Incident with land owner - WWYD?

littlelegs said:
Oh good, loving horseriders take on right to roam. Does it apply to the arena near me, I fancy using it free of charge? Also an adventure playground I take daughter to, every time I'm there I find myself eyeing up the strides to logs, ditches, banks etc. If park keeper objects or the guy that owns the arena I have the right to defend myself!
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haha, i keep eyeing up the local golf courses. they look good for a jolly round. :)
 
RunToEarth said:
the land owner grabbed the horse's rein, I don't believe that is assault, and the rider reacted by hitting the land owner with a whip to the extent he has visible whelps, is this a reasonable way to react. I too have come across violence with Sans out hunting and had little difficulty walking my horse free on their grasp. Threatening behaviour does not beget physically striking someone numerous times with a whip, does it?
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OK, but he could of been lying? He was a man in a field behaving aggressively and perhaps her horse wasn't so well schooled to push on and away? I for one would of been terrified and if he had behaved like that towards me or my horse, I would of done something/anything tbh.
 
I've been reading this with interest. Some replies surprise me. One says that the rider was not being restrained, the horse was and the rider could have got off. Really? Would the LO have kept hold of the horse (who was hardly likely to answer his question) or gone after the rider (now even more vulnerable on foot)?

There's lots of mention of damage to land. The OP does not say she was damaging land so it's a bit of a leap to say she was.

My OH's advice, should I or my horse be restrained (it amounts to the same thing in my eyes) is not to use the floppy end of the whip. No. Turn it around and crack them round the head with the hard end. Hasten to add I don't ride where I shouldn't and never carry a whip.

I'll now quote my OH directly, please don't shoot the messenger! "So some geezer forcibly stops her from leaving which means he's starting a fight, gets his ass whooped by a woman then goes bleating to the rozzers - what a 'pet cat' (my interpretation of his rather more colourful term)".
 
Just so you all know the other side of the story;


The farmer in question is a gentleman who is old enough to be the grandfather to a grown up grand child.

He is very nice and he is horsey and understanding. If asked for permission to ride on the land it would have been granted. No such permission was sought.

He really is covered in whip marks.

The OP has a bit of a rep for being an inconsiderate hacker.

Make of that what you will. I think the OP should consider themselves lucky they haven't been charged with assault and should damn well know better than to go riding on private land without asking first.
 
jesstickle said:
Just so you all know the other side of the story;


The farmer in question is a gentleman who is old enough to be the grandfather to a grown up grand child.

He is very nice and he is horsey and understanding. If asked for permission to ride on the land it would have been granted. No such permission was sought.

He really is covered in whip marks.

The OP has a bit of a rep for being an inconsiderate hacker.

Make of that what you will. I think the OP should consider themselves lucky they haven't been charged with assault and should damn well know better than to go riding on private land without asking first.
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hmm, I wonder if perhaps the OP should consider apologising
 
paulineh said:
Oh what the internet can do.
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Well, in fairness it is only my opinion that he is nice and I don't know him as a best friend but he was never anything other than polite to me when I dropped said grandchild home from work...

And no, I didn't get the other side of the story from the grandchild.
 
Blurr said:
I've been reading this with interest. Some replies surprise me. One says that the rider was not being restrained, the horse was and the rider could have got off. Really? Would the LO have kept hold of the horse (who was hardly likely to answer his question) or gone after the rider (now even more vulnerable on foot)?
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what I actually said was that it didn't amount to false imprisonment, slightly different
 
Blurr said:
There's lots of mention of damage to land. The OP does not say she was damaging land so it's a bit of a leap to say she was.
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Is it? It's been very wet for the past couple of weeks in East Anglia, and even walking on grass margins, crop fields, hay fields etc will cause damage - and we have no reason to believe the OP limited herself to walk. She was certainly happy to gallop off after the incident.


Ah Jess, I knew someone would come along sooner or later with the other side to the story.
 
Intentional Harassment, Alarm or Distress
Public Order Act 1986, s4A(1)

“A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, OR displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.”

Points to prove:

S4A(1)(a)

Used threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour OR used disorderly behaviour

Towards another person

With intent to cause harassment/alarm/distress

And caused that/another person

Harassment/alarm/distress

S4A(1)(b)

Displayed threatening/abusive/insulting writing/sign/other visual representation

With intent to cause a person harassment/alarm/distress

And caused that/another person

Harassment/alarm/distress

Sentence:

Summary

6 months
 
kateo said:
what I actually said was that it didn't amount to false imprisonment, slightly different
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sorry, I couldn't remember which page you'd said this on so couldn't directly quote. Would it be false imprisonment if she got off the horse and then he held her and wouldn't let her go?

Don't think Jesstickle has actually give the other side of the story, a) because she's not him and b) because she wasn't actually there. If he really is covered in whip marks I don't understand why the police aren't going to press charges for AOABH as from the this new report the incident falls well outside the scope for restorative justice.

In the meantime, a reportedly polite nice horsey grandfather thought that the solution to remove a horse riding tresspasser from his land was to grab hold of the reins and prevent them from leaving.
 
Blurr said:
sorry, I couldn't remember which page you'd said this on so couldn't directly quote. Would it be false imprisonment if she got off the horse and then he held her and wouldn't let her go?

Don't think Jesstickle has actually give the other side of the story, a) because she's not him and b) because she wasn't actually there. If he really is covered in whip marks I don't understand why the police aren't going to press charges for AOABH as from the this new report the incident falls well outside the scope for restorative justice.

In the meantime, a reportedly polite nice horsey grandfather thought that the solution to remove a horse riding tresspasser from his land was to grab hold of the reins and prevent them from leaving.
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Well, the story I got came straight from him via one other very, very reliable source. That's probably about as close to the other side of it as you're going to get.

And I do know the opinion of the local villager's of the OPs habits of riding on the pavements and all over the nicely mown grass outside people's houses.

There was even a cartoon about the OP put up in the local pub to this effect :rolleyes:
 
jesstickle said:
And I do know the opinion of the local villager's of the OPs habits of riding on the pavements and all over the nicely mown grass outside people's houses.

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Would that be part of their gardens or the grass verges they have chosen to claim :rolleyes:


jesstickle said:
There was even a cartoon about the OP put up in the local pub to this effect :rolleyes:
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What a lovely community, thats out and out bullying :mad:
 
Even op stated he held the reins & asked for her details, it was only her refusal that prompted him to shout. And afaik, the injured party would have to agree to press charges, I'm sure in this type of situation it can't be done without him agreeing.
I'd still love to know what all those in support of ops actions would do if they found someone riding round their horses field. In all honesty, if I was churning up your horses winter grazing would you all just happily leave me to it? Or would you be pretty annoyed?
Glad Jesstickle has got the otherside, maybe we can stop implying op was defending herself from a madman intent on assault or worse now.
 
rockysmum said:
What a lovely community, thats out and out bullying :mad:
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No it isn't. The landlady's dad draws them of everyone. They're just little caricatures he does of people done in a perfectly good hearted way. Most people take them entirely in the nature they're intended. I'm sure most people who live there have had one done of them at some point.

ETS: and how do you excuse riding on the pavement seeing as you're hell bent on taking the OP's side?
 
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jesstickle said:
No it isn't. The landlady's dad draws them of everyone. They're just little caricatures he does of people done in a perfectly good hearted way. Most people take them entirely in the nature they're intended.
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Well if it was a good hearted joke which the OP shared, I fail to see why you mentioned it as part of your "evidence"

Most likely the OP was not happy about it. School yard bully behaviour if he doesn't have their permission
 
RM, just because it wasn't meant offensively doesn't mean it doesn't illustrate the OP's reputation for being inconsiderate in where she chooses to ride - which is highly relevant given that this thread is about her trespassing!
 
rockysmum said:
Well if it was a good hearted joke which the OP shared, I fail to see why you mentioned it as part of your "evidence"

Most likely the OP was not happy about it. School yard bully behaviour if he doesn't have their permission
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Do you write to every newspaper to complain about their satirical drawings too :rolleyes: Jeez, what's with the 'bully' card being drawn at every conceivable opportunity on here :confused:
 
rockysmum said:
Would that be part of their gardens or the grass verges they have chosen to claim :rolleyes:
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Doesn't matter if they legally own it or not. It's extremely bad manners to make a mess of public ground that's been cared for, be that the local football patch, the sports field or the mowed grass outside poeple's houses. If you truely feel it's acceptable to make hoof marks all over publicly cared-for land, no wonder so many people don't like horse riders!

I walked the (barefoot) horse down a wide stretch of council mowned grass between streets this evening. Turns out there's a boggy patch in it and we made a couple of deep footprints. I felt awful! :o
 
rockysmum said:
Well if it was a good hearted joke which the OP shared, I fail to see why you mentioned it as part of your "evidence"

Most likely the OP was not happy about it. School yard bully behaviour if he doesn't have their permission
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well, I believe OP still uses the pub so can't be too offended eh?

And he's an old guy with a gently mocking sense of humour. Bullying is repeated and target unpleasantness, not a one off joke.

I take real umbrage with the way bully is bandied about on this forum!
 
jesstickle said:
ETS: and how do you excuse riding on the pavement seeing as you're hell bent on taking the OP's side?
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Actually I'm not, I was trying to restore some balance to this thread.

Bottom line is they both appear to have behaved in a dreadful manner.

OP for trespassing. Other guy for not identifying himself as the land owner, restraining the horse, shouting and threatening. And then OP again for hitting out.

I wouldn't trespass, but some guy doing that would scare the hell out of me. How many random assaults and murders do you have to see in the press before it would scare you lot :confused:

I do blame the OP for trespass but not for being scared, it doesn't sound like she knew this man which in a smaller community is unusual.
 
jesstickle said:
Bullying is repeated and target unpleasantness, not a one off joke.
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I actually prefer this definition of bullying, perhaps puts your earlier post in a different light

Bullying can take many forms: from teasing and spreading rumours to pushing someone around and causing physical harm. It often happens in front of other people.

It includes name calling, mocking, kicking, taking belongings, writing or drawing offensive graffiti, messing around with people’s belongings, gossiping, excluding people from groups, and threatening others.
 
Well to be fair rm, we do live by a prison so I guess he could have been a lunatic or an axe murderer :D It wouldn't be the first thing I'd assume but hey. I was brought up to know that if you trespass you get chased by pissed off farmers ;)
 
rhino said:
Snap!

Also a bit too much daily mail type reading I think; since when did every man become an axe murderer/rapist/barefooter/parellier... (I may have gone off on a slight tangent there, oh well ;) )
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Actually I would think any man (or woman :p) who tried to restrain my horse, likely to practice any of those abuses :D
 
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