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Hi, another newbie here looking for advice. Have just had prospective new horse vetted today. Vet has passed him but has said that he has hunters bump (not something I've come across before). Horse is a rising 6, 16.2 Cleveland Bay X TB who has only been hacking with previous owner and has justed started to learn to jump. I'm looking to do the usual riding club activities and maybe a few days hunting each season. Vet has said he has no concerns that horse can carry out these activities. Just wondered if any of you have experience of this and whether you would still purchase horse with this. Your thoughts will be most appreciated.
 
Hi there, hope you enjoy the forum, hope this helps.
A Hunter's Bump is generally described (since it is a vague term) as inflammation or swelling over the croup or even as far up as the lower spine (lumber area). What you'll see as you look at the horse from behind is one side of the pelvis looks raised at the croup (sacrum-which is the large fused bone after the lower back). The sacrum didn't move because it can't, but the muscles surrounding the sacrum swelled up more on the raised side. A Hunter's Bump is caused by overuse. The treatment is rest. Massage helps. But rest is the key. And I'm talking about a long rest--months if necessary--that is, if the bump is causing problems with riding or performance. If the bump is just a cosmetic/conformation annoyance, then it's really not a big problem.

A Jumper's Bump is a luxated Sacro-Iliac Joint (SI)--the joint where the sacrum meets with the pelvis. If you prefer, you can call this the Sacro-Pelvic joint. What you'll see in a Jumper's Bump is the whole pelvis, including the point of the hip, has become unhinged and pops way up. It is not a soft tissue bump and it's not swelling. The top of the pelvis almost looks grotesque with a very exaggerated tall bump at the top of the pelvis--sometimes 4 or 5 inches taller than it should be. Once you see it, you'll never forget it. It's rare. But the SI is supposed to be fused by age ten so there isn't suppose to be any movement between the sacrum and the pelvis. A Jumper's bump then is a broken joint not a broken bone. The ligaments that hold the SI joint together have become unglued and have pulled away.

A Jumper's Bump usually happens to experienced jumpers---one fateful jump during the launch, something pops in mid air and they land with the bump. As bad as it looks, and it looks pretty bad, it isn't considered a lameness condition and it is not a death sentence. Some of these horses can lead a normal riding life after it happens, and some can even jump again. The main problem with performance is not so much the SI joint, but the hip sockets. A Jumper's Bump forces the hip sockets to tip up, thus changing the angle of the thigh bones (femurs) and putting a different pull on the hip muscles. Re-training those muscles is the key.

There is no treamtment of any kind for Jumper's bump. You can never reduce that bump.

A lot of reading there me thinks LOL
 
OOh Ranchgirl - excellent reply. I didnt know what the difference was or what caused these 'abnormalities'. Ive learnt a bit more today. Thank.
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Im sure if the vet has passed the animal in question then there is nothing to be concerned about. Good luck anyhow, reading up in the subject will allow you to make a more educated opinion.
 
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Hi there, hope you enjoy the forum, hope this helps.
A Hunter's Bump is generally described (since it is a vague term) as inflammation or swelling over the croup or even as far up as the lower spine (lumber area). What you'll see as you look at the horse from behind is one side of the pelvis looks raised at the croup (sacrum-which is the large fused bone after the lower back). The sacrum didn't move because it can't, but the muscles surrounding the sacrum swelled up more on the raised side. A Hunter's Bump is caused by overuse. The treatment is rest. Massage helps. But rest is the key. And I'm talking about a long rest--months if necessary--that is, if the bump is causing problems with riding or performance. If the bump is just a cosmetic/conformation annoyance, then it's really not a big problem.

A Jumper's Bump is a luxated Sacro-Iliac Joint (SI)--the joint where the sacrum meets with the pelvis. If you prefer, you can call this the Sacro-Pelvic joint. What you'll see in a Jumper's Bump is the whole pelvis, including the point of the hip, has become unhinged and pops way up. It is not a soft tissue bump and it's not swelling. The top of the pelvis almost looks grotesque with a very exaggerated tall bump at the top of the pelvis--sometimes 4 or 5 inches taller than it should be. Once you see it, you'll never forget it. It's rare. But the SI is supposed to be fused by age ten so there isn't suppose to be any movement between the sacrum and the pelvis. A Jumper's bump then is a broken joint not a broken bone. The ligaments that hold the SI joint together have become unglued and have pulled away.

A Jumper's Bump usually happens to experienced jumpers---one fateful jump during the launch, something pops in mid air and they land with the bump. As bad as it looks, and it looks pretty bad, it isn't considered a lameness condition and it is not a death sentence. Some of these horses can lead a normal riding life after it happens, and some can even jump again. The main problem with performance is not so much the SI joint, but the hip sockets. A Jumper's Bump forces the hip sockets to tip up, thus changing the angle of the thigh bones (femurs) and putting a different pull on the hip muscles. Re-training those muscles is the key.

There is no treamtment of any kind for Jumper's bump. You can never reduce that bump.

A lot of reading there me thinks LOL

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Yeh what she said. lol
 
Errr not doing any research
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I asked you where it was from, you haven't answered - that is the "still trying to find out where" comment. Just pointing out the fact that you could actually be prosecuted for passing off huge chunks of text as your own - and would LOVE to know where that research came from as I don't entirely agree with it.

Enjoy your snack, milk and cookies?
 
Quote: "Good luck anyhow, reading up in the subject will allow you to make a more educated opinion."

That depends entirely on what you read. The downside of the internet and the proliferation of 'experts' writing in horse magazines is (1) there is a lot of incorrect nonsense floating around, much more than there is accurate info and (2) it's more difficult to evalute what is authoritative because it is often unattributed.

So I think the sensible advice would be - if you read anything choose your source carefully! Lynz5's reference to a H&H article is authoritative - Sue Dyson is a very experienced Equine Vet in one of the UK's best equine facilities.
 
Oooh, I will be prosecuted, that sounds rather threatening, please police dont come and arrest me especially as Im so enjoying my little advent bottle and rusk YUM YUM

he he he
 
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Quote: "Good luck anyhow, reading up in the subject will allow you to make a more educated opinion."

That depends entirely on what you read. The downside of the internet and the proliferation of 'experts' writing in horse magazines is (1) there is a lot of incorrect nonsense floating around, much more than there is accurate info and (2) it's more difficult to evalute what is authoritative because it is often unattributed.

So I think the sensible advice would be - if you read anything choose your source carefully! Lynz5's reference to a H&H article is authoritative - Sue Dyson is a very experienced Equine Vet in one of the UK's best equine facilities.

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Very True. WHy not ask your vet to clarify?
 
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Oooh, I will be prosecuted, that sounds rather threatening, please police dont come and arrest me especially as Im so enjoying my little advent bottle and rusk YUM YUM

he he he

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pathetic. it takes just one sad perosn to ruin a whole thread
 
Hi maxie - welcome to the forum, hope you're getting something out of this post

What you're seeing happens a lot and it's all good fun. You get people like ranchgirl who are more than ready to come on and express a view but infact they know nothing really about the subject and care so little that they might be giving false and misleading information that they just cop out when somebody challenges them to try to see whether there is any reasonable basis to what they are saying.

The moral is, as I'm sure you've gathered be careful what you believe and enjoy the fun!

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I am not a pathetic person you are, I was giving the person helpful advice, have you got a problem with that. Your pathetic for daring to insult me first. Go on follow along SHEEP.
 
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I am not a pathetic person you are, I was giving the person helpful advice, have you got a problem with that. Your pathetic for daring to insult me first. Go on follow along SHEEP.

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You need to REFERENCE the advice you gave, it clearly wasn't your own - sheesh!
 
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I am not a pathetic person you are, I was giving the person helpful advice, have you got a problem with that. Your pathetic for daring to insult me first. Go on follow along SHEEP.

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You need to REFERENCE the advice you gave, it clearly wasn't your own - sheesh!

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Whizzy it's a horse forum not some sort of acedemic treatise.

You need to CALM DOWN! LOL
 
More importantly though Wheezy, I offered constructive advice, better than anybody else come up with, and I thought it to be rather good, the OP was pleased with it, but you had a problem with it.

And I imagine a new poster would feel rather threatened by a queen getting on her post and insulting people.
Too bad, go and find someone else to have a problem with, I have enough of my own without the 56 million posts a day lady jumping down my throat to.

Remember keep it real
Cookies and milk are best
LOL and some
 
I actually feel rather threatened by your posts...I dont see anyone else getting up on their soapbox about something so trivial as being asked for a reference.

FFS there are more important things in life and sadly a slanging match on an open forum doesn't come high on my list of priorities
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I would actually like to know PERSONALLY where you sourced that info from. My friends new horse has a jumpers bump and she would be interested to know more about it......I also have never heard of it as described in your "quotation"
 
As neither poster has asked me in an appropriate manner, I will not be revealing my sources, as you all have a lot of time on your hands to create such huge amounts of posts Im sure you can club together in your cliques and find the bloody answers yourselves.

Such rude people, TUT, TUT, and to think I bother with this forum.

Excluding all the nice peeps of course
You know who you are

Anyone who agrees can PM me LOL
 
have to say ranch girl that you realy should referance where you got it from if it isnt your own work.
It doesnt matter if its an academic thing or on a forum, it is in the public domain and therefore plagerism. both yourself and HHO can be sued if the original author of the peice of work comes on here and decides to do so.

Please at least watch your back and say where you got it. its very similar to proffessional photos you can only use those photos if youve bought the copyright.

as for the OP i have no idea sorry but i personally would go back to the vet and ask him to explain further. If he is not your normal vet then asking your normal vet would be good too
 
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