it was only a matter of time..

No we have no proof it was her... i suppose after everything that has gone on i just jump to conclusions...

i do believe this is why the owner of the other pony is not blaming us as it 'could' have been her other pony..

going off subject a bit ginger has had more tests and still no conclusion
 
cronkmooar said:
Playing devils advocate (and whilst I have read each page it was skim reading;))

But did anyone actually see what happened?

Sadly horses do break legs for what appears to be no apparent reason, and I speak from experience of having a horse shatter her pastern in the stable when she got up.

Not saying that the horse shouldnt be segregated - but is there any proof that the other horse was kicked by JG's horse?
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No. Equally it could be the other pony in field.

However if you instantly jump to it being your horse, then there are significant reasons to get it alone and see it as a warning if it wasn't JG's horse.
 
jessikaGinger said:
No we have no proof it was her... i suppose after everything that has gone on i just jump to conclusions...

i do believe this is why the owner of the other pony is not blaming us as it 'could' have been her other pony..

going off subject a bit ginger has had more tests and still no conclusion
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Well I think the best way to look at this is that it might not have been your horse and the person who has lost their horse is not baying for blood so learn the lesson that has been taught!

Take precautions now so that you are not in this position again - good luck with finding out what is the matter with her, what a complete nightmare
 
ok... I think we all ned to jump down off our high horses a mo... there were more than 2 horses out in the field so a) it might not have been her that kicked the Y/O's horse anyway and b) it might not have even been a kick that caused it.

Either way it is a tragic accident and my heart goes out to the owner.

That said OP if you are really concerned about your mare's behaviour I would seriously consider seperating her from the herd. If the agression is only seen at feed times you should CERTAINLY remove her from the field to feed. IMO unless you have a very well established herd who understand the pecking order, feeding in the field is a bit silly anyway.
 
And just an aside, ate horses being given hard feed in the field or hay. Because if she's food aggressive it's so easily solved....
 
amymay said:
And just an aside, ate horses being given hard feed in the field or hay. Because if she's food aggressive it's so easily solved....
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If she was mine I think there are too many other issues currently to just do this and turn out with others again. But I'd definitely keep food out of the equation if she was integrated back with others after other problems sorted.
 
A tragic accident BUT "it was only a matter of time". I think the OP knows it was her horse and that is why she chose the title.

Having seen my pony suffer so badly from another horse's kick (which had blood all up her leg and back) my sympathy lies entirely with the poor horse that suffered here.

A dangerous horse is just that and can never be trusted. What if she took a swipe at a human next time ? I would be devastated if my horse did this, even if it was an accident. I'm very confused by all this, and the OP's reaction to it.
 
I'm sorry, i just don't understand - you say you came on here for a moan in your first post, if it was me I would be devastated, gutted.

Maybe I am missing the bigger picture, I've said my bit (sorry if it's harsh), and I'll leave it at that.

You say ; "Really just need a moan".
 
I think JG has been very graceful in accepting that her horse may well and truly have ended that pony's life - she offered to leave the yard, YO would have known of JG's horse's issues and still thought it was right to turn out together. People turn out in groups while accepting a risk. JG hasn't reported major aggression in the past but has reported biting, ears, faces, aggression over food. How many of us can say that our horses have NEVER displayed any of those behaviours. Oh actually, there will be one amongst us and I can put money on who that might be :). My mare will make to kick out at a gelding who follows her round pulling on the back of her rug, she doesn't ever get him - just bunny hops at him - should she be turned out alone. Yes, if JG's horse was responsible it could have been avoided by individual turnout but anyone who thinks that JG needs 'running through' for this should go back to the issue at hand. The owner of pony accepted risk, isn't baying for blood and so JG is 'lucky', why all the 'if that were mine, ooohh it happened to me' stories? JG sorry you are going through a tough time, thoughts for the pony and owner :( x x
 
I apologise for my hasty response however i am devastated i don't think there's been much time when i haven't cried since this happened

Unfortunatly my writing skills never were very good and how one person may interprit what's written can differ alot from how another would
 
JG.. its the wording of the title i think thats got everyones back up.
my horse is a reformed biter.. he had to stand on his own for a year before he was turned out with a field full of heavies.
If i turned him out with a new herd i would nt be surprised to see a few bites... but I would be hugely shocked if he kicked another horse and broke its leg. Its not something i would expect to happen despite his history ..
I don t think you ever expected your pony to do this (and you don t know she did) Your title suggests that you did expect this to happen.
You are being very hard on yourself.. it s what you do now that you know you may have a problem that matters,
good luck
 
How awful for everyone there's nothing anyone can say to make it better.
I have one who goes out alone because he's unpredictable with others suddenly goes for them kicking with out warning .
He's settled to it I feel bad for him but I have to do it yours will get used to it too.
So sorry for you all.
 
shysmum said:
I'm sorry, i just don't understand - you say you came on here for a moan in your first post, if it was me I would be devastated, gutted.

Maybe I am missing the bigger picture, I've said my bit (sorry if it's harsh), and I'll leave it at that.

You say ; "Really just need a moan".
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I agree the first post was not worded very well, if my horse had injured another I would be absolutely devastated.

I really feel for you though jess you must feel wretched, you have really been through the mill with this mare. It must feel like theres no light at the end of the tunnel x
 
I'm sure you are devastated and as most people have said, these things happen and it the YO was prepared to take the risk. There is only an assumption that your pony kicked the other horse, no definitive proof, so on that basis I would keep her separated from the others when turned out from now on.

Is this is the mare that foaled? I have known a few mares who become difficult after weaning a foal, I think I'd be looking at hormones and possibly trying a marble to see if there is any difference in her behaviour.

Good luck, and I hope you can get to the bottom of her issues soon.
 
Your thread title along with your first post implies your horse has kicked a field mate and it was only a matter of time before it happened :confused: how did you think people would respond to that ?
You cant be surprised at the first responses, its not until further into the thread that they find out a third horse was in the field and the person whose horse was injured so severely it needed pts seems to have made an informed choice to put it there.
It sounds like an horrific accident, i feel for the poor horse thats been pts no matter how it happened.:(
 
As sad as it is, what's done is done. Nothing will change that. But OP, even if it could have been the other horse, you need to keep yours separate. She has enough issues going on so it would seem.

Horses are very unpredictable creatures. It can happen. But for the moment I think your mare needs to be separate. Thing is groups are hard to manage. Well they are if you give a crap. Especially at liviries where things probably change frequently. I couldn't imagine letting someone else dictate where mine need to go. I have a well established girl field ranging from 2-13 years of age. The little one can be a pain. She gets the odd reminder kick. A gentle tap. Never ever any lambasting. I will never ever have geldings with my mares. Never never.

I lost a 3 week old filly to a kick. Broke her leg in half. Another mare, not her mom, savaged her in the blink of an eye. Nothing I could do. I never felt so sick and at the same time in so much rage. Honestly I can't deal with that crap. I want to enjoy my horses. I spend enough money and time and want enjoyment. I of course will do all I can for horses, but there has to be some give. Agressive in the field, horrible under saddle, not very good on the ground is not something I'm going to deal with if I've investigated things. Inconclusive isn't good enough. Obviously this is the way I feel. We get a lot of bad mannered horses here. All but one have come right. And in her defense someone had tried to break her before and had given her a horrific fright. She let us ride her and made great progress, but I could not stand over her. But on the flip side, she is a great babysitter for youngsters and easy to deal with in other ways. She's happy.

For now OP, really you can't control what horses do but you can minimise risks to others. Tell your YO you want her on her own. Be proactive. If it was the other horse that will show itself. But this way you won't feel gutted and you've made things right if it was your mare.

Disclaimer on my incident. Owned mare from a weanling. Raised in a group. Raced, was turned out in company while racing. Never a day's bother with her. Never tried to kick humans, was good under saddle and on the ground. What she did just defied logic. She had her own baby and was a great mother. Had I had a gun that day, I would have shot her myself. Harsh, maybe, but if you were a witness maybe not. Either way, I don't care.

Terri
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
As sad as it is, what's done is done. Nothing will change that. But OP, even if it could have been the other horse, you need to keep yours separate. She has enough issues going on so it would seem.

Horses are very unpredictable creatures. It can happen. But for the moment I think your mare needs to be separate. Thing is groups are hard to manage. Well they are if you give a crap. Especially at liviries where things probably change frequently. I couldn't imagine letting someone else dictate where mine need to go. I have a well established girl field ranging from 2-13 years of age. The little one can be a pain. She gets the odd reminder kick. A gentle tap. Never ever any lambasting. I will never ever have geldings with my mares. Never never.

I lost a 3 week old filly to a kick. Broke her leg in half. Another mare, not her mom, savaged her in the blink of an eye. Nothing I could do. I never felt so sick and at the same time in so much rage. Honestly I can't deal with that crap. I want to enjoy my horses. I spend enough money and time and want enjoyment. I of course will do all I can for horses, but there has to be some give. Agressive in the field, horrible under saddle, not very good on the ground is not something I'm going to deal with if I've investigated things. Inconclusive isn't good enough. Obviously this is the way I feel. We get a lot of bad mannered horses here. All but one have come right. And in her defense someone had tried to break her before and had given her a horrific fright. She let us ride her and made great progress, but I could not stand over her. But on the flip side, she is a great babysitter for youngsters and easy to deal with in other ways. She's happy.

For now OP, really you can't control what horses do but you can minimise risks to others. Tell your YO you want her on her own. Be proactive. If it was the other horse that will show itself. But this way you won't feel gutted and you've made things right if it was your mare.

Disclaimer on my incident. Owned mare from a weanling. Raised in a group. Raced, was turned out in company while racing. Never a day's bother with her. Never tried to kick humans, was good under saddle and on the ground. What she did just defied logic. She had her own baby and was a great mother. Had I had a gun that day, I would have shot her myself. Harsh, maybe, but if you were a witness maybe not. Either way, I don't care.

Terri
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blimey what an awful thing to see, and that poor little mite. I imagine you don't get over that easily...

In my very limited experience mares do seem worse.
 
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OP I would take this thread down before the other owner gets wind of it, you don't want it to be used against you or your YO in an insurance claim.

Why this^^^?
 
Don't know how to quote earlier threads properly, but is this the same horse Jess, from your post a while ago 'Being honest at new yard'? quote
"I have been asked to leave my yard on good terms as my mare keeps jumping out of her field because she doesn't like been on her own, which is causing trouble

So when ringing other yards i have been honest, as in she has a nasty kick in her towards other horses mainly but is has been known that she kicks people!"

If so, I think you have been a bit irresponsible and need to be a lot more mindful in future. Sorry but I would be livid under these circumstances.
 
Im not sure if i ever posted a response to that..

When i found a new yard and announced i was moving i was told 'Ginger didn't actually manage to kick anyone or any horses we were just worried she might'

We did still move as i really couldnt be bothered with trouble causer's but everyones always been warned 'just in case' at every yard we viewed
 
I Dnt know gingers back ground but accidents do happen Just this morning a completely well behaved mare Came out if her stable gave the boy across from her a huge kiss. Turned to get rug changed. This lovely boy leans n kissed her bum for 3 mins n nothing...... Then out of no wear one back leg kicked through the reinforced stable with one kick.

Had that been just him n no door. I dread to think.

There animals at the end of the day. X
 
Having watched two horses gallop headlong into each other leaving the 8 yr old with a broken shoulder and the 16yr old without a mark on her I will never say you can predict what horses will or will not do.

I think the problem on yards is that there are often changes in herd groups, so the hierarchy is forever shifting making them feel unsafe as to who is looking after them to preserve their safety etc.
 
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