is this criminal damage ?

cinnamontoast said:
I meant the backs of all of his legs. The sides look ok?
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sorry :o i she has taken chunks out of the sides and fronts too

littlemisslauren said:
Would people be ok with a YO leaving a horse distressed and rubbing itself raw, in need of treatment?

Not saying that was the case of your friend OP, but some people harp on about YOs not stepping up to the mark and yet when they do take action they are threatened with violence?!

Feathers are only hair, they will grow back.
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i am sure you would be annoyed if someone came into your field/stable without your consent and hogged your horse ? they might only be feathers but they will take at least a year to grow back , my friend gets a lot of pleasure from showing her horse a few times a year which won't now be possible as he looks a mess :(

even if he was left with mites , chopping his feathers off would not be the answer , he actually gets an injection to keep him clear of mites
the YO had no right at all to do this to her horse

this same YO leaves her own horse in a 10 acre field to get fat as a pig then takes the poor thing to a 10 mile ride and wonder's why its exhausted when she is finished
she left her granchilds pony in the field covered in lice and did nothing about it , she could not give a monkeys nuts about her own horses and then when its a nice sunny day decides she's going to play ponies and hacks at someone elses horse without the owners consent , some YO are nuts too ;)
 
Billie1007 said:
Agreed, if it turns out that this horse has a horrendous infestation that has been repeatedly ignored and YO has warned of this course of action then, although not rrreeeaaallly acceptable, it's a different matter. Doesn't sound like that is the case though?
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no that isn't the case if it was i wouldn't be posting on here as she should have done something about it

the YO thinks she can do what the hell she likes its not unusual to arrive at the yard to her hacking back in wearing your saddle on her horse either

i left a few months ago because of her attitude
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=597531
 
Just to offer your friend bit of hope and comfort, we clipped my mare's feathers in November, in order to treat feather mites had to repeat the clip in less than a month and now you really can't tell that she has ever been clipped.
If anyone else had clipped her, or worse still made a complete mess like that in your photos, I would have had great difficulty in keeping my hands to myself - and I'm known for my placid approach to most things. I can't see the point in trying to sue over it - there hasn't been a financial loss, which I believe is the usual basis for such action. If I were your friend, I would leave the yard asap and tell the mad YO exactly why and I would certainly consider leaving her a mess of some kind to sort out after I'd gone but I wouldn't leave a debt because then YO could go to court to recover that debt.
 
I would be very upset and angry :( It's not just the occasional showing, that horse is obviously his owner's pride and joy and why should that be tampered with? :( The way those feathers have been cut won't be helpful to treating any mites anyway :confused: I've known people pull manes thinking they are doing a nice favour, and an owner of a coloured cob I knew one did the ankle-grabbing bell bottoms thing pictured above to her own horse :eek: for a show (whoops) but hacking off feathers like that does seem to be spiteful.

I don't know what I'd do. Probably up and leave without any notice at all, especially after what happened with angelish. By the way whatever happened in the end about that 12.50?!
 
If anyone did that to my hairy boy I'd be taking a razor blade to the top of their head and doing a Britney Spears hair do (or not so much of a do!) and ask how they liked that.


But in all seriousness I don't understand how your friend has kept her hands to herself. I am disgusted at the YO and I would certainly be naming and shaming and then leaving that yard without paying the bill. Call it compensation.
 
well she hasn't calmed down any :eek: but is seeing that maybe suing isn't the way forward and is trying to find somewhere else to take the horse

natch , she had sent me a tx stating "make sure you pay your outstanding livery (one nights stay £3.57) and the £12.50 i owe her and the tack room key"
i told her of course the key will be returned in the morning and to let me know how much remaining livery i owe , i told her to her she would have to take me to court for the 12.50 as she was not getting it
i was very tempted to present her with an invoice for all the help iv'e given her in the past but i just wanted to leave quietly with the least amount of fuss because i just couldn't be bothered with all the drama

iv'e never heard from her since and have blocked her from facebook etc , i'm very happy at my new yard now and wished i'd moved a long time ago , my horse is even more settled too , he used to box walk etc when he was there and that has all stopped now so he must have been picking things up from me

tizzy , the YO has since went on holiday and is not back until next week which is maybe a good thing , my friend won't let it rest and will have something up her sleeve ;)

pearlsasinger unfortunatly she has cut the very long bits off from behind his knees too and they were about a foot long so it will prob take about 8 months for that to grow back (i'm a hairdresser ;) ) she's going up today to see if she can tidy them up somehow , if not i might be able to help her but she would have to take him off the yard because i'm obviously not welcome on there and wouldn't want to get myself into trouble by being where i shouldn't ;)


the posters who are seeing this from a YO's point of view and rightly looking at both sides of the story i can assure you although it could have been a case of this horse being left/neglected etc
that isn't the case , he gets the mite injection regularly and they had washed and brushed all his feathers out the day before she decided to hack them off


ill update this thread and let you all know the outcome
 
I'd maybe describe the haircut as vandalism. It would be like some yob smashing up a garden - the plants etc will grow back but it won't look good for ages.
I'm not surprised your friend is steaming mad, it's not even a neat cut, the hair has just been hacked away. I'm not a confrontational person normally but if this were my horse I'd be ready to do violence.
 
I'd have to dig her up first before I could sue her :eek: :D

Seriously though, I would be furious. But as a very calm, 'revenge is a dish best served cold' type of person, here's what I would do;

Find a new yard. The night I leave, I would hog each of her horses manes and shave a stripe out of the tops of their tails.
I'd then leave a note saying 'you're horses had lice, but don't worry, I've sorted them. Knew you wouldn't mind. All the best.'
Then I would delete her number, ignore all further contact and feel slightly better.

I would actually do this too....!

:D
 
If you use a clipper with blade guards then you should be able to take it all of but at the same time leave enough on not to look like shaun the sheep. I think your friend will have to acccept that she may have to have a trimmed and plaited cob for showing this season then let it all grow back over winter.

I have a hairy trad cob too and would be very very cross.

Def time to move yards. Also be charging YO the cost of getting a 'pro hairdresser' (you) to tidy his legs up.
 
I am :eek: at how many people seem to think its okay to 'help' by trimming someone else's horse!

Its just so bizarre that anyone would think thats not only okay, but that they are doing someone a favour! It really makes you wonder about some people...

ETA: I also love Patterdale's plan!
 
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I'd go absolutely mental if anyone even got near the feathers of my old boy. Anyone who did would pretty soon find themselves fending off the scissors!
 
So the horse does have mites?

Clipping off the feathers and treating the skin, along with frontline and the injections are the only way (iirc) to "manage" them - as you cant get rid of them indefinitely ( according to vet).

If YO had done a better job, id be really thankful, but would have prefered the heads up!

Im guessing there is maybe more to this story, you mentioned he does have mites and is on the injections. No sane person goes out of their way to waste time and energy trimming someone elses horse. So either the YO is insane, or the horse was uncomfortable and the yo was "trying" to help.

As for sueing, as the horse does have mites, and clipping feathers is a method of treatment, your friend doesnt have a leg to stand on. YO will argue she was looking out for the horses best interest when the owner hadnt stepped up to the mark of sorting the problem (whether that's right or wrong).


However, as mentioned above, if owner failed to treat after being told numerous times, its not the yos place to go trimming them without owner consent.

If the horse isnt showing in classes that require them to be left hairy, then clip them off. Will do wonders for his itchiness :)
 
Can't believe people actually think that there is a pov that what this woman did is ok :eek: never mind suggesting that she should be thanked! :eek:

Even IF the horse had terrible mites the YO had absolutely NO right to go hacking at them like that without the owners permission.
 
I have to admit I'd be tempted to invite YO over for a drink to show no hard feelings, make sure she had a few too many and then shave her head, badly, while she slept it off.

I wouldn't actually do this, of course, it would drag me down to her level, but I'd be soo tempted!
 
Billie1007 said:
She must be devastated but unlikely she could sue, tell her not to waste her energy. It will cost her money and unlikely to make it to court as it is cosmetic.

I got to the yard to find that my H/W trad cob mare had had this done to her by my very well meaning friend. It was a real 'ta daaaaa' moment and I could have cried, but she was so well meaning I didn't have the heart to be too cross. I was horrified though, made me sad.

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I know I shouldn't laugh, as it really isn't funny, and I am not surprised you were sad.... but the first thing I thought of, was that if the feathers were dyed black, and you painted little faces on the hooves - you could have a complete set of "Beatles" themed feet circa early 1970's !
 
That's horrible! :mad:
I can't understand why it's in any way acceptable?
If your child had head lice, and one day it cam home from school with its head shaved by the teacher because they thought the child had lice, you'd surely go mental and find it unacceptable? Same with a dog, if it had fleas and someone shaved it without your permission? So I don't see how it can be in any way acceptable with a horse! :mad:
 
If the YO had clipped off the feathers on a vet's instructions she may have a leg to stand on but looking at the pictures this is just vandalism. As the horse was already under veterinary treatment it is possibly criminal damage.

This needs clipping off and starting again.

I would be inclined to send photos to the local paper of the horse in full hair at a show and the hacked off hair pics and say this happened at xxxx so please be vigilant as vandals are about.

Oh & leave ASAP.
 
Reading this makes me want to shave the YO's hair off myself!! What us wrong with people.

Even if the horse did have mites (not that i particularly believe it does), the YO has no right to do that, she should have asked them to leave instead.

I would definitely be doing what Patterdale suggested. Make sure the lines are really choppy too.

Stupid woman.
 
It is pretty awful, I suppose it will all have to come off now :eek:
It does remind of when I employed services of an ''experienced show groom with high turnout standards'' to tidy up my horses after a winter holiday - pull manes, tidy up tails and so on... 1st horse, she asked me how I want the mane, I said SJer, 2 inches all the way. An hour later I came in the barn to find the horse BALD, and I mean BALD :( :eek:
I actually cried.
 
In fairness I thought you would be slightly exaggerating and they would just be a bit short or something. But no, that's horrendous! I'd be gutted :(
 
Eeek gosh :eek: how woul that help mites ? looks like she has grabbed handfuls and randomely hacked bits off leaving longer bits !

This to me looks spiteful :mad: But don't panic to much they grow back so very quickly ... saying that i would probably move yards.

The joy of keeping your horses at home :cool:
 
If it were a mites thing, surely the YO would have taken them all off, leaving virtually bare skin underneath? Rather than this hacking and chopping disaster she's done.

I think, if I were the owner of the horse, I'd be taking it all off and plaiting him up for shows this year, so the feathers will grown back evenly... Poor her :(
 
I would be furious if someone did that to my horse:eek::eek:

Hows that going to help mites anyway, if trimmed foe mites has to be done and treated properly:rolleyes:

feel so sorry for the owner:(
 
alainax said:
So the horse does have mites?

Clipping off the feathers and treating the skin, along with frontline and the injections are the only way (iirc) to "manage" them - as you cant get rid of them indefinitely ( according to vet).

If YO had done a better job, id be really thankful, but would have prefered the heads up!

Im guessing there is maybe more to this story, you mentioned he does have mites and is on the injections. No sane person goes out of their way to waste time and energy trimming someone elses horse. So either the YO is insane, or the horse was uncomfortable and the yo was "trying" to help.

As for sueing, as the horse does have mites, and clipping feathers is a method of treatment, your friend doesnt have a leg to stand on. YO will argue she was looking out for the horses best interest when the owner hadnt stepped up to the mark of sorting the problem (whether that's right or wrong).


However, as mentioned above, if owner failed to treat after being told numerous times, its not the yos place to go trimming them without owner consent.

If the horse isnt showing in classes that require them to be left hairy, then clip them off. Will do wonders for his itchiness :)
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Some of that simply isn't true. Pig oil and sulphur rubbed into the skin and worked into the feathers will get rid of mites, as will a good wash with Dermoline shampoo, Dectomax injections work perfectly well too. You don't need to clip. Feather mites are only like any other lice, and yes they are seasonal, as with any other unwanted visitors

The onlytime you may need to clip and treat is if it had got so bad, you had got an infection in there. This horse hasn't, you would be able to see the crud and scabs in the tufts that are left.

As someone with 6 fully feathered hairy beasts, I would actually kill her!!

That lot will take at least a year to get back to it's former glory :(
 
I'd be after blood if someone did that to my horse!

I had to clip off the hair behind our cob's knees (mallenders) and it's taken around a year to grow back fully. Not as long as your friend's horse's were though:( It was around six months to get them looking halfway decent.
 
OH MY! :eek:

That is terrible, can't imagine what your friend must be feeling and I don't blame her for being angry and threatening to sue!

I would be off the yard in a shot

Poor horse :(
 
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