Is this reasonable - farrier contact?

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I have been with my farrier for around 16 years. I have always paid on the day of appointment without question, had horses in and clean in preparation, booked at 6 week intervals at the end of each appointment and tried not to mess him around changing dates etc unless absolutely necessary (usually down to work, I work full time and the business I'm in makes it very hard to get time off in Summer - if I do have to change, it would normally be with at least a week's notice so the farrier can 'fill the gap'). On the rare occasions my horse pulls a shoe off (being a loon in the field) I always find the shoe and pay the £25 cost to refit it. I am very happy with my farrier's work, he is very knowledgeable and I trust him to do a good job. He trains a lot of apprentices so usually I have a van with 2 or 3 farriers (a couple of them training) who come to me, very rarely the main farrier himself - not a problem as horse is easy with good feet, and people have to train on the job. There are usually two or three 'groups' who operate from the practice covering a wide area, so you're never really sure who you will be seeing. I have to text on the day before the appointment to get a time from the farrier - sometimes he doesn't text me back until the morning of the day. I can normally sort it at work by taking a last minute morning or afternoon off but am technically supposed to give notice of this. I prefer not to take the full day as a) I am very busy, and this time of year is a nuisance! and b) holiday is few and far between - if I can make one day's holiday cover two farrier appts, all the better.

Still with me?! Over the years, the timing has become more and more of a guideline, which of course is understandable if they have difficult horses at a previous job, or bad traffic etc. It became usual for them to be at least 45 mins or an hour late turning up, and several times I had a call at about 5pm after having waited around all afternoon taking the afternoon off to be told they wouldn't make it to me that day. I am at a very small DIY livery yard a 20 min drive from home and from work, so it's not like I can just dash out in a few moments when they arrive.

The farrier has always been dreadful at getting in touch - he doesn't have a voicemail on his mobile, so unless he's able to answer at the time, you can't get hold of him. I've found texting is easier, and it's presumably easier for him to respond, and less time consuming. I never text or call in the evenings or at the weekend, as it's not appropriate if he's not working. After several years, I started asking for the first appt of the day, technically 8am. They can even manage to be late for this by 20/30 mins. We did have a little fall out last year when I was trying to arrange for him to see my new mare who had two abscesses and he didn't turn up/call back. My farrier was very short with me and was prepared to let me go to another farrier without question until I actually managed to speak to him and explain my frustrations with the lack of contact and response. I appreciate that their working day is always changing, but all I ask is to be kept informed.

Fast forward to last week, my new mare has been unshod for 8 months, trimmed every other time, but now is feeling footy and needs shoes to continue work. I had discussed this at my last appt, and the farrier I had that time said just see how it goes and let them know. I text my farrier last week to say I didn't think she could last to the next appt, could he possibly put fronts on - happy to work with him on time and would make my work fit around it. No response that day so I called at the end of the day and managed to speak to him. He provisionally said Weds, but would get in touch with me on Monday to confirm for sure. I worked around the assumption that it would be Weds, or possibly Thurs (my usual 'day' for the area) and waited. No call on Monday so I text him just as a reminder. No call or text Tues or Weds, so I text Weds afternoon to say I guessed he wasn't coming, and that I had managed to take Thurs afternoon off if that worked for him. Still no contact.

Am I being unreasonably in feeling a) under valued as a client (I think I'm a good client!) and b) that the lack of contact is bordering on rude?! I can't ride my 4 yo much more until she has front shoes as she's uncomfortable which isn't really fair. I have been a longstanding client and just want to be kept in the loop - I pay happily pay over £80 for a set of shoes because the standard of work is good, but is the most expensive in the area. I feel that as I only have a couple of horses, maybe I'm not as lucrative as some of his other clients?!

Do I cut my losses and get the other farrier who comes to the yard to do the mare (and keep the same one for my gelding?), he's cheaper, friendly, answers his phone, but a one man band so a different set up and obviously works in a different way but what would happen if he decided to move away? I suppose I'm afraid of the unknown as have been with my farrier for so long.

I know farriers can be hard to get hold of but they are running a business and I am a client - I think I feel annoyed as I would never treat a client this way in my working environment, and suppose I expect other people to extend the same courtesy to me - I am being unreasonable?!

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You are not being unreasonable to expect a professional service and your current farrier is being unprofessional and taking you (and your business) for granted. One thing that I loathe and that is not having a phone call/text acknowledged - even if it's only to say - sorry, really busy - will get back to you. I know of another farrier in the area who lost a client of 30 years standing because he suddenly became impossible to get hold of (it went on for several months, so she was patient with him, to a point, before she changed.)

One of my previous farriers lost my business (and with 6 horses, that was not insignificant) partly due to that - I would text him for an appointment (his preferred method of contact as he lived in a poor reception area) and he would text me the date - but he wouldn't be in touch until he had organised the date, which could be a week/10 days before I heard. Drove me nuts - I never heard from him in between, so I was never sure he'd even got my text.

Last farrier would get all his days/times sorted on a Sunday evening, with Wednesday being his day for my area. Worked well.

Current (new) farrier is setting up his business so is working all hours and is making himself available - he came and put a shoe back on at 9pm the other day - I love youthful enthusiasm! although sadly, it will wane and he'll get a more regular working routine as he gets more clients.
 
agree with spacefaer - I had a similar experience with my farrier of 10 years. Suddenly dropped all contact with no explanation, but I know he is still going to yards 5 mins away. I gave up after a frustrating period of chasing and having to get random farriers to plug the gap.
Don't be afraid to change, you know what to look out for in terms of good shoeing so I'd be quite happy to try the other farrier that comes to the yard. If he's built up a client base in the area then he'll be unlikely to just randomly move so you could well end up with another long term set-up. I bet it'll be a huge relief to have someone who actually communicates!
 
I had one do that on me and my horse's feet got really bad while he was failing to return calls. I changed, which I found quite difficult because I had used him for years and regarded him as a friend.
But that's no way to run a business and reputations spread quickly around the horse community. You have been more than fair - find one who appreciates your custom
 
It seems to be a running theme for farriers to be awful at replying (sorry if I am generalising but it is my personal experience).

I am currently in between farriers, but I have ditched 1 farrier for not replying, 1 for sending out a pair of 1st year and 2nd year apprentices unsupervised to an abscess and put a shoe back on (HUGE GULP!!), and one for leaving me waiting for hours at a time constantly and then on one occasion not turn up! No call, no text, nothing! (Final straw!)

So no, you are not being unreasonable - find a farrier who appriciates your custom!

My favourate farrier is unfortunately back home and I am nowhere near him. Our yard day was a Wednesday so I'd drop him a text and he'd fit me in. He once forgot about me to put a shoe on my mare and I sent him a text along the lines of "Did you manage to come to P's feet?" and I got a call within 5 minutes "omg I am so sorry, I am just home, I am coming out right now I had an emergancy earlier and completely forgot" and he knocked £10 off! :D He was also an amazing farrier.
 
Don't you think we should be reporting them to the FRC, especially the one who sent apprentices to refit a shoe? They may do nothing but they would have a body of statistics on what poor customer service some of their members are guilty of
 
There is nothing more frustrating that a farrier who is difficult to get hold of. One farrier I had years ago never answered his phone, mobile or home. I figured out eventually that he switched his mobile on at around 12 pm (when he took his lunch break) so that his wife could ring him! He was always letting me down with no warning and then I would be the one chasing him up. Drove me nuts! Eventually I had to get a new farrier as he became ill with kidney failure so couldn't continue working. It was absolutely bliss to have a new farrier who did what he said he would do.
In recent years where I am based, a lot of riders have given up (retired or simply run out of money) and the market for the farrier has shrunk considerably with the result that THEY are having to chase us for work. The rivalry between farriers has led to them poaching work. Its quite a revelation!
Don't be afraid to change farriers and remember, if you go onto the Farriers Registration Council website they have a list of working farriers that you can contact in your area.
 
No you are not being unreasonable, I would be looking for another farrier tbh.

You are paying good money for a service, you should not have to keep chasing him up. I can understand some vagueness for a lost shoe but for me I would question having to chase for a time the day before a pre booked appointment.
 
I at one point went through 5 farriers in the space of several months due to unreliability/bad work. I then posted on FB about what the hell was wrong with farriers and my My current one replied try him and low and behold he has never let me down.
 
Thanks so much everyone for your input. I do try to be reasonable and understand that farriery particularly is a profession where it's difficult to stick to exact times etc, but you've certainly given me food for thought. I have actually received a text today, a week after the conversation that my mare was footsore and four days after I was expecting a call with an appt date/time, to say he's hurt his back (understandable) and can't get to me but will try to arrange something. I appreciate that such an injury can throw things out, but I must say with several farriers working under him, I would have expected some contact before now to let me know that an appt would be difficult. I will wait for a few days and see what happens but if we get to this time next week with no plan of action, I will look for alternatives that suit my particular requirements better. Thanks for all your input. Red wine and bolognese for you all! x
 
agree with spacefaer - I had a similar experience with my farrier of 10 years. Suddenly dropped all contact with no explanation, but I know he is still going to yards 5 mins away. I gave up after a frustrating period of chasing and having to get random farriers to plug the gap.
Don't be afraid to change, you know what to look out for in terms of good shoeing so I'd be quite happy to try the other farrier that comes to the yard. If he's built up a client base in the area then he'll be unlikely to just randomly move so you could well end up with another long term set-up. I bet it'll be a huge relief to have someone who actually communicates!

Similar experience... Farrier of 18 years, I always had to chase and if I asked to be put in the diary for 6 weeks time he would say he had and week 6 would arrive and low and behold he hadn't booked me in or just wouldn't get back to me for weeks.

In all the years I had him I never cancelled, until one day after the third attempt to arrange this appointment I said I couldn't do it as I had another appointment, was told by wife they would be in contact ... Never heard anything. Still does horses down the road from me as I saw him the other day, his face was a picture! Lol

By this point I was getting sick and tired of what I class as rude behaviour to me as he would always send me inside (horses kept at home) whilst he did his job my last appointment he told me purple spray (horse had slit his heel bulb) was 'a special spray only vets could get'. At the end of the day he had no respect for me as a horse owner, it's quite demoralising! I'm not an expert horse person and kind of bumble along in my own little way, but I generally get good results (although seem to have terrible luck! Lol).

Anyway... Long and the short of it is got a new farrier, he's a bit scary, but does a fabulous job and is really progressive in his thinking and takes any of my concerns seriously without getting grumpy.
It's scary moving on from something you know so well but you may be surprised. I put it off for years but now I wish I had done it sooner.
 
My farrier gives me a time for my next appointment and is always on time, if not early. If he is early he has been known to start without me... If he is going to be late he always phones.

There are good farriers out there - find another on recommendation.

If anyone is in the Rossendale area Scott Moores is fab!
 
I have changed farriers a few times for the sort of reasons you stated. I can't take time off from work so I need someone who sticks to appointment times most of the time and is easy to contact.... Horse now isn't shod so I use a trimmer. We're slightly out of his area so we tend to have weekend visits which means it doesn't really matter if I don't have a firm time until on the day / if he's a few hours late... Maybe you could see if there's anyone in your area that will come out on weekends as think there's a few farriers near to me that do Saturday mornings as part of their normal routine.
 
Your time is just as important as theirs. Sounds like he's taken on too many customers, quality then suffers. Try some others.
 
I've had 3 farriers in my time (only changed each time due to moving house & yards to very different areas). I have never experienced a late or a non communicative farrier! Maybe I have just been lucky - but it's not something I would tolerate. The myth that somehow farriers are allowed to operate to different rules to the rest of society just doesn't wash with me I'm afraid! Also my 3 farriers have been different ages. The first one was older - very experienced but also very busy. He wasn't taking on any new work and preferred to only have clients in a small radius, but fortunately he lived in the same village as the yard! The second very young, covered an enormous area and worked very long days (he shod mine at 6am). Consequently he couldn't be very flexible about days but was always there on time on the day you booked. The current one is somewhere in between. The middle one preferred text and email - the first was calls only - but none of them were late or failed to turn up or were ever hard to get hold of. With all of them I booked my next appointment on the day of the current appointment and I rarely altered it as they could do me before I had to go to work.

Currently my yard has a number of horses done at the same time and YO kindly holds horses so I no longer need to be there, which is a godsend now I have a 1hr commute, This does mean I could afford to be less fussy about communication - but I still think it is not on! I'd be looking elsewhere pronto.
 
My last farrier was awful to try and get hold of. Never answered his phone or replied to messages or texts. He also wouldn't book an appointment at the time so I always had to chase him. The thing that really did it for me though was when he did one of my horses feet and within weeks they were awful. I spent ages trying to get hold of him to come and sort them to finally be told he couldn't come out as he was going on holiday the next day. I had had enough by this point so contacted another farrier to come out and the day he arrived my old farrier (who was on holiday) turned up on the yard to do someone else's horse! He then proceeded to give me a load of verbal abuse for getting another farrier! He used to shoe quite a lot of horses on the yard but now only does one horse. My new farrier however is fantastic, always on time or early, if for some unexpected reason he is going to be late then he phones, and never any problem contacting him. Best thing I ever done!
 
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I never understand why people running a business think its acceptable to treat clients in this way?! A service is a service no matter what, its hardly as if they're doing it as a favour! They're being paid for it!! No one would think it acceptable to go for a meal and be sat waiting for 3 hours for their meal yet it just seems to be accepted with farriers!

I will say that i'm very grateful to have a farrier who is always on time - my husband often works from home so he may ring to ask if the time can be changed on the day but thats agreed with us and if he can't change the time then he comes at the pre-specified time. Our next appointment is booked whilst he is there with the diary in front of him. He always replies to texts/calls and in the event one of the horses loses a shoe, is quick to come out and put back on. Maybe we are just lucky but i really don't think its acceptable for people to not let their custiners know they are going to be hours late or worse, not turn up at all when they have took holiday especially for the appointment!
 
I understand how hard it is to change when you trust them to do a good job and they've always done your horses. However, I started to use a new guy who had the brain to go round the local tack shops and leave his card whilst making himself pleasant. He started to do a few horses at my old yard then came to my new yard when I moved. He now does all of the school horses and practically every private livery too. He has specific days when he comes and all I need to do is leave the horse in, he gets him out, puts him away etc.

I became very frustrated at the lack of communication from my old farrier so I'm delighted to have this other guy.
 
I would NOT accept an apprentice dealing with my horses feet without the farrier being present, so I would not use your farrier, OP. IMO the farrier needs to be familiar with the individual horses feet, in order to be able to deal with them properly.
 
I haven't read the whole thread but as a matter of policy, i never just use one professional, but shop around for the best price/one to do the job. I think it keeps them on their toes knowing that!

I recently used a new farrier who had just started up. A young pony was limping and I wanted that foot looked at, so I concentrated on teaching her to have that foot handled. The farrier came out and picked the hoof out and declared it was a small abcess that had almost cleared up by itself. The filly would not allow her other feet to be lifted and we did not persist. £20 fee which was OK but if wanting new clients, greedy for a five minute job. (Yeah, I know, I'm mean!).

Next time I sent an email for a dozen ponies needing trims and have had no reply. It will be a while before I try to contact him again. The farrier he trained with is meticulous about getting back to clients but he hasn't been here himself for years and I always get apprentices/assistants which is fine as all mine are bare footed and just needing a trim. That works out about the same as the farrier above's five minute job!

Keep 'em on the hop and don't let them think they are "your" farrier. I always tell them, they are not and never fail to mention how good the other guy is! Same with vets.
 
I haven't read the whole thread but as a matter of policy, i never just use one professional, but shop around for the best price/one to do the job. I think it keeps them on their toes knowing that!

^^ hmmm not convinced. I agree there's no need for loyalty when they mess you around or don't do a satisfactory job, but if you seem like a fly by night client then I wouldn't expect any professional to put themselves out for you at all.
In my experience, the fussy, difficult to commit etc clients are bottom of the list when it comes to favours - lost shoe etc. It works both ways in a business like this, the client should be reliable as well as the pro. I know I'd take on the good regular clients and let the one-offs slide to the bottom of my priorities.

Also FWIW I don't think £20 is expensive for a one off job that might sound like it would be leading to nowhere. It's still, I'd guess, half an hour or an hour of his day if you include driving to and from your place, plus needing to budget an amount of time to dealing with it if the problem had been more complicated. That's an hour that cant't be used to shoe someone else's regular horse (assuming he's one of the good guys who isn't overoptimistic with time and always late as a result ...)
If he'd known you might be a regular client then that £20 might have been £10 or even waived if you were on his route to another job ;)

*should declare an interest, my OH is a farrier ;) *
 
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I'm with you Milliepops - would my farrier have came out at 7.30pm on a Friday night as a favour to take the shoe off my horse to find suspected abcess if i'd been 'keeping him on his toes', or come out within 24 hours to replace lost shoes - i highly doubt it!!! Personally i think a good support network (vets/farriers etc) for your horses is invaluable and not worth p***ing them off for the sake of a couple of £'s!
 
I haven't read the whole thread but as a matter of policy, i never just use one professional, but shop around for the best price/one to do the job. I think it keeps them on their toes knowing that!

I recently used a new farrier who had just started up. A young pony was limping and I wanted that foot looked at, so I concentrated on teaching her to have that foot handled. The farrier came out and picked the hoof out and declared it was a small abcess that had almost cleared up by itself. The filly would not allow her other feet to be lifted and we did not persist. £20 fee which was OK but if wanting new clients, greedy for a five minute job. (Yeah, I know, I'm mean!).

Next time I sent an email for a dozen ponies needing trims and have had no reply. It will be a while before I try to contact him again. The farrier he trained with is meticulous about getting back to clients but he hasn't been here himself for years and I always get apprentices/assistants which is fine as all mine are bare footed and just needing a trim. That works out about the same as the farrier above's five minute job!

Keep 'em on the hop and don't let them think they are "your" farrier. I always tell them, they are not and never fail to mention how good the other guy is! Same with vets.

If I was a farrier (or any other professional) in your area, I think I'd do everything to avoid having you as a client! If you kept telling me how good the other guy was, I'd be thinking "well if he was that good, why aren't you still using him".

As milliepops said, a £20 fee is perfectly reasonable - he's taken the time to come out to you and look at your pony even though you're not an established client. If there had been a 'proper' abscess and he'd dealt with it accordingly, would you still have thought it unreasonable?

Also, his first experience of one of your ponies was one who wouldn't pick all her feet up. He could well have thought that all your other ponies would be the same (not saying they are) and that 12 of them like that would be more hassle than it was worth!
 
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