Is this normal?

sare_bear said:
To those suggesting YO turn horse out, what happens if the horse has an accident in the field when owner does not know it is out. It is DIY after all. As long as it has hay and water, its needs are being met until she goes.
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By this logic, one may as well ask what happens if it colics after eating the hay given to it by the YO!
 
The duty of care thing needs to change IMO. It's another get out of looking after your horse clause for bad owners. When we did DIY it was DIY not full
Livery because we both had full time jobs and four horses of our own plus a family.. We didn't have time to do other people's.

Could the horse not be turned out and left out for now?
 
Honey08 said:
The duty of care thing needs to change IMO. It's another get out of looking after your horse clause for bad owners. When we did DIY it was DIY not full
Livery because we both had full time jobs and four horses of our own plus a family.. We didn't have time to do other people's.

Could the horse not be turned out and left out for now?
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Sometimes I think duty of care for YO should include the right to sign the animal over to a welfare agency if deemed necessary.
 
Moomince Pie said:
I really do feel for you OP, these situations are always tricky and so frustrating. Could you possibly get an officer from WHW to have a little chat with the owner to give her a kick up the backside until she goes?
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But would they be interested if it's being fed, Hayed and watered............ Ok not by the owner. The horse is a good weight and feet look ok etc.
 
Moomince Pie said:
It's needs aren't being met if it's stood ankle deep in the proverbial for 24 hours at a time.
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Not to my standards no, but she is coming down once a day and presumably mucking out. I don't agree with it, but I also would not turn out unless there was a written agreement between her and me to do so with a charge, until she leaves. This is the type of person that would try and pin anything on YO if something went wrong and hadn't been approved by owner. Call me a cynic. There are plenty of horses sadly that stand in dirty boxes all day long and that would not make the horse a case of neglect, if it has food and water.

OP, I would in future have written in a contract that horse must be seen by owner twice daily and by no later than x time each morning or horse will be attended to by you and charged accordingly. Seen this on lots of yards now for the exact reason you describe.
 
Loulou2002 said:
But would they be interested if it's being fed, Hayed and watered............ Ok not by the owner. The horse is a good weight and feet look ok etc.
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Either this person is fit to own and look after a horse or they aren't. Let WHW decide that. If nothing else, it would be on record, and the owner couldn't then turn round in future and say that they weren't aware of your concerns and/or badmouth you to others...
 
amymay said:
Yes, please do. There are clearly welfare issues here stemming from the owners neglect, and the yard owners collusion.
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I'm not sure why OP is getting such a hard time from you amymay. She clearly is trying to resolve the situation and asking for advice.
 
Sare_bear yes will definitely add this in to the contract! We've cut right down on our liveries since the summer and it's a shame when you get one that's a nightmare!
 
Arizahn said:
Sometimes I think duty of care for YO should include the right to sign the animal over to a welfare agency if deemed necessary.
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Yes, or sell it after so many weeks of neglect. A yard I worked on 30 yrs ago took over ownership of a non paying livery. After not much happened to the YO who shot a livery in York this year I wonder if it will happen more (not so dramatically).
 
Loulou2002 said:
But would they be interested if it's being fed, Hayed and watered............ Ok not by the owner. The horse is a good weight and feet look ok etc.
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The Animal Welfare Act states that an animal must have a suitable environment and an owner must prevent the animal from pain, injury, suffering and disease. Whilst it doesn't sound like this horse is suffering any of the latter mentioned, if it is stood in a filthy stable it is more likely to be at risk from thrush etc therefore they are not meeting two of it's needs IMO. A suitable environment is deemed as one which is clean and appropriate for that animal, to what would be reasonably expected. It isn't expected that a horse should be left in 24hrs with only one muck out.
 
sare_bear said:
Not to my standards no, but she is coming down once a day and presumably mucking out. I don't agree with it, but I also would not turn out unless there was a written agreement between her and me to do so with a charge, until she leaves. This is the type of person that would try and pin anything on YO if something went wrong and hadn't been approved by owner. Call me a cynic. There are plenty of horses sadly that stand in dirty boxes all day long and that would not make the horse a case of neglect, if it has food and water.

OP, I would in future have written in a contract that horse must be seen by owner twice daily and by no later than x time each morning or horse will be attended to by you and charged accordingly. Seen this on lots of yards now for the exact reason you describe.
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That clause is a good thing to have in a contract. It shouldn't be needed ideally, but it certainly makes sense!
 
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