It's to ********** heavy for it to pull! You idiot!

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:mad: Not liking this one bit. It's legs are giving way. So I know why don;t we replace it with another horse and see if that one can do it. NO, because it's too heavy. :mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7GA16MTFjQ&feature=related


The wheels are actually tied on the cart, so it has no hope of pulling it!! Just to 'test' the horse. So not too heavy, just frigging impossible. Gah!!!
 
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I am disgusted, the poor things look underfed anyway. I'm sure it would do it's best to pull whatever they asked of it. WHY test it like that, it's sick.
It's legs just buckle when he starts whipping it.
These people have no compassion or empathy of any sort. :(
 
Poor things, I think all I can really do is go and cuddle our horses and thank the heavens that neither of us were born into this sort of life.

It does worry me when I read about poor folk in the world turning to horsepower again as the price of oil goes up. :(
 
Sadly it's a common practice in many parts of the world. That's why the education work that charities like the Brooke, SPANA and WHW do is so important - that and lifting these countries out of poverty so people no longer have to use horses like this.

BTW, did you know that there are more horses in the world than tractors - and the gap is growing, not closing?
 
:mad: :mad: How fecking stupid are they?? The poor horses. What gets to me, is this is just one video taken on one day showing just two horses, dread to think how often this is done :(

I've always wanted to go over to developing countries to show them proper horse care - this video has spurred me on even more!!
 
Spudlet said:
Sadly it's a common practice in many parts of the world. That's why the education work that charities like the Brooke, SPANA and WHW do is so important - that and lifting these countries out of poverty so people no longer have to use horses like this.

BTW, did you know that there are more horses in the world than tractors - and the gap is growing, not closing?
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Agree with this. In very few of such cases are people setting out to be cruel.

They NEED the horse to pull it, that's their livelihood. If it doesn't then neither the owner or the horse will eat what little food they could have had...
Does it excuse it? No. Help the people to help the horses.

Eta- Sorry, need to go back and look at the wheels of the cart!
 
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Tinkerbee said:
Agree with this. In very few of such cases are people setting out to be cruel.

They NEED the horse to pull it, that's their livelihood. If it doesn't then neither the owner or the horse will eat what little food they could have had...
Does it excuse it? No. Help the people to help the horses.
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But the horse couldn't pull it even if it wanted to. The wheels are tied. Quite what they expect it to do I don't know.

But I fully understand what you are saying. We are more civilised or evolved in the mind (if that even makes sense) They don't think anything of it, it's just work to them. It's a crying shame and god help any animal born into that :(

I also feel for the people in a way, that they don't know any better, that they don't have the luxuries we do. This world is fecked up :( Now i'm sad.
 
From our comfortable lifestyles in the UK, with our luxury horses, who don't earn us a living, it's easy to look at such things and condemn them.
But animal welfare really is a luxury of developed countries - if your childrens' food depended on how well your new horse will be able to pull a cart - then perhaps you'd be forced to be 'evil' too. :(
S :D
 
It is cruelty but probably because of pure ignorance more than anything!
Yes it is an evil thing to do, but if you were raised being taught that its okay to do that sort of thing thats all you know. Unfortunatly not all countries have the same sort of knowledge we have.

Lets hope one day this can be changed though!

And why was the person filming not saying anything?!?!


ETA: Opps pretty much said the same thing as Shilasdar :o
 
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Spudlet said:
Sadly it's a common practice in many parts of the world. That's why the education work that charities like the Brooke, SPANA and WHW do is so important - that and lifting these countries out of poverty so people no longer have to use horses like this.
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I think we should do the exact opposit... less aid = less population the same with our people why do we pay people to have babies when the world is groaning under
the weight of overpopulation ... if these "do gooder" we know what's best idiots took a step back and looked at the bigger picture we would all be better off.... Oh and yes the equine charities do great work I wish I had more money to support them....
 
Sarah sum1 said:
But the horse couldn't pull it even if it wanted to. The wheels are tied. Quite what they expect it to do I don't know.
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The horse is expected to drag the cart. Often they will pile as many people onto the cart as they can, apply the brakes and then force the horse to drag it, as this shows how strong the horse is.:(
 
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And why was the person filming not saying anything?!?!
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Probably because they are on their own in a market surrounded by people who would not appreciate it! I have known people very badly beaten up for getting into situations like that - sometimes it is better to document what is going on then try to address the underlying problem in a more constructive way that just yelling at people and having your legs broken for your trouble.
 
They do weight pulling competitions in america- surely that gets to the too heavy to pull weight before they can decide the winner? Do they actually hit the horse or just the ground near it?

Not easy watching.
 
Spudlet said:
The horse is expected to drag the cart. Often they will pile as many people onto the cart as they can, apply the brakes and then force the horse to drag it, as this shows how strong the horse is.:(
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I just keep thinkning of that horses poor front legs buckling as he whips him. I would never be able to visit a country like that. I'd be a wreck.

I fully understand that they are not meaning to be cruel. We really are worlds and minds apart. Lets hope they can be educated and helped in some way. We really are truly blessed here.
 
........................................... I take it this is the same sort of mentality of 'my dogs harder than your dog, lets fight and see which wins'?......................................
 
I disagree that animal welfare is a luxury. Working animals are a reality and there isnt anything wrong with that per se, nor is there anything wrong with them not being the pampered pets that we have, particularly when you remember that many of the people who own them live in cramped and very basic conditions themselves. But the animal has a right to be fed and watered and cared for with decent shoes/feet and tack that doesnt rub and not to be overburdened. That is basic animal welfare and it is not a luxury whatsoever.

In the long run well cared for animals last longer and ultimately benefit the families who depend on them. That is the core of the sort of work that the Brooke, spana, whw do and why we should all support those charities whose impact can be seen for example in the change in conditions for the horses at Petra which was one of the Brooke's large projects.
 
perfect11s said:
I think we should do the exact opposit... less aid = less population the same with our people why do we pay people to have babies when the world is groaning under
the weight of overpopulation ... if these "do gooder" we know what's best idiots took a step back and looked at the bigger picture we would all be better off.... Oh and yes the equine charities do great work I wish I had more money to support them....
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I think you've misunderstood me, I am not a 'do-gooder'... lifting countries out of poverty doesn't just mean giving them wodges of cash, in fact that can do more harm than good because people become dependent on aid. It's about giving people the skills they need and a fair chance. For example, one of the charities mentioned above trains people up and as part of this teaches them basic business skills so they can use what they learn to benefit their communities and also support their families - it makes the training sustainable even after the charity moves to the next country. This is the kind of thing that really makes a difference, and things like fair trade that make sure developing countries get a fair price for what they produce, addressing health problems like malaria and AIDS that hold development back (and which can be addressed simply and cheaply with drugs we take for granted and preventatives like mosquito nets and condoms) and help for businesses like micro-finance.
 
Yes, it looks horrible, but those men's families depend on them having a horse that can pull.

What is more evil, what he just did to his horse, or the fact that he and that horse will work all day and barely bring home enough money to feed his family.

There's a reason the people who did this to that horse are now fighting to get rid of their leader. Horse and man alike have no quality of life.

Here's hoping that whatever happens in Egypt, the horses can feel it too.
 
imr said:
I disagree that animal welfare is a luxury. Working animals are a reality and there isnt anything wrong with that per se, nor is there anything wrong with them not being the pampered pets that we have, particularly when you remember that many of the people who own them live in cramped and very basic conditions themselves. But the animal has a right to be fed and watered and cared for with decent shoes/feet and tack that doesnt rub and not to be overburdened. That is basic animal welfare and it is not a luxury whatsoever.

In the long run well cared for animals last longer and ultimately benefit the families who depend on them. That is the core of the sort of work that the Brooke, spana, whw do and why we should all support those charities whose impact can be seen for example in the change in conditions for the horses at Petra which was one of the Brooke's large projects.
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I agree, often people just don't know better, they can't access resources to teach themselves so they just do what people have always done. If every horse around you is a wreck, you just assume that's how horses look. Education, and making people see that it is worth them looking after their animals for the very reason you say, is the key!
 
perfect11s said:
I think we should do the exact opposit... less aid = less population the same with our people why do we pay people to have babies when the world is groaning under
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Except that a lot of aid goes to contraceptive programmes, and to the education of women. Essentially, when you educate women, they stop having so many babies. Not so simple.
 
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