Insurance not paying out- please help

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I’ve got an issue with my insurance company refusing to pay a claim and landing me with a huge bill (I’ve already paid lots of vets bill myself for my late horse). Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this.
1) My horse had KS surgery in 2021 (pre existing so wasn’t insured, I funded the surgery)
2) 3 months after surgery I decided to call one of the big insurance companies to see if cover was worthwhile. I assumed they would exclude everything that could be connected to KS (Si/psd/hocks..) but thought it was worth researching.
3) spent ages on the phone while they spoke to underwriters and was told yes SI and hocks, neck, suspensories were all covered (he’d never been diagnosed with these) just the back excluded. I was shocked at this cover so decided to go ahead (at a high premium)
4) 3 months later (after taking out cover) my horse had canter issues which were totally new. Looked like Si. Called ins co and they said yes SI is covered as long as vet says it’s separate to the KS
5) spoke to vets and told them that I’m insured but not for the back so if any treatment/diagnosis looks like it’s the back that I don’t want to run up another huge bill and need to be very cautious (having already paid them £6k KS surgery myself).
6) Horse went in for work up. Before diagnostics the vet said “yes looks like SI”. I again explained I’m not insured for the back. She said “don’t worry it’s separate” she wanted to scan then inject so again I said are you sure you think I’ll be insured. She said yes. My friend who was with me said “can’t you just inject the SI to lower the cost” and the vet said she wanted to scan as should be under insurance.
7) Scan showed bony changes to SI joint and intertransverse joints and was injected

insurance company have now said they won’t pay because my horse has been diagnosed with “back pain” and the back is excluded. He didn’t go in with back pain, he had issues engaging the hind end.
So I feel like I’ve been left between a rock and a hard place really. The ins co didn’t tell me claims would be difficult to prove not connected to KS when I took out cover (I’ve paid almost as much in premiums as the SI vets bill!!). The vet kept reassuring me it was separate and would be insured and ran up a big bill doing every scan and treatment possible, now she’s told the insurance company the diagnosis is back pain! Had I know there were doubts about the cover I wouldn’t have taken it out and would’ve self insured and had I know I’d be paying this bill myself I would’ve asked to not to scan and just inject (cut corners for a cheaper bill rather than act like there is a blank cheque!!). The treatment wasn’t successful anyway and my horse was PTS anyway making this all so much harder (I’m £10k in debt for vets bills).

do I have any recourse with the vet or insurance co? I know ultimately this is my responsibility but feel a bit mislead on both sides. Thanks
 
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The short, short answer is I don’t know. If you have documentation from the insurer both stating that they will insure certain bits and then contradictory docs from them saying they won’t pay out, I’d think you could raise a case with the insurance ombudsman. On a similar note, if you’ve got conflicting documentation from the vet, you could approach their governing body?

Has a letter been sent from the vet stating that the two conditions are unrelated?

ETA: you may be able to get a refund of insurance fees If the product was deemed to be unsuitable and didn’t meet your needs. You may still be out of pocket, but could put this towards paying the vet? I know my own vets would be bending over backwards to help me out in this situation.
 

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It sounds like the issue has arisen as somewhere on some form the vet has written back pain in relation to the claim. Could you ask them to write to the insurance company and explain that this was an error and incorrect or do they now consider back pain to be the issue?
It could be something as simple as a junior person in the vets filling out the form inaccurately.
A diagnosis can't be back pain, surely that is a symptom ??

Do you have anything in writing? it looks from the way it is written that this was all calls - which are harder to prove - but insurance co should have recordings. I would certainly request those so you have some evidence of who said what to whom if you want to go down the ombudsman route.
 

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The issue is your vet has written 'back pain'.

I agree with PM. Your vet needs to speak to your insurance company and say that the conditions are not related and it was a mistake to write back pain.

Who are you insured with?

Normally all they need is the vet to say that the conditions are separate which they should do. You won't need to 'prove' the conditions are unrelated.

ETA it was very stupid of your vet to write 'back pain' (although of course could have been someone else), especially when you had been so worried about it being excluded from the offset. But I do think it's a miscommunication and your vet should be on your side in this. If she says the conditions are unrelated, the insurance company will pay out.
 

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The short, short answer is I don’t know. If you have documentation from the insurer both stating that they will insure certain bits and then contradictory docs from them saying they won’t pay out, I’d think you could raise a case with the insurance ombudsman. On a similar note, if you’ve got conflicting documentation from the vet, you could approach their governing body?

Has a letter been sent from the vet stating that the two conditions are unrelated?

ETA: you may be able to get a refund of insurance fees If the product was deemed to be unsuitable and didn’t meet your needs. You may still be out of pocket, but could put this towards paying the vet? I know my own vets would be bending over backwards to help me out in this situation.
Thanks MG. I’ve paid almost as much in premiums as the claim :-( so would be happy with a refund of premiums
 

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The issue is your vet has written 'back pain'.

I agree with PM. Your vet needs to speak to your insurance company and say that the conditions are not related and it was a mistake to write back pain.

Who are you insured with?

Normally all they need is the vet to say that the conditions are separate which they should do. You won't need to 'prove' the conditions are unrelated.

ETA it was very stupid of your vet to write 'back pain' (although of course could have been someone else), especially when you had been so worried about it being excluded from the offset. But I do think it's a miscommunication and your vet should be on your side in this. If she says the conditions are unrelated, the insurance company will pay out.
I agree. She seemed totally on my side then after running up a huge bill wasn’t so keen and took months to return paperwork etc to the ins co. My horse palpated as sore on the day behind the saddle however he was in a lot of work and most horses get tight in the back! All the paperwork I had from the vet said SI dysfunction as the diagnosis
 

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It sounds like the issue has arisen as somewhere on some form the vet has written back pain in relation to the claim. Could you ask them to write to the insurance company and explain that this was an error and incorrect or do they now consider back pain to be the issue?
It could be something as simple as a junior person in the vets filling out the form inaccurately.
A diagnosis can't be back pain, surely that is a symptom ??

Do you have anything in writing? it looks from the way it is written that this was all calls - which are harder to prove - but insurance co should have recordings. I would certainly request those so you have some evidence of who said what to whom if you want to go down the ombudsman route.
All calls sadly but the policy docs say the back is excluded (says nothing about any other skeletal areas). I don’t want to name the co in case it’s outing but it’s one of the biggest insurers (hence why I thought they’d be fair)
 

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Thanks everyone for replying. Getting this bill feels like the final kick in the teeth after such a rubbish year (KS surgery, colic, then SI issues that never came right then PTS). I’ll be paying these vets fees off for years and I have no horse :-(
 

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The sad thing is, I was totally prepared to not insure by horse after KS surgery because KS is major so I doubted an insurer would take that on. It was only after reassurance from said ins co that I thought cover could be worth it :-/
 

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really sorry you're in this position.
nothing to add to the suggestions above. are you on good terms with the vet still? is it worth asking them to write some clarification to the insurers?
 

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The sad thing is, I was totally prepared to not insure by horse after KS surgery because KS is major so I doubted an insurer would take that on. It was only after reassurance from said ins co that I thought cover could be worth it :-/
...and that’s exactly what you need to say to the insurer (in writing) when disputing why they’re not accepting the claim.
 

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All calls sadly but the policy docs say the back is excluded (says nothing about any other skeletal areas). I don’t want to name the co in case it’s outing but it’s one of the biggest insurers (hence why I thought they’d be fair)

Agree you should ask for the calls to be listened to by a manager and ask for copies.

It *could* fall under misselling?

I'd join BHS gold and call their legal helpline
 

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Thanks everyone for replying. Getting this bill feels like the final kick in the teeth after such a rubbish year (KS surgery, colic, then SI issues that never came right then PTS). I’ll be paying these vets fees off for years and I have no horse :-(

Really sorry to hear it, such a stressful position to be in.

I am one of the minority who have had a good experience with my insurance company touch wood, and actually had the exact same problem as you - KS wasn’t insured but I had other problems which could have been seen as related including PSD and hocks.

The only change is my vet noted the conditions as what they were and clarified to the insurance company when they asked, that the conditions were not related to the horse’s KS.

So I don’t necessarily think this is the insurance company doing wrong, they are going on what they have been told. I would be tempted to explain to them what has happened after asking your vet multiple times whether the conditions are related, and say you will be asking your vet to get in touch.
 

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If ive read this correctly the insurance hasnt been miss-sold. They said that the back was excluded and it was/is. The issue (from what i can see) is that the vet wrote 'back' on there forms and so rightly it was rejected.

I think you just need to speak to the vets, they should re-issue the doc's or see if they can split the invoice for 'back' and SI investigations.
 
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