Is this a naughty thing to do (vet)???

wench said:
YO was as much in the dark as me about the horse being booked in. Never at any point have I said he knew the horse was supposed to be going in.
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No, you haven't said YO knew he was supposed to be going in - just that he booked and (presumably) paid for transport without consulting you first - which so odd.

I've asked at least twice for a breakdown of what exactly happened, but you won't say........ Which is why people think you are being cagey.
 
LHS said:
For me its the fact that the story seemed incomplete and incredulous, and then when people pushed for answers it all seemed a bit ' cagey'.

If its genuine then sorry.
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Have to say I agree that it does sound strange. Who would not be absolutely livid if they horse was removed to have surgery without your knowing. Permissions aside, which may or may not have been given at a different time, if my horse was going for surgery and I didn't know (and he's had a few in the past) i'd be spitting absolute tacks and using those to nail said vet to the nearest post.

I don't understand why the vet would phone the YO and not the owner? I know when Turbo was in the glasgow vet school there was no procedure undertaken without it being fully explained to me what would happen, when it would happen, what the potential consequences of it would be, how long the recovery would take and an idea of how much it would cost (assuming it went to plan).

That was over and above me saying on numerous occasions that I completely trusted their judgement and if they felt it was necessary then they should feel free to go ahead.

I didn't have to give written permissions as I'd signed a form on admittance saying they should do what was necessary - but the felt it was important the owner new exactly what was involved and what the risks would be.

My own vet is actually a good mate and even he would never ever treat either or my horses without speaking to me first - unless it was a life or death emergency.

But each to their own i guess and as LHS has said, if this is just cause i've misunderstood the post then I completely apologize and wish the horse a speedy recovery.
 
As much as I know is that Vet rung YO asking where horse was - vet had booked the horse in themselves, unknown to me or YO. YO was probably called at around 11ish by vet, asking where horse was as they were expecting him that morning, presumably to do op in the afternoon.

He did not pay for the transport; this was done via local DEFRA approved transporter who will be submitting an invoice for recovery through the insurance.
 
Couple of questions as I am still a little confused....

Was the op due to be done under GA?

Who actually called and booked the transporter?
 
wench said:
As much as I know is that Vet rung YO asking where horse was - vet had booked the horse in themselves, unknown to me or YO. YO was probably called at around 11ish by vet, asking where horse was as they were expecting him that morning, presumably to do op in the afternoon.

He did not pay for the transport; this was done via local DEFRA approved transporter who will be submitting an invoice for recovery through the insurance.
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but YO phoned transporter?
and put horse on transporter?
and never thought once to ring you and check that was right and what you were expecting as you hadn't organised anything?
just because the vets had him written down in their diary didnt mean he HAD to go?
 
But think people don't understand WHY the vet called the YO and not you, and WHY the YO did not redirect them straight to you and took it upon themselves to transport the horse without your knowledge?

Those are the questions I'd want answered. Both vet AND YO are answerable!
 
I can kinda understand why vet would call YO, if YO runs a full all in livery yard and normally is present for vet visits etc and vet often converses with them..............kinda understand ;)
 
What YO did or did not do was not the subject of the post.

I was merely wondering if the vet should have rung me first, or should go straight to the person that is in charge of the horse ie YO.
 
wench said:
What YO did or did not do was not the subject of the post.

I was merely wondering if the vet should have rung me first, or should go straight to the person that is in charge of the horse ie YO.
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If the YO was in charge of the horse - because it is on full livery, then I can see why they'd contact the YO. If not, then of course you should have been the first port of call. And had the vet not phoned you then the YO should have immediately.

However, it's all a bit confusing. Sorry.
 
wench said:
What YO did or did not do was not the subject of the post.

I was merely wondering if the vet should have rung me first, or should go straight to the person that is in charge of the horse ie YO.
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Not necessarily IMO, depends on the arrangement between you, your vet and YO with regards to treating your horse.

apparently we are not allowed to see the rest of it as strange or have any answers then........
 
Story stinks.

YO doesnt even have the right to worm your horse without your direct say so let alone take it to a vets for surgery. And no vet is going to by pass the owner when it comes to communication.

AFAIAK this is a wind up.
 
I only got to page 4 and got bored!!!

I think this story is a load of cobblers TBH! I would be going crazy had my YO made arrangements to take my horse to the vets without speaking to me first! And i certainly know my vets wouldnt have called the YO before me!

It just doesnt make sense to me!!!
 
I wonder.... if I call the yard where Kauto Star is stabled and say I'm expecting the horse today, where is it? The YO will put it on transport and send it to me?

The first the horse owner should know of it is when he get's the transporters invoice?

Do you see why it sounds odd wench?
 
wench said:
What YO did or did not do was not the subject of the post.

I was merely wondering if the vet should have rung me first, or should go straight to the person that is in charge of the horse ie YO.
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This is 100% your YO fault, not the vet.

How was YO to know whether Vet has correct horse and not a mix up? Therefore should have rung you before sending your horse off.

Vet gave you advice, booked it in, horse turned up and they operated. Surely if you did not consent horse would not have been there?
 
]I wonder.... if I call the yard where Kauto Star is stabled and say I'm expecting the horse today, where is it? The YO will put it on transport and send it to me?




LOL I think i'll try that with Big Star. :D
 
wench said:
As far as I can remember never told them to do it. He was probably under the knife when I spoke to them.

Just all such a blur really, just want horsie back :(
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Sorry this is the bit which nailed it for me :confused: I would hope that under the circumstances someone would be able to recall exactly what they said to the vets/YO/etc? I know I would.....
 
Wench, why won't you answer the questions?

If you would tell us the full story we could give you a full answer.

If all of this has been done without your knowledge then, unless it was life or death I would be really angry, but it all sounds rather strange!!
 
You've never been called a liar but you do have a habit of giving away minimal detail which means people don't get their questions answered and have to ask for more information.

You have been asked for a timeline and have never done so ?

You only ever answer in snippets of info, why is that ?
 
firstly vet and or YO could come on here, therefore I havent wanted to say anything defamatory.

Secondly, YO is a friend of mine and trust their judgement.
 
Wench, Sorry I am confused by all this.

Did the yard owner not try and call you to see what was supposed to be happening? Friend or not, I would be very angry if a yard owner (fortunately won't happen as I own my own yard now) hired transport - does he/she not have their own? - and sent my horse off to the vet for an operation. Was the yard owner present when the vet initially x-rayed the horse?

Also I would have thought that by the time the transport was booked, arrived and delivered horse to the vet you would have missed the proposed operating slot anyway.

How did you discover that your horse was at the vet?

I can understand you wanting to wait until you had confirmation from your insurance company that they would pay for the operation before confirming the procedure.

As your vets have an operating theatre I am assuming that they are not a small outfit and know the procedures to follow and as you had already spoken to the nurse I am stunned that they did not call you to find out where your horse was. I was once 15 minutes late (due to traffice) getting my mare to the vets to have her fractured splint bone removed and they were on the phone to me 5 minutes after I was due there.
 
I feel compelled to stop lurking and put a comment on here......

I would say your YO was at fault, but tbh if this is how you communicate, its no wonder YO & Vet have got it wrong - nothing you have said has made any sense :/
 
Theres lots of precautions that need to be taken before any animal goes in for surgery so i doubt any vet would do any kind of surgery if these things havent been done/checked before hand.
Also ditto others, yard owner has no right to sort transport out ect without your permission first and if he dint know he was due to go in id have thought he would have called you before arranging anythin.

Sorry but i smell i rat too!!!!!!!!
 
Well I think youve summed it up. The YO is a friend, so you don't want to blame her. However I think he/she was more in the wrong than your vet (although I would still make a stink at the vets that the YO was called and not you).

My YM is one of my closest friends, but she would never have transported my horse anywhere without my permission.
 
I would be livid if my YO transported my horse without my permission regardless wether the vet had rang or not.

They vets arent in the wrong imo, I would be blaming the YO friend or not.
 
wench said:
firstly vet and or YO could come on here, therefore I havent wanted to say anything defamatory.

Secondly, YO is a friend of mine and trust their judgement.
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In which case, if you trust YO then noone is in the wrong then obviously.
 
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