Is anything selling??

[CinnamonChristmasCookie]

I'm not arguing but you throw up an interesting point, unless both animals are health tested and the lines are known, breeding a cross deliberately to 'improve an element' is useless.

The only way to remove an underirable element and ensure it is removed utterly and responsibly is to stop the line dead.

Exactly what I meant but you are lots more articulate!

Despite my big lad being KC registered, I would not dream of breeding from him as I believe he could easily produce quite mental puppies! It's a crying shame, but despite his good looks, he is hard work sometimes and there are health issues, same as his brother. It's so heart breaking when you think you've done your research and sourced a good litter.

I doubt as many owners are as ethical as us, though, hence the poor dogs that end up in rescues or who end up with owners who then mistreat them through lack of knowledge or patience.

I'm sure if studies were carried out officially, we'd see a higher incidence of undesirable than desirable in respect to crossing two pedigree breeds to create a 'designer' dog. Case in point are all the doodles who inherit the lab's coat and shed like crazy.

 

[EAST KENT]

No one should be ashamed of the dogs they own, once they are here and born its not the dogs fault and they deserve wonderful, loving homes like any others dogs. Its the breeders who should be ashamed.

Theres one breeder (i use the term loosely) in chihuahuas who breeds unregistered "teacup" chihuahuas - they actively aim to produce what most people would consider the runt of a litter! They have a very flashy website with lots of info on it (most of which is IMO incorrect but hows an uneducated puppy buyer to know? Its put across convincingly enough!!). They have random claims on there like that they're pups reach "1st, and even world class standards" - yet the pups are unregistered so cant be shown lol!! They even go on to say that KC paperwork is meaningless and that their "health certificates" from their vets are way more important lol!! The pups on the website are ok quality, nothing special and as unregistered (and no mention of being tested for luxating patellas whcih can be a problem in the breed) I wouldnt be spending much at all on one. Yet, they are for sale for MORE than a very well bred, KC reg, health tested pup from show winning parents. Its crazy. And the bloody things sell! People are nuts.

I do think that buyers need to be more educated as its so easy to be fooled by a flashy website and a breeder who has an expert sales pitch down. Hopefully if less people buy these designer dogs, and other breeders are left with litters they cant sell, maybe they will think of alternative ways to make a quick buck..

Oh Please put in a linky to their site(PM if you prefer) I`d love to read their drivel. NOTHING wrong with a good old Heinz,great dogs sometimes..my first dog was a sort of beagley Heinz,but just hate these deliberate xbreeds labeled "designer" and sold for more than health checked carefully bred pedigrees.

 

[soloabe]

I'm sure if studies were carried out officially, we'd see a higher incidence of undesirable than desirable in respect to crossing two pedigree breeds to create a 'designer' dog. Case in point are all the doodles who inherit the lab's coat and shed like crazy.

Exactly! They had a meetup for doodles at our dog park last week probably close to 40 doodles there and after they called count only 10 or so were non shedding.

 

[emmae]

Exactly! They had a meetup for doodles at our dog park last week probably close to 40 doodles there and after they called count only 10 or so were non shedding.

That's appalling; considering it's supposedly the main 'selling point' of the breed!!

i must admit i have seen alot of litters advertised recently with no mention of any tests in the parents and also some stud dog adverts where it states that they have NO PAPERS!!!

just had a look on a local site first advert that popped up was a Westie bitch looking for a stud dog... goes on about how lovely the bitch is... then at the end.....

'Would prefer KC reg'd but not essential as she does not have her papers'

makes me soooo mad!!!

 

[UnaB]

Oh Please put in a linky to their site(PM if you prefer) I`d love to read their drivel. NOTHING wrong with a good old Heinz,great dogs sometimes..my first dog was a sort of beagley Heinz,but just hate these deliberate xbreeds labeled "designer" and sold for more than health checked carefully bred pedigrees.

PMing you. Enjoy - its a hilarious read if you overlook the fact its a puppy farmer!

 

[CorvusCorax]

I loved the link someone posted here a while back, was basically someone going round collecting free/unwanted Sheps and putting them to their same two males repeatedly, no tests, no nothing, and selling them for a healthy profit. Nice 'work' if you can get it....