me as a very resoponsible person who has just had a bit of bad luck could happen to us all.

Hope all goes well for you
 
Natz88 said:
She looks in foal, she looks lovely. Can I ask if you can't afford to have her scanned why did you put her in foal?
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i do agree with this. However i did go back and re read the thread.

I understand that circumstances Change and your income is tight at the moment but how long have you been in the situation. Scans are not expensive and this was important. You should have made sure you had the money because for the sake of £60. You could potentially lose your mare. (worst case scenario)
 
Looks in foal to me.

But would like to know for piece of mind, and would have the vet to give her a manual check if nothing else.
 
Just out of interest what's the likelihood of twinning? Is there any figures out there? I thought it was mainly Arabs and highly bred horses that twinned.

As you can tell I don't have any experience of breeding. I did know someone who's horse had twins that birthed fine but one of the twins had to be pts after the mother stood on it.
 
I understand your circumstances changed after the mare was covered - But, would the vets not let you in installments if you explained? surely they would have the mares best interests at heart? Do you not have a savings account for the foaling - things can and do often go wrong with expensive outcomes so surely someone would plan for this? The mare should have been scanned months ago - how long ago had you income changed?


Anyway like others have said there's no point dwelling on what has been done. If she has foaled easily before then fingers crossed for you both.
 
scrunchie said:
Just out of interest what's the likelihood of twinning? Is there any figures out there? I thought it was mainly Arabs and highly bred horses that twinned.

As you can tell I don't have any experience of breeding. I did know someone who's horse had twins that birthed fine but one of the twins had to be pts after the mother stood on it.
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I read somewhere that something like 10% of pregnancies start off as twins, but often one foetus is reabsorbed by the mare.. not sure how accurate that is. But I also read that of those pregnancies where twins are carried until the end, only 1 in 10,000 result in a live birth.

Again cannot vouch for the accuracy of these stats.

OP, I hope your situation improves soon. I understand that you are planning to scan as soon as you can. Good luck to you and your girl.
 
OP, your mare may or may not be in foal but I'm sure all will be fine either way, her previous foal is beautiful. You must be doing something right!

You're not the only one to not get mares scanned, it's not always accurate anyway. I'll probably get shot down in flames now as well! :rolleyes:

It's sad that people can't start a simple thread without all the nasty replies.
I doubt I will ever start a new topic here due to this. There are other forums which are much more welcoming!
 
I have read the whole thread and I'm sorry that your circumstances have changed but if you haven't enough even for a scan things must off been pretty tight before. I ended up with £1500 bill after my mare lost her foal at 9 months and that was to save my mare. If you had no savings or little money before than you shouldn't really have put your mare in foal
 
thatsmygirl said:
I have read the whole thread and I'm sorry that your circumstances have changed but if you haven't enough even for a scan things must off been pretty tight before. I ended up with £1500 bill after my mare lost her foal at 9 months and that was to save my mare. If you had no savings or little money before than you shouldn't really have put your mare in foal
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don't you think these lectures are a little pointless now - stable? Horse? bolted?

Not a lot she can do about the situation now is it. Sometimes s**t happens!!! How do you know she hasn't had to put a relative in a home or been diagnosed with some kind of illness that prevented her working and has eaten into those savings? Do you know this? No, you don't know. It's happened, she's come on here for advice and all she's got is lectures and horrible comments. Surely if she was THAT irresponsible she wouldn't have bothered asking on here in the first place.


Sorry it'smygirl - i understand it must've been very difficult for you when you nearly lost your mare and it's why you feel so strongly about it but there're so many people that are so quick to judge others on here without knowing the back ground and it's bloomin ridiculous!
 
PooJay said:
don't you think these lectures are a little pointless now - stable? Horse? bolted?

Not a lot she can do about the situation now is it. Sometimes s**t happens!!! How do you know she hasn't had to put a relative in a home or been diagnosed with some kind of illness that prevented her working and has eaten into those savings? Do you know this? No, you don't know. It's happened, she's come on here for advice and all she's got is lectures and horrible comments. Surely if she was THAT irresponsible she wouldn't have bothered asking on here in the first place.
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^^ This.
 
PooJay said:
don't you think these lectures are a little pointless now - stable? Horse? bolted?
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This is quite true in the OP's case. On the other hand, lots of other people read these threads so there is some point in getting the message across: If you're really determined to breed a foal, (bearing in mind the number of unwanted horses these days) please be financially prepared. Have some cash put away to cover essentials before you send your mare to stud. Circumstances can change, you could lose your job, etc.

OP I'm not getting at you. You're doing your best for your mare under the circumstances. It's too late to preach at you what you might have done differently. I wish you & you mare all the best.
 
Natz88 said:
She looks in foal, she looks lovely. Can I ask if you can't afford to have her scanned why did you put her in foal?
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This was my reply & I just want to let you know I was not being a b*tch by replying with this as I am not out to upset, offend or judge anyone I was just askign the question, so I do apologise if it has annoyed you.

This is not me sucking up, I just don't want to be seen as a b*tchy person for asking a question
 
FionaM12 said:
This is quite true in the OP's case. On the other hand, lots of other people read these threads so there is some point in getting the message across: If you're really determined to breed a foal, (bearing in mind the number of unwanted horses these days) please be financially prepared. Have some cash put away to cover essentials before you send your mare to stud. Circumstances can change, you could lose your job, etc.

Agreed to a point (i think the level of harshness in some responses is totally uncalled for though) however, if someone has a tendency for irresponsibility regarding horses i very much doubt a group of faceless people they're never likely to meet from cyber space are going to have an impact on the decisions they make.
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PooJay said:
Agreed to a point (i think the level of harshness in some responses is totally uncalled for though) however, if someone has a tendency for irresponsibility regarding horses i very much doubt a group of faceless people they're never likely to meet from cyber space are going to have an impact on the decisions they make.
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But if the problem isn't wilful irresponsibility but ignorance it can be very useful! There are a lot of people on here who do not have extensive experience with horses, or perhaps not with one aspect of horsecare such as breeding, and this forum is a valuable learning tool. I know I learn lots from it. Threads like this usually include some good information, e.g. when and why we scan mares, or how long after gelding to turn out with mares...

If you post on a public forum you don't have any right to dictate what answers and opinions you receive, I personally don't think anyone has been particularly rude on here and most people have all wished the horse well. That doesn't mean they agree with what you are doing and they have every right to express that opinion.

:)
 
Agreed to a point (i think the level of harshness in some responses is totally uncalled for though) however, if someone has a tendency for irresponsibility regarding horses i very much doubt a group of faceless people they're never likely to meet from cyber space are going to have an impact on the decisions they make.
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You're probably right there, but there's no harm in trying. :)
 
rhino said:
But if the problem isn't wilful irresponsibility but ignorance it can be very useful! There are a lot of people on here who do not have extensive experience with horses, or perhaps not with one aspect of horsecare such as breeding, and this forum is a valuable learning tool. I know I learn lots from it. Threads like this usually include some good information, e.g. when and why we scan mares, or how long after gelding to turn out with mares...

If you post on a public forum you don't have any right to dictate what answers and opinions you receive, I personally don't think anyone has been particularly rude on here and most people have all wished the horse well. That doesn't mean they agree with what you are doing and they have every right to express that opinion.

:)
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Of course, information on some forums is extremely useful and people can respond in whatever wau they want - however if people do respond in a rude and aggressive manner (Lionman being my example on this particular thread) do you not think that it might put people off asking questions in future, just in case they get shot down and made to look stupid?

Surely it makes more sense to respond nicely to someone (for the welfare of the horses involved) so they don't feel intimidated about asking the next time they need help?
 
PooJay said:
don't you think these lectures are a little pointless now - stable? Horse? bolted?

Not a lot she can do about the situation now is it. Sometimes s**t happens!!! How do you know she hasn't had to put a relative in a home or been diagnosed with some kind of illness that prevented her working and has eaten into those savings? Do you know this? No, you don't know. It's happened, she's come on here for advice and all she's got is lectures and horrible comments. Surely if she was THAT irresponsible she wouldn't have bothered asking on here in the first place.


Sorry it'smygirl - i understand it must've been very difficult for you when you nearly lost your mare and it's why you feel so strongly about it but there're so many people that are so quick to judge others on here without knowing the back ground and it's bloomin ridiculous!
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I agree with this. There's no need for some of the comments made on here.

OP I think it's difficult to tell if your mares pregnant at the moment as she has a rather large build anyway ;), but fingers crossed for you that your job sorts itself out for you and everything is fine with the pregnancy :)
 
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