Irresponsible Owners

So back to longlines after totally ignoring a recall this morning. Luckily, it was a nice dog they ran to see, had it been one like Zak, they’d be screwed. The nice dog was then approached by bouncy lurcher from yesterday who bowled it over, making the nice dog cry. Zero attempt at recall from the lurcher owner. Wtf?! We put a good distance between it and us.
 
maisie06 said:
Stupid person this morning - walking in a park (not my usual haunt but need to get springer working around distractions and strange dogs) 2 fat little pugs come rushing over, I sit up the springer, he's not at all nasty but gets very very excited by strange dogs, I call over please call your dogs back - idiots reply why?? I say because my dog is in training and I don't want him leapt all over - they reply he should be muzzled then WTF????? So I said get your dog on a lead, why says the gobby husband, beause you have just demonstrated beautifully that you have ZERO recall, then I turned and walked off springer being very good and ignoring irritating mutts, bloke had to come running up and grab them he was yelling at me to stop and wait, I was fed up by that point so just kept walking!!!!
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My favourite is when off-lead dogs want to come and pester, I march off with my dog focused on a treat or ball rather than the pesterer, and the owner kicks up a stink at having to come and physically retrieve their dog which is following us down the street instead of recalling back to them. And it’s always our fault, of course!
 
fiwen30 said:
My favourite is when off-lead dogs want to come and pester, I march off with my dog focused on a treat or ball rather than the pesterer, and the owner kicks up a stink at having to come and physically retrieve their dog which is following us down the street instead of recalling back to them. And it’s always our fault, of course!
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This is my favourite thing to do :p
 
So now the local village Whatsapp group is in a flurry of disapproval after a man in a hi viz jacket walking a dog apparently kicked out unprovoked at two other dogs on a canal tow path :oops:. There is a photo of this horrid man, taken from the rear.

That man is my OH, who this morning was walking our always-on-lead JRT :rolleyes:. Another walker with two medium sized off lead dogs was about 100 yards ahead, going the same way. One dog ran back to ours, who had been put on short lead, and initially the encounter was friendly. Then the other dog ran back, and the other two started barking aggressively at ours, one on each side. OH moved one away with his foot (not a kick) to get in between them and the JRT. He called to the other owner to fetch her dogs, but they ignored her calls.

Eventually she got them on a lead, and OH politely apologised for having to shout at her dogs. She's now playing the victim card.

OH is just posting up his version of what happened. What a palaver.

If you havent got solid recall, then keep the feckers on a lead, especially if they will have a go at other dogs.
 
BallyJ said:
This is my favourite thing to do :p
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The amount of times I had to recall Jake and Brig in the woods back in the day was insane! Their recall was rock solid, zero incidents ever, must think about what we did with them! They’d be out of sight, I’d call, they’d come along with whoever’s dog had followed them.
 
Tiddlypom said:
So now the local village Whatsapp group is in a flurry of disapproval after a man in a hi viz jacket walking a dog apparently kicked out unprovoked at two other dogs on a canal tow path :oops:. There is a photo of this horrid man, taken from the rear.

That man is my OH, who this morning was walking our always-on-lead JRT :rolleyes:. Another walker with two medium sized off lead dogs was about 100 yards ahead, going the same way. One dog ran back to ours, who had been put on short lead, and initially the encounter was friendly. Then the other dog ran back, and the other two started barking aggressively at ours, one on each side. OH moved one away with his foot (not a kick) to get in between them and the JRT. He called to the other owner to fetch her dogs, but they ignored her calls.

Eventually she got them on a lead, and OH politely apologised for having to shout at her dogs. She's now playing the victim card.

OH is just posting up his version of what happened. What a palaver.

If you havent got solid recall, then keep the feckers on a lead, especially if they will have a go at other dogs.
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I remember seeing almost the exact same post on a Facebook group once. Woman taken a picture of a man who kicked (or 'kicked', who knows) her dog. This was well before we'd ever even considered getting a dog of our own and remember thinking I wonder what the other side of that story is.

Fair play to your OH putting his side across. I would think/hope people will understand.

Yesterday local FB page someone posted about a dog repeatedly jumping up and knocking down her toddler in a play park. Lots of people on at her because she had her own dogs in there too. Fair enough probably shouldn't have been but assuming they were under control as she described I dont see how that's remotely in the same league as letting your dog go run up to someone else's child and knock them over. More than once!
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Excellent that he’s posting his own version. Is she doing this because she’s a poor little female and he’s a big scary bloke? Reverse sexism! I would not allow her to get away with lying.
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I'm glad to say that, once posted up, OH's version of events has stopped the baying mob in its tracks ?.

I fact checked and proof read it before he put it up. It debunks her claims and clearly explained exactly what happened, and went on to say that he now regards the incident as closed. The dogs' owner did come back with a few more lame mutterings, but no one backed her up.

Horrible thing to happen, though.
 
Tiddlypom said:
I'm glad to say that, once posted up, OH's version of events has stopped the baying mob in its tracks ?.

I fact checked and proof read it before he put it up. It debunks her claims and clearly explained exactly what happened, and went on to say that he now regards the incident as closed. The dogs' owner did come back with a few more lame mutterings, but no one backed her up.

Horrible thing to happen, though.
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Really worrying and very unfair. Hopefully his sensible version will lay it all to rest.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Really worrying and very unfair. Hopefully his sensible version will lay it all to rest.
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It seems to have done. It does make you think that a go pro might be a good idea to wear when out walking the dog. The other dogs' owner was also playing the hidden disability card - she apparently has a medical condition that restricts mobility. So she was whipping up outrage against some nasty bloke who kicks and shouts at dogs who have a disabled female owner.

I inserted a sentence acknowledging her mobility issues with suitable noises of regret, but they do not absolve you from walking dog aggressive dogs off lead in public who do not come to call. Her dogs ran 100 yards back down the path to ours.

Poor OH. While he certainly shouted at her dogs when they were both close by barking aggressively at ours, he apologised immediately to the owner for the shouting once she'd eventually got them on leads. The JRT didn't bark back, she was worried and bemused, she did nothing to provoke the other dogs.

Blimmin' people.
 
The problem is nowadays the owners can be as aggressive, or more so, than the dogs if you take issue with their dog attacking yours.

On the Facebook page Protect Our Pets, there are instances of people being punched, in one instance by a couple of men, for daring to try and rescue their dog from being mauled. There has also been an assault when someone used the K9 spray to defend themselves and their dog.

I try and stay off the beaten track with my trusty walking stick and generally see no one and only venture to more popular places when in company.
 
Can anyone tell me what a ‘show type cockapoo puppy’ is? Especially when it’s only 1st generation cocker/poodle?
 
Yesterday I could see a very wiggly young lab come barrelling up to my oldest boy and I shook my head/waved my hand, as in 'don't let that dog come over here'.
Owner shouts name (WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT, REPEATING A NAME ISN'T A RECALL COMMAND) uselessly and my old dog ends up with a young lab up his arse.
So as they pass I smile and say 'Lucky he's mellowed in his old age' and I just got a dirty look, not an apology or anything....
 
Why is calling the dog's name not a recall command?
If the dog's name is what you have taught as a recall command, then it's a recall command
It's obviously not what you teach CC but I don't understand why you say it can't work for anyone else either

Of course it's neither here nor there if recall has not been taught at all
 
Cause it's their name/an intial attractor and if you use it all the time with no consequence, good or bad, then it's meaningless and most people don't make the correct link.
The vast majority of people I meet with no recall are the ones who are just shouting a name over and over and over again.

And if I shouted CAUDA EQUINA CAUDA EQUINA CAUDA EQUINA at you repeatedly, would you immediately come over to me, or wonder what all the annoying shouting is about?

If I want the dog's **attention** I'll use the name, if I want it to come to me, it's quickly followed by a recall command.
 
CorvusCorax said:
Cause it's their name/an intial attractor and if you use it all the time with no consequence, good or bad, then it's meaningless and most people don't make the correct link.
The vast majority of people I meet with no recall are the ones who are just shouting a name over and over and over again.

And if I shouted CAUDA EQUINA CAUDA EQUINA CAUDA EQUINA at you repeatedly, would you immediately come over to me, or wonder what all the annoying shouting is about?

If I want the dog's **attention** I'll use the name, if I want it to come to me, it's quickly followed by a recall command.
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If I were your dog and you had trained me to come to my name then I expect I would, yes
 
Have I ever mentioned :) (amongst my occasional posts of dog attacks on me, swan murders etc) the evening pub meal when the 2 adults at the adjoining table let their 2 adult JRTs onto the table to finish their meals and lick the plates? Preceded earlier by one of the JRTs launching off the seat to attack the dead fox head gracing the wall just above my friend's head? (bench seating against the wall) Luckily it aimed well and missed friend's head. Never ever sit near a dead fox when there's a JRT sitting on a seat nearby.
 
Arzada said:
Have I ever mentioned :) (amongst my occasional posts of dog attacks on me, swan murders etc) the evening pub meal when the 2 adults at the adjoining table let their 2 adult JRTs onto the table to finish their meals and lick the plates? Preceded earlier by one of the JRTs launching off the seat to attack the dead fox head gracing the wall just above my friend's head? (bench seating against the wall) Luckily it aimed well and missed friend's head. Never ever sit near a dead fox when there's a JRT sitting on a seat nearby.
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I work at a pub which is often full of dogs. I thought I had seen it all, but obviously not.
I hate dogs in pubs as much as small children, unless they know sit down ( out if the way) and shut up.
 
Yesterday saw us back at the country park, three women and three labs. Most people were sensible and we kept out of the way. Then some idiot of a man rantowards our sitting down dogs, with his Bassett hound! He then told his dog that she didn't have the manners that ours did, poor creature was then dragged away.
Then sitting waiting for our bacon and egg sandwiches, tucked well out of the way, another idiot man brought his snappy terrier, on its flexi lead, towards ours. Sister said "don't bring it to them" he ignored her and let it get nearer, till sister banged her stick infront of his dog! He then took it back to where it started from, where it then snarled and snapped at a passing French bulldog!!
We don't think we look very approachable, but our dogs must do!
 
YorksG said:
Yesterday saw us back at the country park, three women and three labs. Most people were sensible and we kept out of the way. Then some idiot of a man rantowards our sitting down dogs, with his Bassett hound! He then told his dog that she didn't have the manners that ours did, poor creature was then dragged away.
Then sitting waiting for our bacon and egg sandwiches, tucked well out of the way, another idiot man brought his snappy terrier, on its flexi lead, towards ours. Sister said "don't bring it to them" he ignored her and let it get nearer, till sister banged her stick infront of his dog! He then took it back to where it started from, where it then snarled and snapped at a passing French bulldog!!
We don't think we look very approachable, but our dogs must do!
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It was very noticeable that he didn't approach the mastiff with its owner, who was a big bloke, waiting for his wife to come out of the loo. He (idiot) did seem to be on his own, perhaps he thought it was 'singles hour'. Not that he would have much chance, friend is gay and sis and i are choosy!


ETA, just to be clear, gay friend is also choosy!
 
Earlier we were treated to an hour of next door neighbours trying to catch their dog in in the shared driveway, complete with increasingly despairing calls of Fido No, and Fido Come. I eventually got fed up with this as I needed to go out but had wanted to give them a chance to catch dog without interference.

This dog has not had any effective or consistent training, as you might have worked out.

I walked out of the door, said firmly and quietly “Fido sit”, Fido sa, I walked up to him and held his collar.. No fuss, no drama. Praised him for doing what I told him. Which is what I do every time I retrieve him from the road, forest etc.

And then they asked why he does what I tell him. More than once I have suggested that they get a trainer to work with them.
 
The one benefit to come out of the canal tow path incident is that OH has stopped moaning about the dual annual membership (£90) that I had just bought for the gardens and grounds of our local country estate :D.

There is a strict 'dogs on leads' policy. The grounds and open parkland are truly beautiful, and a nice meander round takes a couple of hours. It's only open Weds/Thurs/Sun/Bank Holidays March - Oct, but that's the Weds and Thurs walks sorted from now to end Oct. Sundays are too busy.

Good shady parking too - that's OH walking towards us from our white car.

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OH was on the point of being reported to the police for his utterly falsely described actions towards the two other dogs on the tow path. Fortunately, to help back up his much more accurate account of what really happened, he is very well regarded locally so that when the others realised just who the 'bogey man' was, they will have been much more inclined to believe his version.

Some equally innocent but unknown poor beggar from outside of the area would not have been so lucky, though.
 
cauda equina said:
Yes but that's people, not dogs!
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Yep, and we can understand there is a clear difference between:

CorvusCorax
Can you come over here please?
Can you go and put the kettle on?

Equally, IME it is much clearer for the dog, to teach:

Fido
Sit
Come

Etc etc.

Great if you get recall on a sixpence for a name alone, but so many people use the name on a daily basis for so many reasons with no reinforcement, Hi Fido, I'm home Fido, has anyone fed Fido? then it loses meaning/importance/becomes white noise.
There's no other command (sit/down/heel) etc where you would reasonably expect the dog to interchange that with their name.

ETA I was wondering why I have such a pole up my backside about this ? and I've also realised in my sport you will almost always get point deduction for using name AND a command as it's seen an extra command/handler help, it's either/or. So I guess I've always avoided it socially too.
'Come here' and 'sit down' are also bugbears, those are two commands each.
 
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cauda equina said:
If I were your dog and you had trained me to come to my name then I expect I would, yes
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When you call Fido's name you might not want him to come. You might want him to wait, or sit, or down, close or at a distance. For instance, "Fido, wait"

So calling Fido's name means look/listen to me, further instruction will follow.

Also, if you have multiple dogs you may wish to ask one specific dog to perform a behaviour.

ETA. Sorry, cross posted - multitasking :)
 
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