Injured Horse because of Stupid, Irresponsible Sharer!! *rant*

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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

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A tad harsh do you not think? So this one person was a bit of a half wit and didn't do as she was told (can I ask if it was explained to her why she was the only person who could ride and why he wasn't allowed to jump? She could have been unaware she risked hurting the horse?) but there are plenty of people out there who share and loan horses happily.



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Hang on, whether or not it was explained to her why she was the only person to ride is besides the point here - it was clearly written into the Agreement that this was the case and she went directly against the owner's wishes - not only that - she put a huge fat novice onto a 14.2 pony for heavens sake!! Common sense??? I know for a fact that his arthritis was explained as the reason for him not being able to jump. I think you are totally missing the point here.
 
I'm with Silverspring on this. I am a loanee of a lovely little TB and I can state categorically that he is cared for every bit as much, and maybe more, than if he was my own. They have entrusted their precious boy to me because of varying forms of ill health, and I wouldn't dream of letting them or myself down. Not all loanees and sharers are bad.
 
She almost certainly has grounds to sue for breach of contract and can recover any losses flowing from the breach.

Probably including compensation for loss of use.

Get legal advice through one of the helplines attached to your insurance or BHS membership. Alternatively contact one of the specialist equine solicitors. Citizen's advice may not be best equiped to deal with this as it is beyond the sort of thing they are normally involved in.

Good luck to her!!

And please don't tar all sharers/loaners with the same brush, I've always been very responsible and careful with other peoples horses. I would love to share again but there are limited opportunities because these bad experiences put people off looking for a sharer.
 
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My comments are not harsh - just because you people on the forum, who in general are interested to learn, dedicated to your horses and general concerned about their welfare, does not mean you are the majority.

In fact most people who use this forum, are not the norm, as otherwise we wouldn't read the rants and think been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So in general - if you let people borrown your things, be it horse or general stuff, you shouldn't be surprised if it all goes wrong.

In my experience people treat something they own and pay for much better, than something they can hand back when it all goes wrong.

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but her sharer WAS PAYING TO SHARE THE HORSE - she wasn't "borrowing it" as you put it - it was a share contract properly entered into, with stipulations as to what could or could not be done with the horse! I hardly think then that it is fair to say that my friend should "not be surprised when things have gone wrong??"
 
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My comments are not harsh - just because you people on the forum, who in general are interested to learn, dedicated to your horses and general concerned about their welfare, does not mean you are the majority.

In fact most people who use this forum, are not the norm, as otherwise we wouldn't read the rants and think been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So in general - if you let people borrown your things, be it horse or general stuff, you shouldn't be surprised if it all goes wrong.

In my experience people treat something they own and pay for much better, than something they can hand back when it all goes wrong.

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Sorry you are still being overly harsh!!!
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Either that or you know some horrid people. If i borrow anything I treat it as well if not better than I would if it was mine, it is common courtesy! And i'd feel awful explaining the damage to the owner. The same principle applies for a cheap item like a paperback book or a t-shirt as well as expensive items like
someone's car, horse or house!!
 
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My comments are not harsh - just because you people on the forum, who in general are interested to learn, dedicated to your horses and general concerned about their welfare, does not mean you are the majority.

In fact most people who use this forum, are not the norm, as otherwise we wouldn't read the rants and think been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So in general - if you let people borrown your things, be it horse or general stuff, you shouldn't be surprised if it all goes wrong.

In my experience people treat something they own and pay for much better, than something they can hand back when it all goes wrong.

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NONSENSE! Im a sharer and treat my share horse probably better than if he was my own, you just CANNOT generalise like that about people who share/loan horses!

I would also hazard a guess that a majority of horse owners/sharers ARE not useless numpties who break ponies willy nilly, and that the people on here DO represent the norm when it comes to horse owners!

To the OP, how blumming awful!! Could you talk to the frined who's sister it is and maybe get her to explain more clearly that she needs to be involved in the payment of the vets bills?
 
Could be my area - we wanted to put my 14.1hh saint of a pony on loan. A family who were very interested, we and told them she wasn't fit and couldn't do pony club camp (2 weeks time after being off for a year).

Needless to say we found out she had been booked in for camp and had to go and retrieve here before they did damage.

I have a very jaded view of people, as people never tell you when they break stuff when hiring jumps & Xcountry, items on livery yard. Everything I have leant has either not come back or come back damaged.
 
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My comments are not harsh - just because you people on the forum, who in general are interested to learn, dedicated to your horses and general concerned about their welfare, does not mean you are the majority.

In fact most people who use this forum, are not the norm, as otherwise we wouldn't read the rants and think been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So in general - if you let people borrown your things, be it horse or general stuff, you shouldn't be surprised if it all goes wrong.

In my experience people treat something they own and pay for much better, than something they can hand back when it all goes wrong.

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NONSENSE! Im a sharer and treat my share horse probably better than if he was my own, you just CANNOT generalise like that about people who share/loan horses!

I would also hazard a guess that a majority of horse owners/sharers ARE not useless numpties who break ponies willy nilly, and that the people on here DO represent the norm when it comes to horse owners!

To the OP, how blumming awful!! Could you talk to the frined who's sister it is and maybe get her to explain more clearly that she needs to be involved in the payment of the vets bills?

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agree with this, when i shared a horse i was terrified of "breaking" him, i was far more cautious and careful with him then i ever am with my own boys now as i was so scared of injuring him and having to explain it to his owner.
 
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Could be my area - we wanted to put my 14.1hh saint of a pony on loan. A family who were very interested, we and told them she wasn't fit and couldn't do pony club camp (2 weeks time after being off for a year).

Needless to say we found out she had been booked in for camp and had to go and retrieve here before they did damage.

I have a very jaded view of people, as people never tell you when they break stuff when hiring jumps & Xcountry, items on livery yard. Everything I have leant has either not come back or come back damaged.

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So is this based on one experience of loaning a horse?
I don't deny that there are people out there who behave badly when they share or loan a horse, but there are some very good people around too. I guess the hard bit about loaning or sharing is finding the good ones.
 
Im sticking up for CotswoldSJ here!! - Having just had my pride and joy of a horse lent to familly friends daughter for camp only for him to be hammered to bits! - he home and is sound now thank goodness but is sore on hard ground and has legs like tree trucks, this has been my bad experence!

Im not saying that all sharers and loaners are like this - I ride other peoples horses and im even more anal and perdantic about them than I am my own (& my standards are pretty high!)

In answer to this RANT - I feel awfully for your friend as I know how hurtful it is (I am footing my horses injury bills) and how disgusted I am by their actions and lack of respect for the horse, try the small claims courts? - esp if the "whitness" is prepared to testify. I hope it goes well!
 
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I think you are totally missing the point here.

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I don't think I am, I agree that this girl was a half wit and went against what she had been explicitly told not to do but I find people follow rules if they are given a reason to do so. You say she was told so she's obviously a very horrible person for doing this to the horse knowing full well he was unfit to jump or carry heavy people but at the time I didn't know that, my comment was giving her the benefit of the doubt. I'm that sort of person, I try to see things from both side, sorry if that offends you.
 
It sounds like they just thought about themselves at the time, got carried away with the moment, no one is around, we'll do what we like type of thing.

I doubt they would of perhaps rode the pony like they did if they knew exactly why they were not supposed to jump it etc.

But that is no excuse, again they did the exact opposite of what was stated in black and white, they only have themselves to blame.

If they have any shred of decency in their bodies, they would cough up and gladly pay towards the treatment without a doubt, specially if it was stated in the agreement that vet fee's are shared etc,

If not then you might have a battle on your hands, as someone would need to prove that it was their riding that day/evening that caused the injury... that could be their argument perhaps?

Not a good situation to be in and I do feel for your friend, I trust your friend (although angry and quite rightly so) approached them in a calm and friendly manor (or so be it) when asking for them to contribute and explain what had happened? just wondering why on earth they would be so rude in their reply and not want to help out with the costs and indeed apologise for what they had done, unless there just plain nasty pieces of work, in which I'd just wash my hands of them.
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Hope something works out and your friends pony recovers.
 
Can I ask what the vet specifically has diagnosed the horse with if he doesn't believe the injury was sustained by a strain or knock?

Sharer was quite out of order regardless, and I would be irritated too. These things do happen though - one of my horses was being ridden by a numpty who galloped him through a field. Horse fell down hole and subsequently became hopping lame. Finally made vet x-ray and horse was found to have broken his cannon bone. I've had many vet expenses since this happened, however I still have the numpty here and there are no hard feelings, it's just one of those things. In your friends sharers situation however, she blatantly broke the rules of the contract and as such I do believe some form of monetary recompense is valid.
 
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This is one of the many reasons never to loan or share. Whether its a horse or a bit of equipment etc, when people don't have to pay for it, they treat them like sh*t.

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No WAY!!! lol sorry
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Not everyone is the same. I have loved all the horses I have loaned like my own and cried over every one of them when it was time for them to go back.
I bought the veteran I used to ride: knee boots, got her vaccinated and insured even though this wasn't a stipulation etc etc. I only see her once a month now but I am keeping her insurance going cos if I didn't pay for it she wouldn't be insured and I still love her even though I am not with her.
If anything I think I am more over protective as she wasn't mine.

Some of us are nice!
 
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It sounds like they just thought about themselves at the time, got carried away with the moment, no one is around, we'll do what we like type of thing.

I doubt they would of perhaps rode the pony like they did if they knew exactly why they were not supposed to jump it etc.

But that is no excuse, again they did the exact opposite of what was stated in black and white, they only have themselves to blame.

If they have any shred of decency in their bodies, they would cough up and gladly pay towards the treatment without a doubt, specially if it was stated in the agreement that vet fee's are shared etc,

If not then you might have a battle on your hands, as someone would need to prove that it was their riding that day/evening that caused the injury... that could be their argument perhaps?

Not a good situation to be in and I do feel for your friend, I trust your friend (although angry and quite rightly so) approached them in a calm and friendly manor (or so be it) when asking for them to contribute and explain what had happened? just wondering why on earth they would be so rude in their reply and not want to help out with the costs and indeed apologise for what they had done, unless there just plain nasty pieces of work, in which I'd just wash my hands of them.
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Hope something works out and your friends pony recovers.

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But as I've stated before - she clearly told the sharer that the horse had sodding RINGBONE for gods sake and that's why he couldn't be jumped!!!
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Sorry - I'm getting too heated in my replies but I fail to see how anyone can find any possible excuse for what has been done to her horse, blatently, behind her back, even with a clearly defined share agreement.
 
The loaner was a prat! She jumped the horse knowing full well it wasn't allowed to be jumped and knowing the reason and let a big numpty rider on poor little pony with bad legs. Having signed an agreement she obviously knew it wasn't a matter to be taken lightly but did it anyway. I think loaner needs to be 'taught a lesson' and taken to court probably being forced to pay vet fees and hopefully she won't do it again.
 
Kenzo - she did ask her sharer for a contribution in a calm and friendly manner - but the fact of the matter is that her sharer actually didn't think that she had done anything wrong - DESPITE the fact that she had flouted the agreement and put a huge fat man on her horse without her permission and then jumped the poor bugger to within an inch of his life. She had been told that she was no longer welcome at the yard as a sharer, which I think is more than justified - if it had been my horse she had done this to I would probably have lamped her one and chucked on the sodding muckheap! Sharer was obviously peeved off about being binned and her boyfriend told my friend and I quote:-

"If you think we're paying anything to get that cripped f***king nag treated, then you can f**k right off - it ought to be sent to the f**king glue factory.

Enough said, I think.
 
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her boyfriend told my friend and I quote:-

"If you think we're paying anything to get that cripped f***king nag treated, then you can f**k right off - it ought to be sent to the f**king glue factory.

Enough said, I think.

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I can think of someone that needs to go to the glue factory and it isnt the horse!
 
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What did the vet diagnose being wrong with the horse, specifically?

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Well he was diagnosed with ringbone two years ago but has been sound and in work for eighteen months (with the help of supplements) so the vet was a little puzzled as to how he could have gone from sound to so badly lame overnight. Obviously, as soon as he found out what had been done with him, he just said that his pasterns have been dreadfully overstressed with the hour's jumping (not to mention lardy on board) and had caused vast inflammation.
 
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tia, she said ringbone or is that not specific enough?

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No. I was asking what the horse had been diagnosed with when the lameness showed up, not any underlying issues which have been around previously.
 
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Sorry - I'm getting too heated in my replies but I fail to see how anyone can find any possible excuse for what has been done to her horse, blatently, behind her back, even with a clearly defined share agreement.

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There is no excuse. Even if she hadn't known what the problem was, the fact that the owner had specified no jumping should have been enough. The fact that she knew the reason why and still jumped him makes it even worse.

The girl and her boyfriend sound a charming pair.
 
I wonder then, if your friend might consider going down the route of x-rays to see if any damage has been done to the ossification of the ringbone?

My XC horse had ringbone and was always perfectly sound and competed over 3'6" XC courses at least twice a week, usually 3 times per week, for years. However his ringbone was totally fused and had been for years. I am wondering whether your friends horse has perhaps done damage because the bones have not yet fused properly? X-rays would be useful to her at this stage if this is the case.
 
Just to add; when xrays were recently taken of my horse who suffered the broken cannon bone, it showed why the horse has been almost sound for a year and why suddenly he went down hopping lame - we could see that the cannon bone had fused nicely, but then the silly sod went jollying around the field one day, the xrays then showed that the calcification had snapped during this moment of play. So now I am waiting for it to finally heal again.
 
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It sounds like they just thought about themselves at the time, got carried away with the moment, no one is around, we'll do what we like type of thing.

I doubt they would of perhaps rode the pony like they did if they knew exactly why they were not supposed to jump it etc.

But that is no excuse, again they did the exact opposite of what was stated in black and white, they only have themselves to blame.

If they have any shred of decency in their bodies, they would cough up and gladly pay towards the treatment without a doubt, specially if it was stated in the agreement that vet fee's are shared etc,

If not then you might have a battle on your hands, as someone would need to prove that it was their riding that day/evening that caused the injury... that could be their argument perhaps?

Not a good situation to be in and I do feel for your friend, I trust your friend (although angry and quite rightly so) approached them in a calm and friendly manor (or so be it) when asking for them to contribute and explain what had happened? just wondering why on earth they would be so rude in their reply and not want to help out with the costs and indeed apologise for what they had done, unless there just plain nasty pieces of work, in which I'd just wash my hands of them.
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Hope something works out and your friends pony recovers.

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But as I've stated before - she clearly told the sharer that the horse had sodding RINGBONE for gods sake and that's why he couldn't be jumped!!!
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Sorry - I'm getting too heated in my replies but I fail to see how anyone can find any possible excuse for what has been done to her horse, blatently, behind her back, even with a clearly defined share agreement.

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I totally agree with you, no excuse whatsoever, I would be incandescent with rage if some numpty had broken one of my precious girls by way of their own complete and utter disregard for the horse. If I were your friend I would most certainly look down the legal route, whether they were told the reasons for not jumping etc is beside the point, the contract clearly states no jumping and they broke it.

Hope the poor neddie recovers soon.
 
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