Interesting idea for EMS/Laminitics

[Zuzan]

Booked a double appointment, but still, protein didn't come up as a subject!!!!

To be honest vets aren't the best nutritionists.. it is a science in itself .. there are independent equine nutritionists out there that aren't locked into a feed company. Highly recommend if in doubt bringing in nutritionist.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I feed decent quantities of Forageplus pea protein (80 % protein) and micronised linseed (23% protein) to both of my Cushing's mares. It has significantly aided their top lines.

The FP Top Line Plus is cheaper than the pea protein, as it is bulked out with potato protein. Whether that is a good or a bad thing, I don't know. I was feeding Isolate Whey Protein (90% protein) to start with, which is excellent but very spendy long term.

As with anything, changing a horse's diet needs careful managing and monitoring in case of unexpected reactions.

I can confirm as someone who has successfully lost a stack of weight recently myself that upping my protein intake has been most efficacious. That is not a secret known only to Noom users . Though I agree that the 'a calorie is a calorie' and low fat obsessed human diets often skim over protein requirements .

 

[Red-1]

I can confirm as someone who has successfully lost a stack of weight recently myself that upping my protein intake has been most efficacious. That is not a secret known only to Noom users . Though I agree that the 'a calorie is a calorie' and low fat obsessed human diets often skim over protein requirements .

Ha, I agree, but they taught me more than that. It has been funny that people always ask, "What did you learn?" and there is so much that you can't just say. Protein was one component. Noom is where I learned that particular one. Other sources of information are available More information that simply protein is necessary.

(ETA, as I tuck into my Huel pea protein shake, after a run LOL).

 

[hollyandivy123]

every horse i have predominately used soaked hay on i have always added back to their diet, its a mix a make myself, basic vitamins, linseed and yea-Sacc

thank you for flagging this, i might re adjust the yea-sacc

 

[Tiddlypom]

ETA, as I tuck into my Huel pea protein shake, after a run LOL).

I have managed to consume zero protein shakes so far, though I did buy a large pot of protein shake mix and a shaker a while ago! I prefer to eat my protein as actual food, though if needs must for my last half stone, I will... .

 

[Red-1]

I have managed to consume zero protein shakes so far, though I did buy a large pot of protein shake mix and a shaker a while ago! I prefer to eat my protein as actual food, though if needs must for my last half stone, I will....

The whey ones made me feel nauseous. Thought it was a waste of time. The Huel ones are ace. Just means I can have a 90 calorie shake and not feel hungry, so I don't make a silly food choice. I only have them after exercise, as an addition, and still have the proper meals.

 

[I'm Dun]

Anything I have that is a good doer lives out on a track, gets a small feed with a no iron,, high copper and zinc and vitamin e balancer and a large dose of amino acids. I use triaminos from progressive earth as its much cheaper than forage plus. They also get small amounts of linseed and a dose of salt. Works brilliantly. I wont have horses hungry, and keeping them in a stable makes keeping weight off even harder as they dont move.

 

[Renvers]

Since having Rigsby, I have learned more about EMS and laminitis than I ever imagined. It has, by enlarge, been a success. He was dieted, under vets supervision, and then tested on the caro sugar test as able to have sugars, EMS reading down from in the hundreds to in the teens. We got him up to 4 hours in a field muzzled, 1 hour not, and called it good for the year as he is now back on hardstanding whilst we transfer from soaked hay to high fibre haylage.

I have been uneasy though. He is often hungry. I am in loads of FB groups, and it is generally accepted that EMS/laminitic horses have to be hungry. I have fed straw as a belly filler, which helps, but then the straw is full of chemicals, so not ideal.

I read a post on one of the FB groups last night, saying that the owner had contacted Forage Plus for advice. They advised to use Topline Plus balancer. The owner was alarmed, surely that would bring on lami? The nutritionist said not, that horses on a soaked hay/light diet needed protein to stop feeling hungry.

It was like a light bulb!

On another thread I started, I charted my success with the Noom program. I had already lost a stack of weight by myself, but had stuck ay 11 1/2 stone. Using Noom, I have smashed it. Down to 9st3lbs. The strange thing is, it felt effortless. I was never hungry. The secret? Amongst a lot of other stuff, I had increased my protein. When I was stuck, extra protein had unstuck me. The Forage Plus thing made complete sense to me.

But, I fear lami with Rigsby, so would no way simply follow a random FB post for advice.

I headed over to the web page, and yes, the product does say it is suitable for laminitics.

I went to a lecture by Sarah (?) from Forage Plus and it was fascinating. I have never yet had a horse with either EMS or Laminitis but her approach was really interesting and seemed counter intuitive at first but she backed it up with stats and evidence as the talk progressed.

I have started to feed their Winter balancer and horses are all looking well.

 

[Reacher]

I was wondering is there a reason to feed the supplement rather than just straight micronised peas (which might be more economical)? Does the supplement have more of the amino acids?

 

[Tiddlypom]

The carb content? That would be much higher in the whole pea product?

Pinched this from my human calorie counter . I have them as a treat on certain days, if I can afford them with my guidleines!

 

[Reacher]

That makes sense - silly question, sorry!
I was thinking about it for my old lady TB who lacks topline and drops weight in winter (and isn’t laminitic/ems ) .

The carb content? That would be much higher in the whole pea product?