JFTDWS
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So it's OK for you to assume the comments were directed at you, but not for BB to assume your comments were directed at her? Can you see the inconsistency here?
It's all my fault for keeping my dog on a lead, is it?
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Rowreach
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I only went out for pizza 
I have noticed that when the Irish Wolfhound puppy is being walked (at about 9am every day), there are very few other dog walkers about now.
She belongs to an elderly couple who previously had an older (totally out of control IW). When the old one had to be pts I'm afraid we were rather relieved, as she caused so much trouble knocking people flying and scaring the bejesus out of people. And then they got a puppy
I have noticed that when the Irish Wolfhound puppy is being walked (at about 9am every day), there are very few other dog walkers about now.
She belongs to an elderly couple who previously had an older (totally out of control IW). When the old one had to be pts I'm afraid we were rather relieved, as she caused so much trouble knocking people flying and scaring the bejesus out of people. And then they got a puppy
bonny
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No, this is really pointless but I asked B.B. to show me where I mentioned her or her dog, I didn’t mention anyone, I merely talked about my experiences of walking dogs, if everyone is just supposed to agree with everyone else on here then what is the point of having a forum ?
JFTDWS
Well-Known Member
Perhaps you could show me where I mentioned you in my post? You just presumed, because I quoted you... I know this may be a revolutionary concept to you, but this really is how quoting works, and BB was not at fault for presuming you understood this
bonny
Well-Known Member
It’s hardly the first time, if you want to follow me round accusing me of being a troll then so be it. I fail to see what you get out of it but if it pleases you then good for you. I don’t see the point but I guess it makes you feel clever so I’ll leave you to your bowing !Perhaps you could show me where I mentioned you in my post? You just presumed, because I quoted you... I know this may be a revolutionary concept to you, but this really is how quoting works, and BB was not at fault for presuming you understood this
JFTDWS
Well-Known Member
Um, you're the one who keeps quoting me, dear. I'm not following you around at all!
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Pot, kettle, black
bonny
Well-Known Member
I have never accused anyone of being a trollPot, kettle, black
JFTDWS
Well-Known Member
Rightly so - because I'm not a troll. I'm an annoying smart arse sometimes, but I'm very definitely a real person who is fairly consistent in real life and online - and there are plenty of folk on here who are aware of that.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
No, but you have accused them of f ollowing you around, while following them
bonny
Well-Known Member
I think you’ll find I’m a real person too
JFTDWS
Well-Known Member
Funny, I presumed you were a dog.
AmyMay
Situation normal
I 'walk' dogs daily, and thankfully have rarely had a problem with other dogs. We had did have a problem on the beach last summer when a Dalmation attacked one of ours - totally unprovoked. I'm afraid my partner was straight in with his size 10's.
And a few weeks ago a chap was most put out when I dragged his rude dog back to him after it mercilessly chased Daisy. Apparently if I didn't want my dog to play with others, it shouldn't have been on the beach. I told him that if he couldn't control his - it shouldn't be on the beach...
I love a happy group of dogs mixing it up together. But I'm very vigilant about body language and type of dog. The dogs I walk have excellent recall. Rightly (or wrongly) a greyhound has me gathering them up and heading in the opposite direction (all my 'walkers' bar one are small furries).
And a few weeks ago a chap was most put out when I dragged his rude dog back to him after it mercilessly chased Daisy. Apparently if I didn't want my dog to play with others, it shouldn't have been on the beach. I told him that if he couldn't control his - it shouldn't be on the beach...
I love a happy group of dogs mixing it up together. But I'm very vigilant about body language and type of dog. The dogs I walk have excellent recall. Rightly (or wrongly) a greyhound has me gathering them up and heading in the opposite direction (all my 'walkers' bar one are small furries).
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
people who have never had a dog attacked are very lucky. there is a lady who walks a min jack russel in the park that i use. it has 3 legs, she walks in our park because her husband was walking the little dog on the lead in their local park and a staffie attacked and tore its leg so badly it was beyond repair....luckily my park has mostly good natured dogs and we all know the couple of not so nice dogs and avoid them...
GreyMane
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"How to Safely Break Up a Dog Fight"
http://www.saferpets.co.uk/safely-break-dog-fight.html
http://www.saferpets.co.uk/safely-break-dog-fight.html
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
gm that is talking about a dog fight, what we have been discussing is an aggressive dog attacking a passive dog, not the same thing....agree a proper dog fight is very difficult to break up if you are alone...dont think this applies, if you wait for someone else your own dog is likely to be killed...
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I absolutely see where you're coming from BUT Zak used to be walked in a muzzle but still attacked a dog I didn't see coming. He couldn't do damage but boy, he was trying! He went missing wearing his muzzle one night, found him eventually-sans muzzle. He lives to retrieve, so muzzles are not conducive to keeping the swine occupied. No incidents for some years because we're paranoid and the OH can run fast.
Annette4
Well-Known Member
Mine are the same in terms being ball/frisbee obsessed so it would be a shame and I’m fully aware it’s not practical or enforceable but it is just a thought I’ve had over recent years. Fizz wears a muzzle when she’s off the lead but we’re not playing fetch and Dobby is likely to end up the same if he ever gets a strong enough recall that I can let him off his long line, just to stop them eating wildlife (she won’t go if I spot it first and call them back but a couple of times shes spotted a bunny before me).
SadKen
Well-Known Member
The problem with muzzles for all is that the people with nice dogs will accept the law and apply a muzzle. The type of people who have the types of dogs mentioned in this thread will not muzzle.
Now you have aggressive dogs who can attack others with impunity.
My old GSD didn't like other dogs up in his face, he would vocalise and make a show of nipping (never with any intent) if they got close. I always had him on a lead, and never allowed him to interact with other dogs unless I could control both elements (e.g. friends' dogs - all entirely successful). I considered muzzling him but as other off lead dogs had attempted to bite him on lead on several occasions I decided it would be incredibly unfair to deprive him of his only defence. I would always avoid other dogs when walking, but if other people allow their dog to race up to mine after a shouted request to desist and clear body language from my dog, that's their fault. It's a no to muzzles for all from me.
Now you have aggressive dogs who can attack others with impunity.
My old GSD didn't like other dogs up in his face, he would vocalise and make a show of nipping (never with any intent) if they got close. I always had him on a lead, and never allowed him to interact with other dogs unless I could control both elements (e.g. friends' dogs - all entirely successful). I considered muzzling him but as other off lead dogs had attempted to bite him on lead on several occasions I decided it would be incredibly unfair to deprive him of his only defence. I would always avoid other dogs when walking, but if other people allow their dog to race up to mine after a shouted request to desist and clear body language from my dog, that's their fault. It's a no to muzzles for all from me.
leflynn
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I am sick of off lead dogs not being under control, I've been threatened after asking owners to put them on leads after me and my greyhound were cornered by two aggressive newfoundlands. I've had the same from a GSD owner with a younger dog and a pup trying to train them recall on a public path next to a very busy A road, I was shouted and sworn at and told it was me who needed to train my dog that thankfully stood and did nothing while the puppy snapped about his legs (he was having chemo at the time so didn't want any blood spilt) - both told me it was my fault as he was on a lead and not under control (WTF?)
My poor boy has been attacked twice now by small terriers that think its fun to hang off his leg and resulted in puncture wounds, he is now blind in one eye and doesn't like small jumpy things jumping at his blind side (I warn people with off lead jumpy dogs as a precaution not that he does anything). He doesn't wear a muzzle anymore and has never attacked anything even when I first got him and he thought all small fluffy things were fair game and he is always on a lead as his recall is sketchy.
My poor boy has been attacked twice now by small terriers that think its fun to hang off his leg and resulted in puncture wounds, he is now blind in one eye and doesn't like small jumpy things jumping at his blind side (I warn people with off lead jumpy dogs as a precaution not that he does anything). He doesn't wear a muzzle anymore and has never attacked anything even when I first got him and he thought all small fluffy things were fair game and he is always on a lead as his recall is sketchy.
sbloom
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I totally agree with this. We have a soppy, entire male Great Dane. Well, he was soppy until he was attacked twice between one and two years, a Border bit his cheek when being held in his owner's arms and she bent down to say hello. Then by a poodle, and he was just minding his own business, he likes meeting other dogs but isn't especially playful.
SO he went from absolutely 100% dappy, now not so much. If a dog gets mildly aggressive then he will react, and in our experience they're 90% on lead, and partly fired by the anxiety of their owners. So he is much more likely to have a minor fracas (usually just hackles and grumbles) with a dog on lead. And yes, if you possibly can avoid it, picking up a small dog may lead to a Dane's head still being able to reach it even without leaving the ground. Luckily ours is 100% that he does not go up on his back legs.
What you can't do with a Dane, or most scent hounds, is have 100% recall. So we walk in very rural, usually quiet, places where 90% of dogs are off lead, and we read the dog's and owner's body language before deciding whether to call him back and put him on the lead. Sometimes he will not come back, but he has literally NEVER started anything. We won't choose to walk him on the lead, Dane's need to run and he'd be damned miserable.
She belongs to an elderly couple who previously had an older (totally out of control IW). When the old one had to be pts I'm afraid we were rather relieved, as she caused so much trouble knocking people flying and scaring the bejesus out of people. And then they got a puppy
Older people should never have large puppies, or keep large dogs later in life. I am 11 stone and fit, in my forties, and ours pulled me clean off my feet when a spaniel was aggressive, on lead. I put my hand through his collar and sadly he took that as needing to protect me. I kept hold of the bugger but the spaniel owner will now think he's aggressive. I am as sure as I can be that if he left the spaniel off lead they'd have met and been fine, ours gets himself out of the way if anything has a pop off lead, not interested. We see it all the time, and OH will often try and persuade people to stop, chat, let the dogs see each other and hackles go down and everything calms down. Next time they meet they stay off lead with no problem. This has worked even with a persistently aggressive pointer that OH meets at the woods.
I freeze when things go wrong so I try and avoid trouble, OH is always the one wading in if there's ever any bother, amazing instincts.
So it depends on the breed, it depends where you walk, it depends how you are with your dog. To say no dog should be off the lead if it doesn't have 100% recall might apply to your busy local park, but would be totally ridiculous for some breeds and many very rural locations. We have discussions with several people where the deliberately drive to these places because most dogs are off lead and owners are understanding.
I am not directly questioning the OP but I do wonder how many people misinterpret "evident ill intent ", get tense and make the situation worse. I probably would which is why I hardly ever walk him on my own, especially since he pulled me off my feet.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
We walk our Rotters on their leads and get thoroughly hacked off if people let their dogs come to "talk", either on or off lead. The girls are not aggressive and are very well socialised, but having had a numpty allow their Rotty to snap at ours at Bramham and another allowing her GSD to jump on one of the girls in the car park at a Dogs Trust event, we tend to avoid people with dogs, if at all possible. They play well with others at home and their two best friends are a dalmaition and a very small Staffie.
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Roasted Chestnuts
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No wonder as regardless of the type of dog that was being horrid to your dogs it would be yours seen as the aggressors due to that horrid stereotyping!
I’m glad I don’t have a dog anymore as some of the people who have them have no idea and just let them do what they want.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Arghh, another 'normal rules don't apply to me' post.
sbloom, I thought better of you. If you can't handle a Great Dane, don't have one.
Many dogs, like mine, are on a lead purely of poor recall. He is very prey driven, after bunnies mostly, and goes deaf lugs when on a scent. I am not nervous or hysterical when meeting other folk and their dogs, just business like and purposeful.
sbloom, I thought better of you. If you can't handle a Great Dane, don't have one.
Many dogs, like mine, are on a lead purely of poor recall. He is very prey driven, after bunnies mostly, and goes deaf lugs when on a scent. I am not nervous or hysterical when meeting other folk and their dogs, just business like and purposeful.
milliepops
Wears headscarf aggressively
been reading this thread with interest.
I totally understand all the expert dog handlers and keepers saying how you should behave when a loose dog approaches.
What if the loose dog approaches a non-dog owner just minding their own business? My dad is afraid of dogs, he's fit but fairly elderly and likes to go for walks in the countryside, woodland etc. i know he finds it incredibly intimidating when someone's big dog romps up off lead, and may not react in the way that would be optimum for the dog to ignore him. God forbid he should take the neighbour's dog out for company on a lead... cos he almost certainly would do the "wrong thing" then. One shouldn't expect joe public to be able to cope in these sorts of situations, they should never be put in that position at all.
I totally understand all the expert dog handlers and keepers saying how you should behave when a loose dog approaches.
What if the loose dog approaches a non-dog owner just minding their own business? My dad is afraid of dogs, he's fit but fairly elderly and likes to go for walks in the countryside, woodland etc. i know he finds it incredibly intimidating when someone's big dog romps up off lead, and may not react in the way that would be optimum for the dog to ignore him. God forbid he should take the neighbour's dog out for company on a lead... cos he almost certainly would do the "wrong thing" then. One shouldn't expect joe public to be able to cope in these sorts of situations, they should never be put in that position at all.
bonny
Well-Known Member
I would hope/expect any dog to just ignore your dad, they might be interested in another dog but shouldn’t be with a person unless they have led a very sheltered life. In a similar vein, there is an Indian family who live near me who are scared of dogs and the woman of the family literally stands and screams. I can’t help but think we live on a small, overcrowded island and she should be able to walk past without becoming hysterical, must be difficult living in a country full of dogs with such a phobia.
MotherOfChickens
MotherDucker
lots of people don't like dogs, lots of people don't know dogs-dog owners do not have the right to let their dogs bounce around other people, other dogs or horses. my step kids are autistic and very nervous of strange dogs after being bowled over by a boxer in the park when they were wee. they are fine with my dogs having been brought up with them but strange dogs off lead/near them scare them and no amount of 'don't worry, they're friendly' is going to help. do they not have the right to walk outside because some numpty can't keep their dogs under close control?
My old PhD supervisor is a big bloke, a keen walker and nervous of dogs and he's so fed up with strange dogs jumping all over him he now carries an air spray as it happens nearly every time he goes walking. I don't particularly care for dogs jumping up at me either, having been on the receiving end of an EBT going for me in Leith-I still bear the scar on my hand from that one. and tbh, I don't much care for muddy paws on me-I don't allow it from my dogs let alone like it from other people's dogs.
bonny
Well-Known Member
All dogs should learn as puppies to ignore other people
MotherOfChickens
MotherDucker
of course, but people aren't teaching them that-just like they aren't socialising them well with other dogs, not teaching them to not chase stock or wildlife etc etc etc
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
I think you raise a very good point.
I think it is unacceptable to allow a dog to approach another person (whether they have a dog with them or not).
My dog does not appreciate the attention of strangers and would never solicit their attention (if they tried to stroke him he would bark and scare the living daylights out of them). Although he has shown no interest in cyclists, pedestrians or joggers, for his protection I always put him on his lead and keep him out of harms way until we get past. It makes the other person feel more comfortable but also because people are unpredictable - one day a jogger shoved his hand in the big lad's face as he passed - I believe it was intended as a friendly gesture by someone with little to no experience of dogs.
Edit. I totally agree with MOC. I dislike dogs jumping up my legs, muddy or not.
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