noblesteed
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Teeee heee what fun. I'm off to watch the One Show to see if anyone else says something mildly offensive!!!
Jeremy Clarkson
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DragonSlayer
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What's with all the teacher-bashing all the time?
I'm a teacher.
NOT in a union.
DID NOT strike but could not physically get IN the buiding as it was locked. Had it been open, I would have attended work and got lots of paperwork done, reports are due, and they take time, I can tell you...
I do NOT contribute to the pension.
Through working all the hours god sends and NOT taking time off, I once developed pnemonia which buggered up my lungs for a couple of years after....
I don't take time off willy-nilly....
....and I really think some people should do my job for a month. Long holidays?? Hahahaha! I'm planning work most of it! This xmas holiday will see me creating new schemes of work, they don't whistle themselves out the sky...
I'm a teacher.
NOT in a union.
DID NOT strike but could not physically get IN the buiding as it was locked. Had it been open, I would have attended work and got lots of paperwork done, reports are due, and they take time, I can tell you...
I do NOT contribute to the pension.
Through working all the hours god sends and NOT taking time off, I once developed pnemonia which buggered up my lungs for a couple of years after....
I don't take time off willy-nilly....
....and I really think some people should do my job for a month. Long holidays?? Hahahaha! I'm planning work most of it! This xmas holiday will see me creating new schemes of work, they don't whistle themselves out the sky...
Equibrit
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Horses seem to like Clarkson; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KG7VX4wr5s
BeesKnees
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Like you just did about private sector workers?
I'm sure the people working in factories or private care work etc etc wouldn't care for your summation either!And I think you are misusing the term 'gilded cage' which refers to a place that is a trap - difficult to leave because it comes with such golden benefits. I don't see how that refers to people 'pen pushing' in offices especially when admin work is paid around 12k! It does however relate to the public sector where the work can be demanding and the environment stressful, but people don't leave because of the pay and benefits they get ( I know I worked in it for a while).
Holly Hocks
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I am a Local Government Officer working in Benefit Fraud. For all those who are whingeing about the public paying the wages of the public sector, I can turn this around for you.
I save my Council hundreds of thousands of pounds per year in benefit fraud - that is no exaggeration. It is way way way more than my measly salary. So I'm actually saving YOU money as it's yours (and my) taxes that pay welfare benefits.
Anyway, I am a member of Unison but I did NOT strike yesterday. Why? Because I couldn't afford to lose a day's pay and to be honest I didn't see what a strike was going to achieve - one day of people's bins not being collected isn't going to bother them much, is it? All it does it lose people's understanding and sympathy.
I really lost interest in Unison when they complained about Jeremy Clarkson's comments. It is called having a sense of humour and Unison seemed to have lost theirs totally yesterday. As a result I will be leaving the Union as I don't agree with the way they are trying to achieve a result.
If you don't like watching JC - turn the TV over so you don't have to listen to him - there is always a good chance he is going to say something controversial.
On another note, a part of the office I work in offers overtime at weekends - there are always the same money grabbers wanting to do it because they "need the money". Strange how they could afford to lose a days pay for the strike yesterday though! If I were the employer I would ban this lot from doing any more overtime!
I save my Council hundreds of thousands of pounds per year in benefit fraud - that is no exaggeration. It is way way way more than my measly salary. So I'm actually saving YOU money as it's yours (and my) taxes that pay welfare benefits.
Anyway, I am a member of Unison but I did NOT strike yesterday. Why? Because I couldn't afford to lose a day's pay and to be honest I didn't see what a strike was going to achieve - one day of people's bins not being collected isn't going to bother them much, is it? All it does it lose people's understanding and sympathy.
I really lost interest in Unison when they complained about Jeremy Clarkson's comments. It is called having a sense of humour and Unison seemed to have lost theirs totally yesterday. As a result I will be leaving the Union as I don't agree with the way they are trying to achieve a result.
If you don't like watching JC - turn the TV over so you don't have to listen to him - there is always a good chance he is going to say something controversial.
On another note, a part of the office I work in offers overtime at weekends - there are always the same money grabbers wanting to do it because they "need the money". Strange how they could afford to lose a days pay for the strike yesterday though! If I were the employer I would ban this lot from doing any more overtime!
perfect11s
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I dont mean downs syndrome and I would never mock or bully anyone with a genuine disabillty or mental illness, Mong's as in practicing being stupid!!! a sociailst, or someone without a sense of humor like a hand wringing pc lefty , all fair game for a bit of teasing ....I doubt Perfect11s is aware of what 'mongs' is short for and if she/he does, it doesn't matter, in the great JC tradition, it's just a joke!!! Hurrah
Merry Crisis
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Respect!!! As usual a well constructed post.
Denzalwood
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JC is awesome, down with a Country that won't allow you to say what you feel especially if it's just in the name of humor. Freedom of speech anyone?
Magicmillbrook
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Like you just did about private sector workers?
And I think you are misusing the term 'gilded cage' which refers to a place that is a trap - difficult to leave because it comes with such golden benefits. I don't see how that refers to people 'pen pushing' in offices especially when admin work is paid around 12k! It does however relate to the public sector where the work can be demanding and the environment stressful, but people don't leave because of the pay and benefits they get ( I know I worked in it for a while).
Mmm dont recall judging private sector workers at all, I appreciate that everyone is having a hard time. I am merely coming back at the idots who say that anyone on the dole queue could do the work of a public sector worker - what a silly thing to say, there are a myriad of different jobs that require specialist skills and qualifications.
Again the gilded cage reference was how another poster described their experience of Public sector work - well he/she and you would find it a very different place to work now.
No increments or pay rises at my place of work for 4 years now and none likely in the future - just because goverment are saying we may get a pay rise of up to 1% in 2 years time, doesnt mean our employers will award it. Our overtime budgets are gone but we still do work out of hours - we can claim the hours as time off in lieu, however myself and most of my colleagues have too may hours clocked up and end up loosing hours each month, so are in effect working for free.
I just cant believe that anyone working in the private or public sector paying into a pension scheme is going to be happy to pay up to 50% more into their pension scheme and be happy with receiving 25% less. If that makes me a whingeing money grabbing person then so be it.
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nannubu
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Absolutely fed up with misinformed and ignorant teacher bashing also - the right to strike is one not to used lightly but should be used to make a point. Seems alot of people believe that top down policy change should be greeted with a chorus of the public sector dropping their trousers and letting the policy makers get on with it. I find it extremely distasteful that forum members have taken the time to work out another's salary and then made the vacuous argument that if you are on a decent wage, then disagreeing with your conditions is 'whinging'. Grow up - it's called not being a total mug. It's ludicrous that teachers striking are met with more bile and vitriol than those immoral, bonus humping, bailed out bankers...
SusannaF
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Miss L Toe
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Sorry, but this is a bit like the coffee machine service guy who claimed to have helped the space race because his coffee machine was in NASA, lol
I am not pro or anti Unsion, but in the PS, it is impossible for individual non members to negotiate their wages with their employers, people who don't contribute to the union [or donate fees to charity] are just as willing to accept the negotiated benefits, if you don't agree with the union I suggest you become an activist, change will only occur from the inside.
I don't agree with paying union officials [ so called socialists] or failed bankers [self seeking incompetent capitalists] ridiculous amounts of cash.
They are paid to do a job and should accept the salary they took when they were put in post, if they make a mess of it they should be sacked, not rewarded.
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Miss L Toe
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I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but in my opinion MPs income should immediately be linked to senior civil service rates, INCLUDING the new pensions, it seem to me that MPs are not contributing to their [self-voted] pensions [or pay scales] but expect their staff to do so.
This would immediately reduce the ongoing UK debt burden considerably, and of course we should back date it, so all those ex MPs have to go out and work for their money, just like the rest of us. I believe each one costs us £250K per anum, and that is while in post, I don't believe many of these individuals generate that sort of business for their constituency.
This would immediately reduce the ongoing UK debt burden considerably, and of course we should back date it, so all those ex MPs have to go out and work for their money, just like the rest of us. I believe each one costs us £250K per anum, and that is while in post, I don't believe many of these individuals generate that sort of business for their constituency.
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Miss L Toe
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Some do, some don't, I used to deal with teachers, and could never get hold of one after 3.40, also the local school-teachers car park is empty by 4.00 pm most days. There is a good career structure and support for those who are sick.
I worked in the Civil service for several years, and we worked 8.30 to 5.00 pm, no exceptions. Four weeks holiday plus 12 days Public Holidays were all paid holidays, and we had a career structure which ensured the cream rose to the top.
The terms and conditions were negotiated for us nationally by the Civil Service National Whitley Council. there was no opting out of the pension scheme in those days. So there should be no retired civil servants claiming benefits.
PS Most teachers could have worked from home if they felt the need to protest in silence. You had a full day to work on your Schemes of Work, and have Christmas Day off
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DragonSlayer
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Well, that's mighty generous of you, I have to say....
My question is the teacher-bashing.
What about the OTHER public workers? Why aren't people having a whine about them?
...or is it just easier to whinge about the teachers because they 'appear' to have it easy?
Miss L Toe
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I think it is because teachers appear to work thirty weeks a year to be honest, and they are high profile, working in the community has its drawbacks.
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DragonSlayer
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Yes, I think you are right on that one!
AengusOg
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There can be no true freedom of speech.
If I stood on a box, in the middle of a city square, and spouted off on subjects such as cruel horsemanship, the Westminster government's attitude to my country's right to choose independence, lax immigration laws, or what should be done to people who starve horses to death, for example, and incited others to join me, it wouldn't be long before I was branded a nutcase/racist/terrorist/weirdo, and moved on or arrested.
It may be different if I were being paid by the BBC, but I'm not so I keep my mouth shut most of the time.
Wundahorse
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Sadly Jeremy Clarkson is rude,arrogant and very ill informed.As a Nurse of many years experience and a lot of dedication and hard work, I cannot disagree more about public sector pensions.They are not gold plated for front line staff,and only more senior managers tend to get the better deals.Also When Jeremy Clarkson refers to himself as hard working, I can only add that he plays with cars and his pals for a living.Wonder how he would cope working in a hospital,tending to the sick,and dealing with the daily challenges on the wards. Bet he's run a mile.Shame on him for being so pig ignorant.
Mrs B
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You appear to be another public sector worker who thinks that your wages, hours, retirement age and pension should remain as it is.
And I say again - most people in this country have faced and are still facing HUGE cutbacks to income, lifestyle, holidays, pensions etc whether they're private OR public sector. As Cave Canem said earlier: her income has halved in a year to £11,000. Why should you be any different?
Wundahorse
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It is not about being different,and i wonder why people are comparing,i am simply making a point about the lack of real awareness regarding pensions.I choose to train as a Nurse,electing to avoid a career in politics etc.Big mistake,if i was an MP i could look forward to a huge pot of money from the pension pot.We all have different careers,wages etc,most of it by choice,and i do understand some people have low earnings.Some years ago all in the private sector was rosy,but with the recession,the media have turned against the public sector,which is unfair,and the stories they perpetuate are ill informed and erroneous,and judging by this forum, divisive.
minkymoo
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Quote from a Unison rep: "Whilst he is driving round in fast cars for a living, public sector workers are busy holding our society together - they save others' lives on a daily basis, they care for the sick, the vulnerable, the elderly."
Umm, not when they are on strike they don't.
I object to being referred to as a 'pencil pusher' and 'in a gilded cage' just because I work in the private sector. I work damn hard thank you and at the end of the day, we all make our career choices. If you don't like it, get a different job!
Umm, not when they are on strike they don't.
I object to being referred to as a 'pencil pusher' and 'in a gilded cage' just because I work in the private sector. I work damn hard thank you and at the end of the day, we all make our career choices. If you don't like it, get a different job!
noblesteed
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And just to prove who gets the prize for being the biggest IDIOT of 2011, JC has just reiterated what he said about train suicides today, in The Sun of all places! In fact he has gone into further detail about what should happen to the bodies of said poor sick souls. Utterly disgusting. Talk about going too far... and yes it turns out he WAS told to make those remarks about PS workers.
Point proven. I rest my case!
btw Wundahorse I wouldn't take any notice of what Mrs B says. I have a suspicion that she is one of the Glorious Retired herself, who probably reads the Daily Mail, judging by her earlier comments. You know the ones who got to retire on their Massive pensions that we now are paying for? My Dad is one of them too. They all think teachers are lazy and the NHS are rubbish. Views around 25 years out of date? Don't worry, at some point she'll be in need of your fabulous NHS care and then she can tell you that you deserve a pay cut, ideally while you are standing over her with a needle...
Point proven. I rest my case!
btw Wundahorse I wouldn't take any notice of what Mrs B says. I have a suspicion that she is one of the Glorious Retired herself, who probably reads the Daily Mail, judging by her earlier comments. You know the ones who got to retire on their Massive pensions that we now are paying for? My Dad is one of them too. They all think teachers are lazy and the NHS are rubbish. Views around 25 years out of date? Don't worry, at some point she'll be in need of your fabulous NHS care and then she can tell you that you deserve a pay cut, ideally while you are standing over her with a needle...
Alec Swan
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I rarely take the side of others, on here, and whilst I can't comment on Mrs. B's reading choice, I can assure you that you are, otherwise, very wrong. I'd also advise you that such ill thought out assumptions do you, and your argument, no favours. Though I doubt that this will bother you, much!!
Alec.
Mrs B
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Love it! You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried! And really, if that's the best response you can come up with to my perfectly valid question about why any one group of people's jobs/pensions/lifestyle etc should be protected over everyone else's then it's a pretty poor effort, especially for a teacher!
Miss L Toe
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Cave Canem changed jobs,and found that regular work on a salary pays better than part time work as a locum
C,,C,, can still apply for all those jobs teachers used to keep telling us are available in the private sector at enhanced rates [never ever found these jobs myself]
Personally I don't think you would be too pleased if you left one job to go in to another, and a week later were told that you would only be getting half your wages following a decree by Jeremy Clarkson, the Prime Minister.
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perfect11s
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Christ's sake!!!! he is a presenter on a childish motoring program he writes a collum in a paper or two and he is well known for winding up the dull , po faced , and these cretins that believe the world is going to melt if we dont tax everyone in the into poverty amongst others!!! get over it he is a jester .
and as for you mupets in the public sector instead of kicking off and telling everyone what a fantastic job you do for little money think about the recent failings in the NHS like stafford hospital, MRSA, and shocking lack of care for the elderly that has been reported in the papers and even on the lefty bbc, police arent exactly stellar either , Teachers judging from the sullen chav scum with little or no work ethic that seem to roam the streets need to up their game too ... so lose the sense of intitlement and get on with the jobs be the best...and stop digging yourself's deeper with your arrogant comments , your unions puppet goverment is out of office and the present lot are making an attempt to ballance the books ..so get over it...
and as for you mupets in the public sector instead of kicking off and telling everyone what a fantastic job you do for little money think about the recent failings in the NHS like stafford hospital, MRSA, and shocking lack of care for the elderly that has been reported in the papers and even on the lefty bbc, police arent exactly stellar either , Teachers judging from the sullen chav scum with little or no work ethic that seem to roam the streets need to up their game too ... so lose the sense of intitlement and get on with the jobs be the best...and stop digging yourself's deeper with your arrogant comments , your unions puppet goverment is out of office and the present lot are making an attempt to ballance the books ..so get over it...
scullysdad
Member
Ah - but the point everyone seems to ignore about public service pensions is that they were taken into account in the overall salary package over the years - so people have had lower pay and lower pay rises over their career than people in the private sector - and now oh dear, what a shame we cant afford to give you what we promised - well flipping well blame the private sector that got us into this mess!
criptic
Member
After watching his embarassing performance on The One Show last night - just antagonistic nonsense he spouted - I would only vote for him to have his mouth taped shut.
2 votes for him to have his mouth shut!
perfect11s
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No blame Gordon brown, ed balls , for spending more than the economy could stand, selling gold reserves, taxing private pensions into failure, allowing the banks to do just as they please then bailing them out mainly because they were Scotish he is and the labour party would never get elected again without the Jocks voting for them.. oh and the public sector are still far better off than the average joe in the productive sector,Hmm just curious is every person in the public sector hard of thinking??? !!!! and has'nt a clue about basic economics and where money comes from?????
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