Is anything selling??

Well my offer stands *im sure I posted this once and it dissapeared*:confused::o

OP I understand that you may be thinking of selling cheaper, but be careful where they end up, if you are struggling with them and want to let them go and the ongoing socialising issues you will have hanging onto them, if you would like them to go where they will be offered life time back up, neutered and have non transfearable chips the sacrifice is obs no money but best quality homes.

Im a PM away if needed.
 
Stephl07 said:
I was just wondering if anyone else is having trouble selling their pups??
We have 10 beautiful Labradoodle puppies and we have had no interest in them which is completely the opposite to the litter we had 18 months ago!!

It is frustrating because they all want individual attention but we just dont have time to give them it :(
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:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Makes me mad!!!

You, as a selfish "back street breeder" will HAVE to make the time to give them the individual attention they need! They did not ask to be here, it was YOU who decided to produce them (for money no doubt!) so we're all very sorry for your inconvenience but ... quite frankly deal with it!

Best thing you can do is hand the puppies to Cayla and get your bitch booked in to be spayed asap.
 
I don't get it!

I have owned 2 dogs over the years and about to get a third.

A lab, border collie, JRT were 'booked' before the bitch was served! (is it called serving in dogs?)
 
An amazing offer Cayla, hope OP takes you up on it. On a lighter note, when I had pups I never had to "make" time for them, I would happily spend 24 hours a day with them, it was the more mundane things like looking after my children that tended to get left.:p
 
Poor pups.....
I have to say - and no offence to anyone who has one, but I have never met a sane Labradoodle ... ever!!!
Two in our village are raving loonatics (they run and run and run, round and round and round), and the 3rd bites anyone (people and dogs) if the mood takes it - the latest being some random dog walkers thigh (he has form, the most serious was biting owners boyfriend in face whilst he sat on the sofa)

I waited 18 months for my pup.
My friend has the odd litter of well bred labradors, but only has a litter when she has a home for them - hence my long wait.
What did shock me, was once mature, how many people kept asking me if I was going to have puppies with my Bitch because of her breeding, temperament and type..... I couldn't get to the vets quick enough for spaying after her first season.
I just don't get it, I recently saw a lab in the village having a break from her litter, and she made my dog look like a crufts champion (I may be a little biased), and whilst she was a nice person, not the sort of quality you should actively choose to breed from. Yet the owner was really pleased she'd allowed her to have one litter and thought it was good for the dog?!??!?!?! where does this mindset come from?

I personally think it some peoples way of making a quick buck, although in this instance the OP is probably going to learn an expensive lesson - just hope not to the detriment of the puppies..... and genuinely hope they are homed soon (admire your offer Cayla)

Sorry for rambling....... it's all so unnecessary
 
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Yep doodles can be a daft lot, but having now got about about 20 of them on my books for grooming, I've found they can mellow a bit with age with the right training and raising. I don't have anything particularly AGAINST them, but I do take umbrage to the breeders that are breeding them willy nilly, without health check, without properly educating their new homes on their care, training, coat management etc. I'm not saying this is the case of the OP. She maybe well misunderstood from the outset of this thread. But it does get my hackles up a bit because there is a good majority of folk that tend to breed them without really a whole lot of consideration for what they will become, and where they will end up. However, it does keep Cayla busy.... ;)
 
CareyR said:
There is a labradoodle at my yard - it is a lovely dog, about the size of a lab, with a fantastic temperament. They arent all bad :)
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Not deliberately trying to label them all bad, i'm sure there are some really nice, well rounded dogs out there - afterall, I've seen plenty of loopy everything out there.....
 
Epic. Breeding. Fail.

Honestly Cayla, you really are too kind offering to take these poor little puppies in. I hope the offer is taken up as I would much rather see them with you than with a total numpty who breeds without taking the bitch and puppies into proper account.
 
Am a bit shocked how the OP has been jumped on and is now being slated as a 'back street breeder' which implies she treats her puppies badly, she only asked a question!
I am a breeder of Pug's and only ever breed when I have a need for a litter and am pestered enough by friends and family to have a need to bred a litter so they will all be booked and I wont need to worry, my puppies are adored chipped, jabbed, registered and found the best homes however I dont do it on a large scale I do bred about twice a year (from different girls I might add) from excellent health checked lines, I class myself a hobby breeder would you all class it back street?
I for one am glad the fad of the 'doodles' is fizzling out when did a cross bred mongrel start costing £700+, crazy.
If OP you did just bred to make a fast buck from un-health checked parents and are not looking after these puppies to the best of your ability and are willing to flog 'em cheap so that they are gone you should be ashamed. If on the other hand you have and are doing the opposite and the best by them, then good for you but maybe a lesson learned there is not the money around for expensive dog's please only breed if there is an expressed need and you have a waiting list.
 
DollyCoblet said:
Am a bit shocked how the OP has been jumped on and is now being slated as a 'back street breeder' which implies she treats her puppies badly, she only asked a question!
I am a breeder of Pug's and only ever breed when I have a need for a litter and am pestered enough by friends and family to have a need to bred a litter so they will all be booked and I wont need to worry, my puppies are adored chipped, jabbed, registered and found the best homes however I dont do it on a large scale I do bred about twice a year (from different girls I might add) from excellent health checked lines, I class myself a hobby breeder would you all class it back street?
I for one am glad the fad of the 'doodles' is fizzling out when did a cross bred mongrel start costing £700+, crazy.
If OP you did just bred to make a fast buck from un-health checked parents and are not looking after these puppies to the best of your ability and are willing to flog 'em cheap so that they are gone you should be ashamed. If on the other hand you have and are doing the opposite and the best by them, then good for you but maybe a lesson learned there is not the money around for expensive dog's please only breed if there is an expressed need and you have a waiting list.
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Sorry but.... Other people wanting a puppy is NOT a good reason to breed IMO. I breed pugs also and would only ever breed for myself, when I want a puppy to keep to show. There is no other valid reason to take a litter from a bitch than to further lines to show/work, in my mind. To breed for other people is really to breed for profit.

Im glad that you do things the right way in terms of health testing your pugs (what tests do you do?) and providing back up for the owners etc etc. but with a breed like pugs that are SO overbred at the moment really its not good to produce pups only for the pet market...
 
I was thinking about this last night and 'Paint me Proud's post about 'being too nice', and recalled that my dog's breeder (well, their 'grandad', his son is the actual owner of the dam) is quite unpopular in some circles (certainly not the ones I move in :p) because he is soooo selective about who uses his dogs at stud and who he sells his puppies to.
He is often railed at for not studding his dogs to anyone who asks, only allowing them to mate quality bitches he knows and who he has spent time with and observed, with all the health tests (and adequate results), to improve the breed overall (it's the bigger picture, folks!), and even then, as seen in the litter my two were from, it doesn't always work out like that...I don't think any of this litter will be procreating and certainly not my two.
He also only ever sells pups to certain friends, associates, contacts or lets them go to family members or the forces.
I had to sit and listen to some random breeder ramble on a few months ago about how this guy kept his best dogs to use for himself, no, he only allows them to use on bitches who have been fully health tested or bitches who are good enough to breed from, not any Tom, Dick or Harry who asks, he has never been in it for the money, easy as it could be for him, he could make a mint, but he would never bow to pressure from people begging him for a pup or a stud just for the sake of it.
Why on earth spend all the time, money and effort into having dogs health tested, then just let them mate any old bitch who may have any sort of hereditary complaint, these may be passed onto the puppies and as well as the moral implications, his dog and his kennel name would be associated with unhealthy puppies/dogs.
He'd be appalled if a dog of his breeding ended up in rescue or was used as a breeding machine or his kennel name was attached to overbreeding or very poor examples of the breed. He actually allows his dogs to be used at stud much more on the continent than in the UK because they are much tighter on health testing there.
In fact he only really shows/exhibits over there too, there is no official scheme offered by the Kennel Clubs here which rewards and promotes breeders and exhibitors who's animals have all their health tests and display working ability, IE fit for purpose.

I think like Cayla's mum, if I were to ever breed, I would just keep the lot myself :o

Ramble over but it is people like him who I really admire and as much as my dog has had issues, I would rather buy from someone like him.
 
Good on you, Cayla.

It's my opinion that the smaller x breeds have become more popular recently: I've seen more cockerpoos than labradoodles recently. It upsets me that anyone would deliberately breed a cross, though, unless to remove an undesirable element way back in history or to improve an element. Nowadays, I think it's just plain daft.
 
cinammontoast said:
unless to remove an undesirable element way back in history or to improve an element
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I'm not arguing but you throw up an interesting point, unless both animals are health tested and the lines are known, breeding a cross deliberately to 'improve an element' is useless.

The only way to remove an underirable element and ensure it is removed utterly and responsibly is to stop the line dead.

I've seen the 'crossbreeds are more healthy' line trotted out enough but there are plenty of crossbreeds with HD, ED and epilepsy. Cross a lab with a GSD, untested, two breeds prone to HD and ED, won't cancel out the risk.
The doodle thing is a case in point, there is no guarantee the pups will all take a non-shedding poodle coat, and as Twiglet on here can testify, they are no healthier, as her dog has allergies just like my purebred GSD.

My bitch is undersized and very highly-strung. I could mate her to a larger male with a calm steady temperament, but then I might end up with a litter of giant lunatics.
The only option for me to ensure these traits are not carried on is not to breed from her.
 
Well i'm guilty of owning 2 mongrels. Didn't conciously choose them for the breeds they are but after losing 2 pedigree dogs in the space of 12 months, I very naively fell for the "x breeds are less prone to problems" line :(

Both were impulse buys (Pads cost £100 yes prob to BYB - regretfully :( and Hecty was free) but, I couldn't ask for 2 nicer dogs.

would I do it again having gained knowledge on here? No but i'm ashamed to say I was too hasty to wait for the rescue process.

So from my point of view, of course i'm glad these x breeds exist but only as it's resulted in me having my boys.
 
Nobody (well, not me :p) is saying that our individual dogs are not great dogs, but it's the people who actively, even 'aggressively' market their pups as 'healthier' but from unproven, unkown, untested animals, are being irresponsible. Just because they are a first cross of two pedigrees, untested? Really?
If the parents had good health test results for their breed, then I would not have an issue.
 
CaveCanem said:
Nobody (well, not me :p) is saying that our individual dogs are not great dogs, but it's the people who actively, even 'aggressively' market their pups as 'healthier' but from unproven, unkown, untested animals, are being irresponsible. Just because they are a first cross of two pedigrees, untested? Really?
If the parents had good health test results for their breed, then I would not have an issue.
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I agree with what CC said!

I don't personally have a problem with doodles, I don't have a problem with the whole reason they came to be (which from what I understood was to be a "more hypoallergenic guide dog" - eg a working breed with a specfic purpose). I don't know if *all* breeds have had a purpose when being "invented" or if some were merely borne out of whim, a loved lap dog or whatever. So even from THAT POV, I don't have an issue with doodles of any size or shape. But it's the whole marketing kitsch that goes with giving cutesy names in order to increase the value of the sale. And then falsely claiming that it's this / that / another with regard to health of the dog and how it's a healthier breed for human allergy sufferers etc. And add to that the fact that there are many many breeders that produce puppies as if it's a factory item - supply/demand and all that. What about educating buyers? What about becoming educated as breeders? And then standing behind the litter when things go wrong? It's not a problem strictly for doodles or even other cute cross breeds, but any breed of dog that is the dog-du-jour!
 
No one should be ashamed of the dogs they own, once they are here and born its not the dogs fault and they deserve wonderful, loving homes like any others dogs. Its the breeders who should be ashamed.

Theres one breeder (i use the term loosely) in chihuahuas who breeds unregistered "teacup" chihuahuas - they actively aim to produce what most people would consider the runt of a litter! They have a very flashy website with lots of info on it (most of which is IMO incorrect but hows an uneducated puppy buyer to know? Its put across convincingly enough!!). They have random claims on there like that they're pups reach "1st, and even world class standards" - yet the pups are unregistered so cant be shown lol!! They even go on to say that KC paperwork is meaningless and that their "health certificates" from their vets are way more important lol!! The pups on the website are ok quality, nothing special and as unregistered (and no mention of being tested for luxating patellas whcih can be a problem in the breed) I wouldnt be spending much at all on one. Yet, they are for sale for MORE than a very well bred, KC reg, health tested pup from show winning parents. Its crazy. And the bloody things sell! People are nuts.

I do think that buyers need to be more educated as its so easy to be fooled by a flashy website and a breeder who has an expert sales pitch down. Hopefully if less people buy these designer dogs, and other breeders are left with litters they cant sell, maybe they will think of alternative ways to make a quick buck..
 
True UnaB!

Was trying to find an ad on DumbDeal I see quite a lot, big page full of 'Grade A' this and 'top class' that and 'champion bloodlines' the other - they've basically chucked a load of random words and pretend qualifications and three-letter acronyms together to impress people into paying over 1000 yoyos on an unknown dog, when they could have got the same for free/negligible amount out of a rescue.

Oh and I love the new PBNR acronym...'pure bred, non registered', yes, even the 'Belgian Shepherd' which is a fluffy black GSD and looks nothing like a Gronendal....
 
Have this one, CC... :p

Storm Moon is a saarloos Hybrid his breeding includes 50% European Wolf and 50% Northern Inuit.
Storm moons sire is the well known Carlic Coyote who is a pure bred Saarloos.
Storm Moon is offered at stud to German Shepherds, Akita's, Huskey's, Malamutes, Northern Inuits and any other big dogs.
Storm Moon is an exceptionally good looking sociable dog with an excellent temperament.
Bitches will have to travel to us, we can offer accomondation for the Bitch on our 1000 acre farm to include woodland, lakes, streams and many leisurely walks
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ETA: Just seen your edit, having an obviously/probably purebred but unregistered dog is a total pain in the arse if you ever want to do anything with them. If I ever want to run her under SHCGB rules it involves assessment panels and allsorts. :mad:

Also have just seen the above sarloos ad somewhere else, only they're on a 500 acre farm now. :p
 
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There are 'Shilohs' on for sale somewhere which are no such thing (Shilohs are a recently made-up breed too in the USA but these were NOT them!!! Just big hairy paled-out sheps) and 'Timberwolf hybrids - again, daddy 'Timberwolf' was a white tight-coated shep....but someone is clearly shelling out for them....

With us you can work anything you want as long as the microchip and/or tattoo corresponds to the one on your dog's 'card'. As seen by my mate, who lost his bitch's very fancy-dan pedigree just before a competition so he just had to register her as her name, ID number and 'breed unknown' :p
 
I have a PBNR apparently as she was sold for working and not breeding they didn't do it unless requested, which it was not.
Just looked at the tea-cup chiuauas they're like micro pigs who turned out to be huge, KP had one wonder how much bacon she got out of that.
On the website it said that they breed lots of dogs which means they can breed beter quality ones?!?! Not an expert but pretty sure quality does not come from quantity, something about shakespeare and monkies!
 
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