soph21
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Why?
Ive been reading replies on another post.........
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jaypeebee
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
janet68
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Just noticed and thought they was all sticklers on here for hats while riding,I do it myself was just an observation
soph21
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Yeah HHO are sticklers for everything
I dont usually ride without a hat, but that day I loaded the car up with 4 sets of tack and 2 kids
So forgot hat
I dont usually ride without a hat, but that day I loaded the car up with 4 sets of tack and 2 kids
hadfos
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However i feel for richie,a horse with aggressive tendancies can be a nightmare,we had one that we turned out 24/7 through the summer and it turned him around a little,didnt cure him,but clearly not for richies neddy
jaypeebee
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and to add to that horses are naturally flight NOT fight animals, so who teaches them to fight and not flight.....the faires or those caring for them? as a breeder you are obviously well experienced on handling youngsters and as you said have always had well rounded offspring this happened because they were handled with said experience and not just slapped and punched because they are not showing you the utmost respect or being impeccably mannered!!
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I agree on why I think my youngsters have all turned out to be nice horses. I do spend a huge amount of time with them and no I dont go around beating them up but I do also ensure that they do not get away with blue murder either. A happy medium is what is needed and clear boundaries.
and to add to that horses are naturally flight NOT fight animals, so who teaches them to fight and not flight.....the faires or those caring for them? as a breeder you are obviously well experienced on handling youngsters and as you said have always had well rounded offspring this happened because they were handled with said experience and not just slapped and punched because they are not showing you the utmost respect or being impeccably mannered!!
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I agree on why I think my youngsters have all turned out to be nice horses. I do spend a huge amount of time with them and no I dont go around beating them up but I do also ensure that they do not get away with blue murder either. A happy medium is what is needed and clear boundaries.
soph21
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I have not said I slap or punch mine lol!
But I make sure they have a stern telling off if they mis behave. I usually just have to wave my hands about as they are quite irritating wanting attention all the time
But I make sure they have a stern telling off if they mis behave. I usually just have to wave my hands about as they are quite irritating wanting attention all the time
hadfos
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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Can very much depend on parentage...if that is the case you have to deal the best you can with what you have,in the breeding and nothing you can do about it,however the human upbringing wont help!
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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Can very much depend on parentage...if that is the case you have to deal the best you can with what you have,in the breeding and nothing you can do about it,however the human upbringing wont help!
jaypeebee
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Oh gosh I must go to bed but Hadfos, I really dont think you can call the farmer that and I think you are being unfair on him. He is not at fault, he just doesnt want his concrete to crack up and be ruined. The horse clearly does not adapt to being locked in a stable 24/7 but from what Richie has said the horse has always been a lunatic so this is just one other problem she has with him.
soph21
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Right Night All, Im knackered
cbeebies
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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I was actually supporting the op by saying that i agreed that beating a horse is not the way to get manners or repect, maybe i didnt explain my self completely but then hey who does so i shall do so now so that i may not be accused of anything.............i do not agree with beating horses to gain respect and manners i do not think that op made her horse how he is now............and I PERSONALLY FEEL that NO animal is born nasty/evil and that SOME humans cause these animals issues due to ignorance inexperience bad surroundings and in some cases being heavy handed!!!
So if i had agreed with others saying yeh beat him bad mannered git would that have been a responce acceptable enough to not be grilled??
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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I was actually supporting the op by saying that i agreed that beating a horse is not the way to get manners or repect, maybe i didnt explain my self completely but then hey who does so i shall do so now so that i may not be accused of anything.............i do not agree with beating horses to gain respect and manners i do not think that op made her horse how he is now............and I PERSONALLY FEEL that NO animal is born nasty/evil and that SOME humans cause these animals issues due to ignorance inexperience bad surroundings and in some cases being heavy handed!!!
So if i had agreed with others saying yeh beat him bad mannered git would that have been a responce acceptable enough to not be grilled??
janet68
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Oh gosh I must go to bed but Hadfos, I really dont think you can call the farmer that and I think you are being unfair on him. He is not at fault, he just doesnt want his concrete to crack up and be ruined. The horse clearly does not adapt to being locked in a stable 24/7 but from what Richie has said the horse has always been a lunatic so this is just one other problem she has with him.
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As i posted earlier he much prefers to be in than out as long as he is alone its when other horses or people are added that the problems start
Oh gosh I must go to bed but Hadfos, I really dont think you can call the farmer that and I think you are being unfair on him. He is not at fault, he just doesnt want his concrete to crack up and be ruined. The horse clearly does not adapt to being locked in a stable 24/7 but from what Richie has said the horse has always been a lunatic so this is just one other problem she has with him.
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As i posted earlier he much prefers to be in than out as long as he is alone its when other horses or people are added that the problems start
janet68
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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I was actually supporting the op by saying that i agreed that beating a horse is not the way to get manners or repect, maybe i didnt explain my self completely but then hey who does so i shall do so now so that i may not be accused of anything.............i do not agree with beating horses to gain respect and manners i do not think that op made her horse how he is now............and I PERSONALLY FEEL that NO animal is born nasty/evil and that SOME humans cause these animals issues due to ignorance inexperience bad surroundings and in some cases being heavy handed!!!
So if i had agreed with others saying yeh beat him bad mannered git would that have been a responce acceptable enough to not be grilled??
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I get what you are saying. I have never beaten him and if i even raise my voice it seems to trigger something in his head that sends him loopy so i tend to talk to him quietly till he oversteps the mark then a mixture of frustration and anger makes me shout and off we go again
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No i am not making judgement on someone that I dont know, but i stand by what i said animals are not born nasty/evil maybe he was not handled with experience when young i dont know because i dont know either the owner or the said horse, i am just giving MY opinion on what i believe!!!!
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Well sorry for being pedantic but you do actually appear to be making a judgement on the Richie poster. You are saying that "animals are not born nasty/evil and that maybe he was not handled with experience when young". The Richie poster has said she has owned him since he was only 5 months old therefore you are making your "opinion on what you believe" known about her handling of him. Just saying.
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I was actually supporting the op by saying that i agreed that beating a horse is not the way to get manners or repect, maybe i didnt explain my self completely but then hey who does so i shall do so now so that i may not be accused of anything.............i do not agree with beating horses to gain respect and manners i do not think that op made her horse how he is now............and I PERSONALLY FEEL that NO animal is born nasty/evil and that SOME humans cause these animals issues due to ignorance inexperience bad surroundings and in some cases being heavy handed!!!
So if i had agreed with others saying yeh beat him bad mannered git would that have been a responce acceptable enough to not be grilled??
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I get what you are saying. I have never beaten him and if i even raise my voice it seems to trigger something in his head that sends him loopy so i tend to talk to him quietly till he oversteps the mark then a mixture of frustration and anger makes me shout and off we go again
cbeebies
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Just wanted to make it clear that i wasnt accusing you of making your boy how he is now, i was agreeing that slapping them about is not the answer, someone seems to think i was blaming you, i dont feel i even suggested that at any point but just thought i would make it crystal clear to you as the owner of said horse that i do not blame you for any issues that your boy has, i wish you luck with him and hope that whatever issues he is having right now are eased for both your sakes
hadfos
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Oh gosh I must go to bed but Hadfos, I really dont think you can call the farmer that and I think you are being unfair on him. He is not at fault, he just doesnt want his concrete to crack up and be ruined. The horse clearly does not adapt to being locked in a stable 24/7 but from what Richie has said the horse has always been a lunatic so this is just one other problem she has with him.
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Sorry??What exactly did i call the farmer??Dont remember actually calling him anything
Like hell i am being unfair,he chose to livery horses with turnout,it is his responsibility especially if it stated in contracts horses have all yr turnout that those horses have all yr turnout,it may not be down to him to grit yard but he cannot stop horse owners gritting for their horses safety so they can turnout as contract states,anyway if it that damn icy,what will he do when a paying client slips and breaks a leg???
Oh gosh I must go to bed but Hadfos, I really dont think you can call the farmer that and I think you are being unfair on him. He is not at fault, he just doesnt want his concrete to crack up and be ruined. The horse clearly does not adapt to being locked in a stable 24/7 but from what Richie has said the horse has always been a lunatic so this is just one other problem she has with him.
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Sorry??What exactly did i call the farmer??Dont remember actually calling him anything
Like hell i am being unfair,he chose to livery horses with turnout,it is his responsibility especially if it stated in contracts horses have all yr turnout that those horses have all yr turnout,it may not be down to him to grit yard but he cannot stop horse owners gritting for their horses safety so they can turnout as contract states,anyway if it that damn icy,what will he do when a paying client slips and breaks a leg???
saddlesore
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I agree with others, no matter how you try to dress it up with '
etc' this post is bullying. I felt very sorry for the OP when she was 'attacked' a few months ago for having overweight ponies. I would have thought an experience like that would have highlighted the need to be considerate of others feelings
hadfos
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Ooopsie,i did call him a dick
Sorry but i am not taking that back!
Sorry but i am not taking that back!
janet68
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I agree with you on the farmer front he did plough the yard today but NO grit so it just turned it into icerink again..They are effing numb
jaypeebee
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A dick. I believe he asked people not to put down salt. The poster can easily acquire an alternative to ensure her horse gets his turnout and which will not ruin the farmers concrete.
Richie I do understand. I had a horse many years ago who did not care for others. This horse was also hand reared, but unfortunately not by me and I did not get the horse until maturity, so I do understand where you are coming from. There is something odd about hand reared horses when they have been hand reared by people with not much clue.
Richie I do understand. I had a horse many years ago who did not care for others. This horse was also hand reared, but unfortunately not by me and I did not get the horse until maturity, so I do understand where you are coming from. There is something odd about hand reared horses when they have been hand reared by people with not much clue.
hadfos
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I agree with others, no matter how you try to dress it up with '
etc' this post is bullying. I felt very sorry for the OP when she was 'attacked' a few months ago for having overweight ponies. I would have thought an experience like that would have highlighted the need to be considerate of others feelings
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I am not aware of previous post regarding ponies,and i am hoping to god OP sorts things out on yard for the safety of herself and sanity of her horse!But dosnt seem to be getting alot of help from farmer owner,which bloody well stinks!He probably sees others turning out and thinks she does the same
I agree with others, no matter how you try to dress it up with '
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I am not aware of previous post regarding ponies,and i am hoping to god OP sorts things out on yard for the safety of herself and sanity of her horse!But dosnt seem to be getting alot of help from farmer owner,which bloody well stinks!He probably sees others turning out and thinks she does the same
janet68
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Believe me i would never ever get another hand reared as they are just a worry from day 1
janet68
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The thing people dont understand (me included)is i have just sold the most beautiful,gentle,kind and trusting horse in favour of keeping this loony as i love him that much
cbeebies
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[when they have been hand reared by people with not much clue.
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This is exactly what i have been saying which you decided to pick apart ok maybe i said it differently than you did, but same point at the end of the day human handling may have affected this horse!!!! problem is on this forum and many others it is sometimes hard to say what you mean without others judging your comments!
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This is exactly what i have been saying which you decided to pick apart ok maybe i said it differently than you did, but same point at the end of the day human handling may have affected this horse!!!! problem is on this forum and many others it is sometimes hard to say what you mean without others judging your comments!
jaypeebee
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You did that because you are a responsible owner and know that his fate would likely not good if he were elsewhere. Bravo.
Ask your farmer if you can put down cat litter. That gives a lot of grip but will not ruin his concrete and will wash cleanly away the minute the snow and ice melts. Right I really am off to bed now.
Ask your farmer if you can put down cat litter. That gives a lot of grip but will not ruin his concrete and will wash cleanly away the minute the snow and ice melts. Right I really am off to bed now.
janet68
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any constructive comments are welcomed by me. I got a little angry earlier as i felt a few people where having a dig when they dont know me or my big man or what we have been through to get this far. I love my man and wont give up on him.
saddlesore
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Sorry meant OP as in Soph21.
However, my point is not so much that sophie was attacked for whatever reason previously, but rather I would have thought that an unpleasant experience like that would perhaps make one more mindful of the fact that we are 'talking' to human beings here!
I'm sure richie's owner is trying her best
However, my point is not so much that sophie was attacked for whatever reason previously, but rather I would have thought that an unpleasant experience like that would perhaps make one more mindful of the fact that we are 'talking' to human beings here!
I'm sure richie's owner is trying her best
janet68
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Cheers saddlesore i am doing my best whether that is good enough or not
cbeebies
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and i dont blame you for gettting angry!! i also stated that I have a difficult horse with a delicate temprament, i dont use violence to deal with him and will never give up on him either but give him the space that he requires! no-one should judge anyone and i wasnt you, but as someone had commented that they felt i was (personally i couldnt see where that was taken from) but as you were the person in question i wanted you to know first hand i was not jugding or blaming you but that i agreed that being heavy handed is not the way forward, if i were to be heavy with my boy i dont think i would survive the experience
yes i can be firm but without whipping him, so good on you and carry on doing what you feel is best for your boy as you know him and his requirements better than anyone x
janet68
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Just realised he looks just like your samson(but yours got ears forward)
cbeebies
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Just realised he looks just like your samson(but yours got ears forward)
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Lmao yeh Sam is a good boy wont do anything he doesnt want to do or for people he doesnt like, but very honest kind boy, as with them all i love him to bits
Just realised he looks just like your samson(but yours got ears forward)
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Lmao yeh Sam is a good boy wont do anything he doesnt want to do or for people he doesnt like, but very honest kind boy, as with them all i love him to bits