Injured Horse because of Stupid, Irresponsible Sharer!! *rant*

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This isn't my horse, by the way, but a friend of mine.

She took on a sharer about three months ago for her Section D. From the outset, she informed the sharer that the horse was NEVER to be jumped, as it has arthritis, and also that only the sharer was ever permitted to ride the horse. She had a comprehensive Share Agreement, including these stipulations drawn up, signed and witnessed by two independent witnesses.

At first all was fine. Two weeks ago my friend went down to the yard to ride her horse, to find him absolutely dog lame. Called vet. Vet said that there was heat and swelling in both lower legs and pasterns, confused as to what this could be, as obviously not a strain or a knock in the field. Advised bute and box rest for a week.

Yesterday, my friend was approached by another livery on the yard, who asked her if she thought it was possible for the horse's lameness to be as a result of her sharer's SIXTEEN STONE boyfriend riding him two weeks ago, plus the fact that following this, on the same night, he had been jumped over a fence over at least three feet for over an HOUR!!!

Absolutely and understandably bloody livid, friend went round to see sharer, who at first denied all knowledge of this, but confronted with the evidence that she had been seen (she thought that she was alone on the yard at the time, apparently) she admitted it. My friend's poor horse, who is a Section D of 14.2 hh had done over two hours work, firstly carrying a sixteen stone LARDARSE who had never ridden a horse in his entire sorry life for nearly an hour in walk and trot (the numpty couldn't canter) and then jumped by the sharer when he was absolutely exhausted and not supposed to be bloody jumping anyway.

My poor friend is devastated. She has phoned her vet and told him that she believes that this is the reason for her horse being now chronically lame and presently, doesn't show any signs of coming sound yet. He is on two bute a day at the moment and the vet has advised box rest for at least the next month.

The sharer has been given her marching orders but my friend is now stuck with a badly lame horse on box rest (who is incidentally on full livery) and a string of vet's bills to pay. Given the fact that the sharer has clearly breached the terms of the share agreement, is there anything that my friend can do, to recoup some of the money that she is having to spend? She has asked the sharer for a contribution only to be told by her obese excuse of a boyfiend to f**k off.

I really feel for her. She only started to share her horse as a favour to this girl, who is a friend of her sisters - she didn't need a sharer to ride as he is full livery and the yard do it, and now she has been let down in the worst possible way.
 

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thats so bad
the sharer has broken the contract, so i would think she would have to pay some if not all of the vets bill
 

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I would ask the person who reported the incident to her, if she would be willing to put it in writing. I would also ask the sharer to pay for the vet's bill and livery while the horse cannot be worked . Then if she refuses I would get some legal advice, she will neeed some evidence, but I hope this all gets sorted .
Poor horse
 

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Does the contract say anything about vets costs? In theory she could go after her for the money, but that won't solve the problem

This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.
 

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I think she would need to have evidence, and if the person at the yard is prepared to put it in writing then this will help a lot. If you can do this then i would get some legal advice.

How heartbreaking for your friend though, poor pony!!
 

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bluddy hell fruddy - i would be seriously peed off if i was the owner. One of mines on share and i would not be happy with anyone else riding him except the specified sharer.
Has the stupid girl not even offered to help out with the vets bills?
 

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thats awful!!!!
i would speak to citizens advice to see where she stands....get all evidence documented and see where she stands legally.
i would think the sharere should pay at least the vets bills as she has caused the poor horse's injury and is definatley in breech of the contract, therefore...responsible!
good luck to her.
 

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thats terrible
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stupid sharer
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You could take her to small claims court to make her pay the vet bills and maybe some of the full livery fees?
 

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How awful for your friend, I wish the pony a full recovery.

Just a thought, I wonder why the person who saw this going on for *2 hours* as you say didn't step in and actually say something to stop it though.
 

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I would simply itemise all the vets bills and medication and then once the horse has become sound again go through the small claims court to recover the money. Send the agreement and witness's statement to the court.

Alternatively you could always seek the advice of a specialist equine solicitor.
 

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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

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A tad harsh do you not think? So this one person was a bit of a half wit and didn't do as she was told (can I ask if it was explained to her why she was the only person who could ride and why he wasn't allowed to jump? She could have been unaware she risked hurting the horse?) but there are plenty of people out there who share and loan horses happily.

Various horses at my yard are shared and they get the best treatment and all the attention they could want! I have had horses on loan before and I was MORE careful with them than I am with my own horse as I would die if I had to explain an injury to the owner.
 

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Having been in a similar situation before, with an allegedly experienced person I would advise she just puts it down to experience.

I too was livid when this happened to me and was out of pocket to the tune of almost £600. Not to mention loosing a friend.

On the plus side I still have my beloved horse.

The stress of pursuing any kind of claim is simply not worth it IMO.
 

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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

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A tad harsh do you not think? So this one person was a bit of a half wit and didn't do as she was told (can I ask if it was explained to her why she was the only person who could ride and why he wasn't allowed to jump? She could have been unaware she risked hurting the horse?) but there are plenty of people out there who share and loan horses happily.

Various horses at my yard are shared and they get the best treatment and all the attention they could want! I have had horses on loan before and I was MORE careful with them than I am with my own horse as I would die if I had to explain an injury to the owner.

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True, but you are obviously knowledgeable. I have a girl that rides one of my horses and have told her at least 5 times not to ride down a seriously muddy/boggy bridleyway. Horse is now off with a strain because she carried on doing it anyway without my knowledge!

I do feel for your friend, and I think she should definitely seek to get her vets fees back.
 

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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

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A tad harsh do you not think?

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I agree. Don't tar everyone with the same brush. When I did shares/loans I would never have dreamed of treating the horse any differently to the way I treat my own now and would never have done anything against the owner's wishes.

It is a real shame that not everyone feels that way and this girl has behaved deplorably. If she had any decency she would offer help with the vets bills - but then if she had any decency she wouldn't have done it in the first place. I hope there is a way of getting her to pay, and I do hope your friend's horse improves soon.
 

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<font color="blue">This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t. </font>

Oooooo. May I politely take exception to this, please? Our pony (and a few others we have been graciously lent) has never wanted for any piece of equipment, attention to health - vet, dentist or farrier and has always had the utmost attention paid to the owner's requests and conditions. I may be in the minority, although I'd like to think there are plenty more out there, and if it hadn't been for wonderful people trusting us to take proper care of their much loved ponies, we wouldn't have enjoyed the rich and exhilarating experiences we have and are still enjoying today
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When the original loan pony looked like generating a vet's bill of around £3k, we were handed ownership (and her at 26, too)
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Happily the tab was only £1k and she's still here today - having just had the dentist and farrier
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I think a whole set of references and a jolly tight contract would be an absolute minimum. Oh, and I found a good loan home for my mare - in fact an excellent one and I have no regrets about that decision, either.
 

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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

above isnt always true! i have a fab sharer!
guess there are good and bad ones, your poor friend is better off without this one. soundslike she might have to put it down to experiance.
 

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I would speak to Citizens advice, whats the point in having a contract if you cant do anything with it? I wish your horse a speedy recovery..poor thing..
 

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I really don't know, to be honest, but I would imagine she thought that my friend knew all about it.... admittedly its far to long to be working a horse in one go but the yard that she stables on is quite small and everyone more or less keeps themselves to themselves and don't get involved with each other's horses...
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Damage is done now though.
 

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Ps - i am also a sharer and i treat him with as much care and respect as i would if he were my own. and respect the owners wishes and ways she wishes him to be treated.
I had loaned my pony out in the past with full rugs tack etc etc when she came home fit happy and healthy with all her tack..
I would not do something like the person above and do not think it is fair to tar everyone with the same brush...
 

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I really don't know, to be honest, but I would imagine she thought that my friend knew all about it.... admittedly its far to long to be working a horse in one go but the yard that she stables on is quite small and everyone more or less keeps themselves to themselves and don't get involved with each other's horses...
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That seems ashame, especially as you say the horse was on full livery you'd like to think the staff knew a little bit about the horses condition and care, enough to step in anyway and check.

I really hope your friend gets it sorted her poor horse gets better soon.
 

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I would speak to citizens advise and get a statement from the person who saw it to wite a statement she should be able to recoup the vets fees at least tell her good luck and I hope the pony gets better
 

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I must admit, I would be tempted to go through the small claims court too. The loanee has blatently ignored the terms of the contract, and then lied about what had gone on too. Sadly, I've seen this before when a friend loaned her young gelding with strict conditions and the teenage sharer ignored it and had her buddies hammer the pony too. In another case, the loaner said she had years of experience, but when we watched her ride, it clearly wasn't the case. Personally, I treat any horse I handle or ride exactly like I do my own mare. It seems that so many people treat with contempt, what they haven't paid for.
 

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I think you need to consider what the loan agreement said first. If it explicitly states what the horse can be used for i.e. only her riding and no jumping, then she has breached a material term and must pay damages. In this case I would say this was the vets bill + cost of hiring a horse for the time the horse is unridden (doubt you would get livery bills as they are a fixed cost regardless of whether horse sound or not). If the horse is then unable to be ridden, I would also claim the cost of the horse.

Sounds like a case for the small claims court. She can draft the claim form herself if she wants to keep costs down (they arent recoverable in the small claims court).
 

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I think it's totally disgusting and at the end of the day apart from breaching terms of the contract the sharer (I assume) would have known the reason why the horse wasn't supposed to jump and she put the horse at risk anyway
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I'm not a sharer but I school horses for other people and I would never dream of going against their wishes or the constraints of what the horse could do. Poor horsey! I hope your friend can get the sharer to cover vets bills at the very least.
 

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My comments are not harsh - just because you people on the forum, who in general are interested to learn, dedicated to your horses and general concerned about their welfare, does not mean you are the majority.

In fact most people who use this forum, are not the norm, as otherwise we wouldn't read the rants and think been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So in general - if you let people borrown your things, be it horse or general stuff, you shouldn't be surprised if it all goes wrong.

In my experience people treat something they own and pay for much better, than something they can hand back when it all goes wrong.
 

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I'd also like to add to my last post that I now have a wonderful sharer who doesn't contribute cost wise but contributes in so many other ways.

I don't know your friend but remember it's not always about the money!!
 

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So this one person was a bit of a half wit and didn't do as she was told (can I ask if it was explained to her why she was the only person who could ride and why he wasn't allowed to jump? .

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Im sorry but if I had a horse on loan/share and it said in the contract I couldn't jump it (or anything else) then I would not do it whether it was explained to me why or not. The owner obviously has a reason why they do not want it to do that certain activity whether it is just their choice or because of a possible injury.
I think anyone who respects the owner would not do it regardless of whether they know the reason behind it or not IMO!
 
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