Is my horse under stress, or am I just trying to save him?

Emily T

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Unfortunately, it seems that my lovely cob is just getting worse. Yes, in the field I have walked him around bareback with just a head collar on and such but when we get up to the yard? He starts to act stressed. His head high, heavy breathing, eyes appearing “stressed” and spooking easily. This thing is, I think it’s my instructor. On my first day with him at the yard, a friend and I hopped on (keep in mind we were 12 & 13) and he was amazing in walk trot and canter. The next lesson I had I was shoved aboard by my instructor. She shouted a lot and when he would buck and bolt I would sometimes slid to the ground and my horse would skid to a halt. Over the few weeks I rose with her he was always lunged before a lesson in the arena and he was treated in the same way with my second instructor. In the end my dad got an jockey to help us and he got my pony out of bucking but six months later? The jockey isn’t working with us anymore and my poor pony is scared to death of the arena. Whenever we are in there he follows me and often tries to heard me out of the door with him. He’s now box walking, kicking down stable doors, gets an upset stomach when up the yard, bolting, nipping at strangers and he’s being stable up the yard because of bad weather so I’m not riding him (it’s too dark after school and the arena is always booked at night and my mum would never let me hack him out). Oh, and a railway line runs parrel with the school and fields.
In all of this, my dad stu thinks the me and my horse can get over this butvmy Mum? Oh, well she blames my horse for everything when sometimes, it’s my fault more than his, like I’ll get caught up in the moment and not realise he’s about to bolt (if I can see it’s going to happen I can stop it in time). She also pushes me to sell him, but who would buy him? He’s got too much spirit and has a mind of his own but that’s the reason why so adore him so much. He’s such a sweet boy on the ground too and I selling him is out of question. Even if I could find a buyer or a loaner, I know I could never be happy. I only feel happy when my friend (the one who ride him with me on the first day) has riddden him because her ideas about horse behaviour is the same and rides in a similar way to me.
But am I just making up this stress idea to save my pony? I know he behaves nicely for me (he doesn’t jolt around or get annoying under the saddle like he does for others) and I’m the only one who can get him out the field, get him to hold his feet up nicely, he follows me voluntarily and he often trekkes across his field to come see me and will walk up the land with me without a head collar. Ha also behaves better for me while being ridden if I “tell him about my day” and talk to him. He’s so strange and sits like a dog, follows me anywhere (literally), yawns when given a massage and loves celery but I still love this gelding. He’s only seven and I seriously can’t get over this pony of mine. If I’m made to sell him I’ll never forgive myself for giving up. I know he loves me because I’m the only one who he’ll canter after, come when called or lick. Do you think he’s stressed or is it something else?
 
I am wondering how experienced in horse behaviour you are? ie you say he bucks, bolts, slides to a halt and you fall off - a bolting horse doesnt stop!
I would get some help from an experienced instructor you trust and listen to what they say. I think you are slightly mistaken when you say he loves you because he canters after you and licks you. Horses dont 'love' in the same way a dog does.
I think you should definately get some instruction in horse behaviour, and a riding instructor who is qualified and experienced.
Good luck for 2018
 
Yep, sounds like stress to me. You have to remember as a prey animal, horses are hard wired not to waste energy for no good reason, so something is really bothering him.
Can he live out? Take shoes off and give him a field holiday (or if you don't have access to a field 24/7, shoes off and a stable/paddock holiday) Bear in mind adrenaline can take days or weeks to return to resting levels, and you can help that by supplementing with magnesium. And look at his bucket feeds, for sugar/cereal levels and reduce them where you can.
When he is more relaxed, go back to basics, and whilst you have to set boundaries, be kind about it. At the very least I would ditch the instructor in favour of one a little more modern in their thinking - it does sounds as though there is friction there
 
This behaviour has been happening since a couple of weeks after you bought him, according to your first post in August. Are you the 13 year old or the 14 year old? Regardless, you are out of your depth. Please get professional help with this pony before you get hurt.

Merry Christmas everyone!
 
Well, I’d say it’s bolting because when he does bolt, there’s no stopping him. He’s got a strong mouth and doesn’t listen Until i come off. He has to stop or he’ll run me over! And I really don’t think the four instructors have understood what the problem is. They just treat him like an ordinary horse which he isn’t. I don’t know what it is but there’s something very different about him as a whole. I’ve been riding for almost a decade and I’ve ridden warmblood, Connemaras, Tbs and many, many cobs. He’s smarter than the average horse anyway. And I didn’t say it was dog like love I just meant that when I first bought him, we weren’t nearly as close and that there must be some love / affection between us because I’m the only one that he’d pick his feet up for and I’m the only one that he come to when called.
 
It’s good to hear from like minded people! I took his shoes off a week ago and I’m trying to get him moved to my place in spring. He can live out for a while there as it’s well sheltered and in a neighbourhood of mainly pensioners so very quite. I’ll start from basics and get all of his tack re fitted, a vet check and a trainer who cares. The main thing is that he’s les stressed and Ive Looked into supplements and herbs etc. I’ll even buy an older pony to keep him company but he’s bullied by other horses so I have to find someone calm enough! He’s a cob that gets fat off nothing anyway so he’s just on plain old hay that the hard feeds all off it’s horses.
 
Well, he’s stopped bucking but has been bolting less and less. It’s just surprising that up the yard he is very spooky but out in the field he is rarely spooked. I’ve the sound of gun shots don’t faze him but up the yard the drop of a pin or the sight of a lunging rope makes him ready to take off. I can’t see myself getting badly hurt with just bolting because I’ve ridden larger horses that have done worse. I’m not worried about what happens to me because I can look out for myself and my parents are protective anyway. For example, the moment he started acting up my mum just straight up offered to buy another horse. It’s not me that I’m worried about, it’s my horse. He’s got amazing chances of being a hunter and I’d love to do that in two or three years but I’m willing to do anything just to make sure he’s safe and happy.
 
These cobs can be super characters. My best horse is a 14.2hh cob that I got as an "impossible to handle" youngster - bit, reared, did whatever he wanted ... but only because he trusted no human and didn't really understand the rules. His former owner cannot believe what he's achieved with me but I can honestly say it's been nothing but a pleasure. The only think he achieved with her was knocking her out. Multiple times. I paid £250 for him and could have sold him for £10k in his prime.

Point being = they look chunky and confident, but they're insecure little gremlins at heart. They can give you the world if you get it right but you need experienced help, consistently.
 
I think you have to read this in conjunction with the other posts - including the parallel one yesterday accusing instructors of sexism.

OP - my heart goes out to you. I've seen so many kids in Pony Club in a similar place. My daughter was sort of in the same place with a BS competition pony of hers who was massively ill mannered (and with which she persevered to turn into a decent 148 with good manners.)

The bottom line - and I am so sorry - is that you are 13 and this lad is so out of control he is dangerous. (Note - I am not saying this is your fault - it isn't.) I know you love him - anyone on here who had ponies as young teens will know that absolute, all out, desperate passion they inspire in us. And to loose him will be heartbreaking. But you just don't have the experience to deal with him safely and it is not a matter of if you get hurt - but when. You can't blame your parents or trying to protect you.

This lad clearly has massive issues. My personal view is that it does not sound like your instructors are helping - but what I might do as an adult, and what I might ask my daughter to do as an experienced competitor, BHS qualified and now (just) and adult - is different.

You can turn these ponies around. But you need a lot of experience, a good qualified support team and - to be honest - the legal responsibility to take your own risks. You don't have that. Any instructor who encourages or supports you risks being sued when the pretty much inevitable happens.

If I were your mum - I would be supporting you to find him a project type home who could support and re-train him - ideally who would give him a home for life, or on loan so you can control what happens to him in the future. You are clearly a good rider. This is no criticism of you. And I absolutely get that it sucks that this is basically because you are so young. But if you don't get involved with re-homeing him now then you risk your parents selling him - or sending him for meat - when you are hurt. Don't let that happen. I am so sorry.

Others - yes this could be a troll. But it also might not be. Don't throw away the chance to help someone by being cynical.
 
It's a symptom of muscle disorders and DSLD, any of which could account for the behaviour described.

Glass of fizz, anyone? :)

Sorry, wasn’t being unkind. Would be interested to see a photo, if possible. We’ve got dogs and horses here and neither resemble the other.

Happy Christmas :)
 
Wasn't being critical. Hic. It looks cute, but often means something quite serious. Must stop stuffing stuffing..... soon.


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Absolutely not - some of the phraseology used is far too advanced for a 13 YO. Interesting that someone finds Christmas so boring that they post this first thing in the morning :D :D
How is some of the phraseology too advanced for a thirteen-year-old!?
 
How is some of the phraseology too advanced for a thirteen-year-old!?

I have never heard a 13 YO that spoke like this....

"he follows me voluntarily and he often trekkes across his field to come see me and will walk up the land with me without a head collar. Ha also behaves better for me while being ridden if I “tell him about my day” and talk to him. He’s so strange and sits like a dog, follows me anywhere (literally), yawns when given a massage and loves celery but I still love this gelding. He’s only seven and I seriously can’t get over this pony of mine. If I’m made to sell him I’ll never forgive myself for giving up. I know he loves me because I’m the only one who he’ll canter after, come when called or lick. Do you think he’s stressed or is it something else?"

Kids just don't talk like that - it's all abbreviations, slang etc....
 
Lévrier;13694020 said:
I have never heard a 13 YO that spoke like this....

"he follows me voluntarily and he often trekkes across his field to come see me and will walk up the land with me without a head collar. Ha also behaves better for me while being ridden if I “tell him about my day” and talk to him. He’s so strange and sits like a dog, follows me anywhere (literally), yawns when given a massage and loves celery but I still love this gelding. He’s only seven and I seriously can’t get over this pony of mine. If I’m made to sell him I’ll never forgive myself for giving up. I know he loves me because I’m the only one who he’ll canter after, come when called or lick. Do you think he’s stressed or is it something else?"

Kids just don't talk like that - it's all abbreviations, slang etc....

Not all of them. Not saying that I believe this, but I certainly wasn't all text speak etc. At 13; if anything I've probably worse as I've got older. :p
To me it's all the things about how she loves him, how he isn't a normal horse (did she somehow neglect to. Mention a horn on his head, or what!?), and myriad other things in her various threads that shout that this whole charade isn't legit.- it reads like some pony book i'd've read when I was 6!
 
Not all of them. Not saying that I believe this, but I certainly wasn't all text speak etc. At 13; if anything I've probably worse as I've got older. :p
To me it's all the things about how she loves him, how he isn't a normal horse (did she somehow neglect to. Mention a horn on his head, or what!?), and myriad other things in her various threads that shout that this whole charade isn't legit.- it reads like some pony book i'd've read when I was 6!

Ha ha when you've been on the forum as long as I have you will have seen this so many many times - its a given that this is a troll!
 
Lévrier;13694020 said:
I have never heard a 13 YO that spoke like this....

"he follows me voluntarily and he often trekkes across his field to come see me and will walk up the land with me without a head collar. Ha also behaves better for me while being ridden if I “tell him about my day” and talk to him. He’s so strange and sits like a dog, follows me anywhere (literally), yawns when given a massage and loves celery but I still love this gelding. He’s only seven and I seriously can’t get over this pony of mine. If I’m made to sell him I’ll never forgive myself for giving up. I know he loves me because I’m the only one who he’ll canter after, come when called or lick. Do you think he’s stressed or is it something else?"

Kids just don't talk like that - it's all abbreviations, slang etc....

Not necessarily. This is pretty much exactly the slightly naive, rose tinted stuff that I would absolutely expect to hear from a young teenage girl! I don't know many teens who use slang/abbreviations when speaking to adults - my son and his friends definitely have two very different styles, depending on their audience!

I can't see why people think this is a troll. All I see is a kid who's out of her depth, but doesn't realise it. Yet...
 
Not necessarily. This is pretty much exactly the slightly naive, rose tinted stuff that I would absolutely expect to hear from a young teenage girl! I don't know many teens who use slang/abbreviations when speaking to adults - my son and his friends definitely have two very different styles, depending on their audience!

I can't see why people think this is a troll. All I see is a kid who's out of her depth, but doesn't realise it. Yet...

My niece is the most precocious pretentious kid I have ever met in my life and even she definitely wouldn't speak like this :D
 
I don't think that's fair. I most certainly didn't use abbreviations or slang in writing when I was 13 and I doubt kids have changed much since the 90s.

I don't think you can guess the age of a poster from the writing. Do you write how you speak?
 
I don't think that's fair. I most certainly didn't use abbreviations or slang in writing when I was 13 and I doubt kids have changed much since the 90s.

I don't think you can guess the age of a poster from the writing. Do you write how you speak?

Agree with this. When asked to guess how old I am online people usually say 20s or 30s, and cobsarefab writes older than her age too! :confused:
 
I don't think that's fair. I most certainly didn't use abbreviations or slang in writing when I was 13 and I doubt kids have changed much since the 90s.

I don't think you can guess the age of a poster from the writing. Do you write how you speak?

Yes - what you see is what you get :) If you wish to believe the OP is genuine that is absolutely fine with me, you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine? Quite honestly I'm not really bothered either way, it is all online anonymity either way for me
 
I don't know if the OP is genuine or not. But I think saying a post that isn't very articulate (one long rambling paragraph) is too articulate for a teenager does a disservice to all teenagers who are capable and clear writers.
 
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Lévrier;13693996 said:
Absolutely not - some of the phraseology used is far too advanced for a 13 YO. Interesting that someone finds Christmas so boring that they post this first thing in the morning :D :D

My YOs 12 year old daughter explained the difference between different dementia and Alzheimers stages in her own words, it was beautiful and sad. Some kids are extremely eloquent. All of the older adults (40+) who text me use text speak and all of the younger adults (18-40) and kids text me properly!
 
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