Jeremy Clarkson

perfect11s said:
I doubt I would have a sense of humor either if I lived somewhere it rains and is cold most of the year :D
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Yup,only a wee dram ..or five..to keep warm with.And then the Scots just get plain nasty with drink. Must be bad with all that wet and dark though,sorry for them really.Jezza`s humour is dry English ,done at a purposely ridiculous level, if you believe it ,you are the fkwit.
One of my friends greatest jokes,which has all of us crying with laughter,involves a "mobile crematorium" on wheels with a bell to ring.Her suggestion is that all irritating humans could be flung out of the door as it passes,thus there would be no more mother in law problems etc.
As with Jezza it could be offensive out of context.Lighten up for Gawd`s Sake:D
 
BeesKnees said:
To be fair, my understanding is that if you are a member of a union and the ballot comes out in favour of a strike, you are expected to go along with the majority decision. Thats the deal. Its not really an option not to strike.

Where they do have a choice is in which union they join ( or indeed whether they join one ). So for instance my sister, who is a teacher chose not to join the NUT as she believed they were too hardline.

She's off on mats leave at the mo, so didn't have to make the decision.

I believe in the principle of unions and the right to strike. I just wish those who support this one showed a little more awareness and sensitivity of the fact that the average private sector worker is worse off than they are yet is still contributing to their pensions, when they often don't have a pension of their own.
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1] democracy, is reason for the vote
2] "mats leave" is that teacher speak for maternity leave, something negotiated by unions: in Ye Olden Days [1950's] a girl getting married had to leave her work to become a home-maker.
Without unions the UK could still be a third world country, is that what you want?
I believe that if you think one particular union is too extreme you can donate the fees to a charity, or not join the union, or join another union.
I was once a civil servant, and if I met someone with the attitude "we pay your wages" I was not impressed. A civil servant is not in a position to be confrontational, but you should be aware that they are there to support the structure of the country, most confrontational comments come from people who would not pass civil service exams or interviews.
 
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MrsD123 said:
1] democracy, is reason for the vote
2] "mats leave" is that teacher speak for maternity leave, something negotiated by unions: in Ye Olden Days [1950's] a girl getting married had to leave her work to become a home-maker.
Without unions the UK could still be a third world country, is that what you want?
I believe that if you think one particular union is too extreme you can donate the fees to a charity, or not join the union, or join another union..
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MrsD123 I'm not sure why you seem to be taking me to task over a post where I clearly state my support for the principle of unions and the right to strike :confused:

Did you actually read it?

As for "most confrontational comments being made by people who wouldn't pass civil service exams" I would say that your complete failure to grasp my post, despite being an ex civil servant, doesn't bear witness to your assertion.

And furthermore judging by the quality of argument on this and the other thread on pensions, those supporting the strike have shown themselves largely to lack even the basic understanding of how the public sector and their pensions are financed. Those questioning the strike have been mixed but some have shown often a higher level of rational argument.

And as for "holding the structure of society together", I think all the people who build and maintain the houses, the hospitals, the schools, the roads, the transport systems, grow the food, process and package the food, staff the shops, stack the shelves in the middle of the night, work in the factories etc etc etc....... would take serious issue with your idea that civil servants keep society going.

it's precisely that narrow, selfish, heads up your own arses, attitude that pisses people off.
 
Oh and as for the original point of this thread, Jeremy Clarksons joke wasn't really about the strike, if you read the transcript you'll see it was about the BBC and the alleged need for balance in all BBC discussion about issues. He states the fact that ' this is the BBC so we have to be balanced ' and then goes on to be as controversial and unbalanced as he could be.

Geddit now?
 
Santa Paws said:
I would reply to this but I am still p*ssing myself laughing so hard that I can't see the keyboard properly to formulate a sensible message.
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Yes, that has to be a classic !
Late husband was a highly qualified civil servant and I qualified as a nurse in 1981 and we were always of the opinion that being a public servant meant duty and responsibility to those we served.
I certainly see striking teachers in a new light since they became so militant. Shame.
 
And as for "holding the structure of society together", I think all the people who build and maintain the houses, the hospitals, the schools, the roads, the transport systems, grow the food, process and package the food, staff the shops, stack the shelves in the middle of the night, work in the factories etc etc etc....... would take serious issue with your idea that civil servants keep society going.
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If the public sector are that inconsequential then why take issue with them striking - surely you wouldn't notice that they were not working? Oh - you mean that parents/grandparents would have to stop work to look after the kids, that commerce into and out of the country would stop because there is no UK Border Agency clearing goods/people, better get the first aid box up to date then cos there would only be expensive private hospitals. And if you think that the elected politicians ( even Maggie) run the country then I suggest you watch a few episodes of Yes Minister.

Oh and I am NOT a public sector worker - I run my own business and export to the rest of the world so I do my "bit" for the UK economy.
 
I am a community sister... the only benefit i got was my pension, if i had my time again i would do a different job. I can't afford to support myself and my son on my wages yet i went to uni worked hard for 3 years, worked my way up through management and i get paid half the wage of a manager at sainsburys!!! Don't get me wrong i love my job but the reality of trying to live on what i get paid makes me think really i should do something else.

Nurses are just not valued anymore in this country, I know there are a few that really do make me ashamed sometimes to call myself a nurse but I work hard, I care about the people I look after and treat, I'd hate to give up something I feel I am really good at and that I am passionate about.

As or Jeremy Clarkson, when he works 14 hour shifts, gets home late every night, is emotionally and physically exhausted after the tasks we do and gets paid my wage for it... then I will listen to what he has to say. He has no clue.

However I did not agree with the strikes, they did not help anyone.
 
nursecroft said:
I am a community sister... the only benefit i got was my pension,
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and security of tenure
and life assurance
and pension due to ill health if injured or too ill to continue to work
and longer holidays than private sector workers
and more sick pay than private sector workers


nursecroft said:
if i had my time again i would do a different job. I can't afford to support myself and my son on my wages yet i went to uni worked hard for 3 years, worked my way up through management and i get paid half the wage of a manager at sainsburys!!!
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Can we check this? What are you paid? Is there a Sainsbury's Manager here who can tell us what he/she is paid for running a store with several hundred employees in it open 7 days a week, and a couple of hundred thousand customers who can choose to go elsewhere if you get your job wrong?


nursecroft said:
Don't get me wrong i love my job but the reality of trying to live on what i get paid makes me think really i should do something else.
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No one is stopping you. Do it.


nursecroft said:
but I work hard, I care about the people I look after and treat, I'd hate to give up something I feel I am really good at and that I am passionate about.
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I don't doubt that at all, but there are thousands of people going to work today who HATE their jobs but they are doing it to put food on their families tables. You are lucky that you are passionate about your work.

nursecroft said:
However I did not agree with the strikes, they did not help anyone.
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We agree on that one!
 
Santa Paws said:
and security of tenure
and life assurance
and pension due to ill health if injured or too ill to continue to work
and longer holidays than private sector workers
and more sick pay than private sector workers




Can we check this? What are you paid? Is there a Sainsbury's Manager here who can tell us what he/she is paid for running a store with several hundred employees in it open 7 days a week, and a couple of hundred thousand customers who can choose to go elsewhere if you get your job wrong?




No one is stopping you. Do it.




I don't doubt that at all, but there are thousands of people going to work today who HATE their jobs but they are doing it to put food on their families tables. You are lucky that you are passionate about your work.



We agree on that one!
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I have a friend who i a manager at Sainburys she worked her way up, has no professional qualifications and takes home double what I do. No I'm afraid I don't post my income on public forums.

Its attitudes like this that annoy me, I'd rather have less holiday and more pay thanks, I work an avarage of 2 hours per day overtime unpaid. Do I get more sick pay than all private workers? I wouldn't know am very rarely sick! I am passionate about my work because i believe I am doing something worthwhile to help others as well as earn a living for myself. However struggling as a single mum through no fault of my own by the way it makes me wish I had chosen a different career. Nursing is the pooriest paid profession in my opinion.

Oh no really? People will shop elsewhere if you make a mistake as a manager at Sainbury's... thats really quite terrible.... if I get my job wrong people can die.

I may go and work at the local run hospice anyway, they know how to treat their staff and the patients there are always lovely.

Like I said this country just does not value its nurses or have any clue what healthcare costs, all i ask is to be able to live on my wages.

I'm not going to comment further on this as I have a feeling you will wind me up, no wonder no-one wants to go into nursing anymore.
 
nursecroft said:
all i ask is to be able to live on my wages.
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I'll eat my hat if you do not live on a damned sight more money than most of your patients. You do realise that the AVERAGE income in this country is around £24k don't you? That means for every investment banker earning £1,000,000 a year there are eight thousand people earning only £12.5k a year. MOST people in this country earn below the National Average. Do you?

Your continued stress on your qualifications is showing a nasty discriminatory attitiude towards people less qualified but equally as intelligent as you, or even more so. I think you'll also find that most Sainsbury's Managers came through their GRADUATE recruitment program. The rest were the cream of the cream of a shopful of workers who are not as fortunate as you are to have had the opportunity to go to university. Don't imagine for a moment that they couldn't have done, they just didn't get the chance.
 
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I'm sure but I bet they don't have the responsibility I do or the qualifications. Other professional get paid a lot more than I do. Yes I did know that thank you. I didn't come here to get attacked by you so let's just leave it :)
 
nursecroft said:
I'm not going to comment further on this as I have a feeling you will wind me up, no wonder no-one wants to go into nursing anymore.
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I have googled high and low and I can find no reference whatsoever to there being any difficulty in filling places on nurse training courses.

We are not training enough, but that's not because people don't want to do it, is it?
 
nursecroft said:
I have a friend who i a manager at Sainburys she worked her way up, has no professional qualifications and takes home double what I do. No I'm afraid I don't post my income on public forums.


Like I said this country just does not value its nurses or have any clue what healthcare costs, all i ask is to be able to live on my wages.

I'm not going to comment further on this as I have a feeling you will wind me up, no wonder no-one wants to go into nursing anymore.
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Well no need to comment, if that is how you perceive your job I suggest you move to another one, and in your profession there are many choices.
I think nurses are reasonably well paid, I think most get more than £24K[ Band 5] and if they can't live on that, well there is something wrong.
 
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God you're like a dog with a bone, 3/4 of student nurses dropped out in the first year of training when i trained, they apply with a romantic view of doing something worthwhile and saving lives then they experience the working conditions and pay. Then there's all the complaints from patients which 90% are well justified but the solution to most of them is more staff which we just don't have.
 
Like I says I'm not here to be attacked by people who clearly have no clue what we do everyday or the wages we are actually on for the hours we do. Nice to know you all value nurses so much, I do believe people should be paid according to the qualifications and responsibilities they have otherwise what was the point in me working my bum off at uni if it is worth nothing? I'd like you to leave me alone now, seems this forum is really very unfriendly and full of bullies that don't respect others views.
 
MrsD123 said:
So there is 25% unemployment in the 18 to 21 age bracket and none of them want a secure job with a well designed career structure, good terms and conditions,,,, something wrong here!
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Yes there is a lot of people can't handle the things we have to do! For example manual evacuations on disabled patients, cleaning people up when they are incontient, looking after a person that is dying and supporting their family. Believe it or not its not an easy job, the hours are long its emotionally and physically draining.

We signed a contract for a very good pension, I went into nursing thinking its something i really want to do because its rewarding helping people... yes the wage are not great as we do many more hours than we should but if a patient needs seeing after my shift finishes and no-one can do then i go which happens most days. I thought at least I'll have a secure job with a good pension that pays me sick pay if i am ill. The governement decided to change our pension without discussion, i can't speak for teachers and other public sector workers but nurses are tired, its all stick and no carrot. I feel sorry for many of my patients because we do the best we can but the nhs is running on less than minimal staff in alot of departments.

I really don't care what you lot think of me, I am proud of what I do and I appreciate nurses from the other side too having a terminally ill mum myself.

I don't dispute that private sector workers have it hard, my family are not public sector workers.

I feel I am not getting anywhere here so lets just agree to disagree as this is the last thing i need right now.

I'll leave to carry on slagging us off.
 
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God you're like a dog with a bone, 3/4 of student nurses dropped out in the first year of training when i trained, they apply with a romantic view of doing something worthwhile and saving lives then they experience the working conditions and pay. Then there's all the complaints from patients which 90% are well justified but the solution to most of them is more staff which we just don't have.
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To be objective, if there is a 75% failure rate there is something wrong with the interview stage.
Working conditions and pay, fgs its not all about evacuating patients!
 
No-one dies if I make a mistake in my job so there isn't that pressure but I do often have to work under pressure of a different kind.

I appreciate that nurses do work hard and I won't even pretend to know about the pay bands. I'm very grateful for the work that (most of them) do BUT please don't think you are the only profession where unpaid/unrecognised overtime is required or expected.

Not intended to be a personal attack but unpaid o/t is one of the arguments that have come up in these threads time and time again as some people seem to think it's only public sector workers who have to do this and no-one else has a demanding job.

IT'S NOT A COMPETITION AS TO WHO HAS THE HARDEST JOB ;)
 

Poor you,
WAKE UP, you are not the only person who is in a difficult position, I just met a girl I know from 7 years ago, her family [four carers required] look after her 24/7, and now they have a people carrier with a ramp and all sorts, I think it must have cost about £20K, I don't grudge them, it is the cost of her living, she is paid for on the NH / benefit system in the UK, given the choice, I am sure she would rather be healthy.
This lady can't speak. is doubly incontinent, and has to be fed by tube, personally I am happy to be able to [financially] contibute to her care, without having to actually do it!
 
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Couldn't agree more Nursecroft.The problem is that most people have little real insight into the roles and responsibilities that qualified Nurses carry each shift,and beyond.My contract still makes me responsible for what happens when i am off duty.Furthermore,myself and colleagues have additional responsibilities,such as assessing and managing risk factors,safeguarding children and adults,attending public protection meetings,and having to come up with strategies in the absence of any legislation which helps us to manage risk.The media have been waging a negative campaign against NHS,Teachers etc for some time,with little substance behind their spurious allegations.One Harold Shipman or Beverley Allit does not mean all staff are bad,or let infections run rife.The inadequate system,and systematic underfunding caused the latter.The majority of staff provide a very dedicated service.I could bash the private sector,for failing to deliver a good service.Look at the case of HSBC,as one example of greed and corruption.I gather the financial advisor's took their big bonus and accepted no responsibility.Perhaps the private sector also needs a shake up to make it more competitive,and to provide the customer with a good service.
 
nursecroft said:
I'm sure but I bet they don't have the responsibility I do or the qualifications. Other professional get paid a lot more than I do. Yes I did know that thank you. I didn't come here to get attacked by you so let's just leave it :)
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I'm sorry you are struggling Nursecroft and feel attacked but it is only because rpeatedly the public sector workers on here have shown absolutely NO idea about how tough things are for many private sector workers.

I manage a small business, which means I basically do everything including the monthly income and expenditure and performance accounts, writing contracts, policies and procedures and managing staff. I have a degree and postgraduate qualifications. I also do unpaid hours most days.

No, people dont die if i dont do my job well, but the business owner risks losing his house and the ability to care for his 3 children if the business fails. So yes I think I do have a lot of responsibility and I am at least as qualified as you.

I earn considerably less than the average salary in the UK and due to the tough climate I have not had a pay rise in 3 years.

I have a tiny private pension that is worth less this year than last, and at today's value would pay £88. Per month.

Now do you see that's why we get annoyed?
 
Public sector workers are very aware of the difficult economic climate,but please do not blame us for that.Politicians,the bankers and the world economy has contributed to this.Times are very lean,but not so long ago,things were equally good,and i know lots of people in the private sector who did very well indeed.Don't worry though as the money i have to spend to live gets recycled back into the economy.
 
I wonder if the JC will ever comment, I think not. I can stir up comment if I want, I can go down to LIDL and start shouting, they don't know me so I suppose they will send a PC to take me away , weep.
PS I did a send up on facebook, a lot of Fire on a Wind mill , lol you lot fell for it!
 
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