MochaDun
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April you could make a career out of this for all sorts of horse products, would be a wonderful service to offer owners and you could charge for the info you research and results you find!
Joint Supplements - April's Amateur Analysis
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vallin
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Could we possibly do cortavet too? or is that the same problem as cortaflex? Thanks this post is ace.
_April_
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Thanks for the lovely comments and thanks noisygirl for alerting me to them - I've not been on here in a few weeks.
I don't have time to do more today but I will definitely try and look at the rest tomorrow and collate what we have all found so far.
Just remember - I am not any kind of expert - I just like to look into these things as a total amateur.
I don't have time to do more today but I will definitely try and look at the rest tomorrow and collate what we have all found so far.
Just remember - I am not any kind of expert - I just like to look into these things as a total amateur.
PurplePickle
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another HHOer pointed me to this thread, its so useful thank you. Ive gone with riaflex as an alternative to synequin as its about 70p cheaper a day to use.
vallin
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Brill thanks 
vallin
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Was just wondering if you had a chance to do any more?
Thanks
Thanks
BonniePony
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I just found this thread and was hoping to find a conclusion at the end.... ?! Did you reach a conclusion OP?
JanetGeorge
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That was why I started with Riaflex Complete mor than 3 years ago. My vet recommended Synequin (as about the ONLY one then that had the necessary levels of the 3 main ingredients.) I did the research and found Riaflex Complete had a slightly better spec on the recommended daily dose - and was MUCH cheaper. Showed my vet - he agreed - and now recommends Riaflex Complete.
I have two horses on it - a 17hh HW hunter (aged 22) with arthritis and a severe high articular ringbone. He stays sound to hunt on Riaflex Complete and 1 sachet of Danilon a day. And my 19 year old RID stallion who has coffin joint arthritis in one front foot which caused severe lameness a couple of years ago when he jarred it badly - he remains sound now JUST on the Riaflex Complete. That's good enough for me.
emm0r
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What about the prosportive triflex ??
http://www.prosportive.co.uk/online-shop/joint-products/triflex-100/
Only pure active ingredients are packed into Triflex 100% to minimise clicking or stiff joints. Triflex 100% is a scientifically balanced formula of the three best nutraceutical products for healthy joint maintenance. This feed supplement contains no fillers, therefore delivers more active ingredients to support joints, tendons, ligaments and cartilage. Triflex 100% also aids general health, flexibility and mobility in performance and senior horses and will soothe post-exercise stiffness.
Nutrient Gms/kg
MSM 588.0
Glucosamine (Hcl) 294.0
Chonodroitin 118.0
http://www.prosportive.co.uk/online-shop/joint-products/triflex-100/
Only pure active ingredients are packed into Triflex 100% to minimise clicking or stiff joints. Triflex 100% is a scientifically balanced formula of the three best nutraceutical products for healthy joint maintenance. This feed supplement contains no fillers, therefore delivers more active ingredients to support joints, tendons, ligaments and cartilage. Triflex 100% also aids general health, flexibility and mobility in performance and senior horses and will soothe post-exercise stiffness.
Nutrient Gms/kg
MSM 588.0
Glucosamine (Hcl) 294.0
Chonodroitin 118.0
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traceyann
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could you look at recovery eq ha spend three hundred pound every four months for this although my horse is sound on this would like to find something the same but cheaper
Louby
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My last horse was on liquid cortavet but when my insurance ran out I decided to try to find something cheaper so I tried Feedmark Flexamine which was on offer. Wow what a difference. My horse was like a spring chicken.
Any info on Feedmark Flexamine?
Any info on Feedmark Flexamine?
BentleyBelly
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Just bumping this up....I know its really old but its very interesting and helpful, I've now started feeding Premierflex HA at twice the dosage on the pot (I feed a sccop morning and night now).
wingedhorse
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It is very interesting. Going on cost, and having the required amount of key ingredients, supplease gold seems to come out the best, as I have read the thread, and calculated so far.
I have also seen a good offer on Supplease gold, that makes it cheaper still - http://www.thepetmedicinecompany.co.uk/search/aviform/supplease.php
This makes it cost £24 a month to feed 20gms a day, providing 4gms chondroitin and 10gms glucosamine, (and 4.9gms MSM).
Can anyone find anything cheaper, meeting these amounts (of high purity 95-99%) per day?
I have looked and looked (as my horse has to be on this long term) and I cant find anything of the right amounts (and purities) and cheaper.
I have also seen a good offer on Supplease gold, that makes it cheaper still - http://www.thepetmedicinecompany.co.uk/search/aviform/supplease.php
This makes it cost £24 a month to feed 20gms a day, providing 4gms chondroitin and 10gms glucosamine, (and 4.9gms MSM).
Can anyone find anything cheaper, meeting these amounts (of high purity 95-99%) per day?
I have looked and looked (as my horse has to be on this long term) and I cant find anything of the right amounts (and purities) and cheaper.
competitiondiva
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haven't read all your comments but i use vetvits equiflex which has had amazing results being fed at the initial loading dose, I have been told i can drop down to the maintenance dose but don't want to alter anything as it's working!!
From what i've read and seen it's the highest dose of glucosamine and chondroitin for it's money! daily maintencance dose contains 5,000 mg of glucosamine and 1.000mg of chondrotin, feeding a 500Kg horse the maintenance dose would mean the tub would last 62 days, meaning it's 27p per day as delivery is free! If you wanted to ensure you fed 10,000mg glucosamine then the tub would last half the maintenance dose time, so would only be £16.95 for a months supply instead of 2.
http://www.vetvits.co.uk/horse-supplements/equiflex/productdetail-p15877-c3184.aspx
From what i've read and seen it's the highest dose of glucosamine and chondroitin for it's money! daily maintencance dose contains 5,000 mg of glucosamine and 1.000mg of chondrotin, feeding a 500Kg horse the maintenance dose would mean the tub would last 62 days, meaning it's 27p per day as delivery is free! If you wanted to ensure you fed 10,000mg glucosamine then the tub would last half the maintenance dose time, so would only be £16.95 for a months supply instead of 2.
http://www.vetvits.co.uk/horse-supplements/equiflex/productdetail-p15877-c3184.aspx
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wingedhorse
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But you would need to feed four fold to achieve 4gms of chondroitin a day (the expensive ingredient). Then it becomes £34 a month. And doesnt contain any MSM.
competitiondiva
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i suppose it depends on what you are mainly wanting to feed, my vet doesn't belive msm has any clinical recognition for joint conditions and says the main components are glucosamine and chondroitin that I should be feeding, though the latter has some people in doubt as some say the molecule is too large to pass across the gut wall of the horse therefore feeding chondroitin is a waste of money with horses. All i know is that i used these components with my dog and it worked, then i used the same 2 components with my horse and both myself and my vet haven't seen such improvement in the whole 15 months prior to using it than when she was on it. It did take a while to take effect though so agree it is slow acting. But now wouldn't change it. (If it aint broken don't fix it!!) But horses are like people what works for one, won't necasarily work for another.
I do agree though that that supplease to contain all those ingredients at those levels, does seem a very good deal....
I do agree though that that supplease to contain all those ingredients at those levels, does seem a very good deal....
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MiCsarah
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I LOVE suppleaze gold. My boy has bad hocks and was needing to be fed a high dose on other supplements that I can achieve on just the maintenance does on suppleaze
wingedhorse
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Agree the MSM is fairly incidental for me.
Agree if it works dont change it, and different things work for different people.
However, 10gms glucosamine and 4gms chondroitin is the generally recommended dose then it seems like a good starting point, when initially chosing a supplement, and if you dont want to keep experimenting with different onces
If you dont believe chondroitin makes any difference, and there is debate, you can feed straight glucosamine (can buy pure glucosamine HCl at £40 for 1.5kg, which will last 5 months, fed at 10gm a day) - http://www.aviform.co.uk/Store/Equi...UCOSAMINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-EQUINE-Highest-Purity
This is a really cheap way of feeding a joint supplement, if you cannot afford / justify a supplement with chondroitin in it.
Agree if it works dont change it, and different things work for different people.
However, 10gms glucosamine and 4gms chondroitin is the generally recommended dose then it seems like a good starting point, when initially chosing a supplement, and if you dont want to keep experimenting with different onces
If you dont believe chondroitin makes any difference, and there is debate, you can feed straight glucosamine (can buy pure glucosamine HCl at £40 for 1.5kg, which will last 5 months, fed at 10gm a day) - http://www.aviform.co.uk/Store/Equi...UCOSAMINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-EQUINE-Highest-Purity
This is a really cheap way of feeding a joint supplement, if you cannot afford / justify a supplement with chondroitin in it.
wingedhorse
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MiCsarah - have you seen this price offer - it is £30 cheaper than from the Aviform website - http://www.thepetmedicinecompany.co.uk/search/aviform/supplease.php !!!!
(And no I have no connection - am an Accountant!)
MiCsarah
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thankyou very much, I shall save that website for my next order! thats like £60 for almost 2 years supply!!
Mynstrel
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Is that how long that size tub will last?
MiCsarah
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600days a 1.5kg tub will last, so 100 days short of 2 days
Mynstrel
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Think I need to look into this stuff, thanks
MiCsarah
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I would highly reccomend it
Mynstrel
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My brain isn't working, what size of horse is that feeding? I can't seem to add up today!
MiCsarah
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Actually working it out it will only last 300 days for a 300-600kg horse but thats still cheap!
Mynstrel
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Just done the maths again & it makes sense now - especially when you've said that! For some reason I was only getting 75 days. Think I'll try some of that when our vet vits one is running out, the price of that is going up soon according to the paperwork we got this weekend
wingedhorse
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I feed at the loading dose for a 500kg horse long term.
I ignore the manufacturers guidance, as I follow my vet's guidance to give 10gms glucosamine, and 4gms chondroitin.
So I give 2 scoops which is 20gms.
This with the link I posted is 80pence a day, or £24 a month.
1.5kg lasts me 75 days or 2.5 months.
If you chose to feed at the maintanence dose, is 1 10gm scoop, which is 40pence a day, 12 a month and 1.5kg lasts 150 days or 5 months.
HTH
F_H
I ignore the manufacturers guidance, as I follow my vet's guidance to give 10gms glucosamine, and 4gms chondroitin.
So I give 2 scoops which is 20gms.
This with the link I posted is 80pence a day, or £24 a month.
1.5kg lasts me 75 days or 2.5 months.
If you chose to feed at the maintanence dose, is 1 10gm scoop, which is 40pence a day, 12 a month and 1.5kg lasts 150 days or 5 months.
HTH
F_H
HorseyJennie
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Wow my head hurts!
Just to throw a spanner into the works - I attended a lecture a few years bag where a researcher analysed various equine supplements to see how their actually contents compared to their label claims, and I think the variance went from 10-150% of what they were supposed to contain!!! Obviously cheap stuff they are happy to throw in willy nilly.
More regulation for equine products needed I think!
I can't believe the cost of some of these things either, I thought I was going down the expensive route with Nupafeed Flex GLM Green Lipped Mussel. It's just under £76 a tub which works out at on £1.26 a day, I was really surprised to find things significantly more expensive being mentioned because it is awesome, possibly they can do it because they supply direct???? Anyway my wallet feels rather less aggrieved now!
Just to throw a spanner into the works - I attended a lecture a few years bag where a researcher analysed various equine supplements to see how their actually contents compared to their label claims, and I think the variance went from 10-150% of what they were supposed to contain!!! Obviously cheap stuff they are happy to throw in willy nilly.
More regulation for equine products needed I think!
I can't believe the cost of some of these things either, I thought I was going down the expensive route with Nupafeed Flex GLM Green Lipped Mussel. It's just under £76 a tub which works out at on £1.26 a day, I was really surprised to find things significantly more expensive being mentioned because it is awesome, possibly they can do it because they supply direct???? Anyway my wallet feels rather less aggrieved now!
Raffy
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I have just researched this subject too and came up with Supplease gold from Aviform as the best product of its type even though my vet recommended Synequin the amounts of glucosamine and chondroitin are better in the Supplease Gold and it includeds MSM (agreed dose not quite high enough) but it is also cheaper especially if you buy 1.5kg.
If I chose this type of product then I will buy this however I am interested in the Equi Elements product which claims it
- improves your horse's bone and joint health and strength.
- Your horse can race or compete with reduced risk of bone and joint related injuries.
- Equine athletes' careers can be extended when horses suffer less from bone and joint related injuries.
- Improved energy and endurance for athletes.
- Improved bone remodelling.
- Elimination of bone spurs and calcification.
- Improved immune system function.
Sounds like a miracle cure to me. Apart from the third point which is stating the obvious! My vet has said that there is not enough research to make their study bullet proof but that the product was interesting.
My horses diagnosis.
After MRI (taken when I regretfully sold him to a young rider to event feeling I should get on the property ladder) my 17.2hh 9yo Warmblood (now back with mum who backed him and owned him from 8 months old) has shown low grade wear and tear changes to the cartilage within the right fore coffin joint, and also on the palmar surface of the navicular bone. ( Then he was 1-2/10 intermitently lame)
I have had him back since April 2011 slowly put his weight back on and have decided to go down the barefoot root, trimmed every 4 weeks to keep his feet in balance. Apart from his first day hacking on a gravel track when he was slightly foot sore he has not had a day lame. He is now back in medium work (schooling on bumpy field, I do not school on circles smaller than 10m following vets advise), jumping and hacking I am very tentitvly hoping one day to event with an all clear from the vet.
I really think the barefoot is having a huge effect also he now lives out and I have read that horses that are mobile 24 hours a day have a better chance of recovering from these sort of problems. He had at least 8 months off work at grass before being brought gradually back into work
I cant believe he has stayed sound so far but I really think should help him out just in case. What do you think try something new equi elements or try the best of the old Supplease Gold? When some are now saying the molecular structure of the key ingredients can not be absorbed anyway???
I guess I wont ever know if they work as he is not lame at the mo! Ideally I would like to feed both but cant afford to! They are making some pretty big claims on their website at Equi elements they must be pretty confident in this day and age of litigation???
I would welcome your thoughts?
Excellent post I have read every word thank you.
If I chose this type of product then I will buy this however I am interested in the Equi Elements product which claims it
- improves your horse's bone and joint health and strength.
- Your horse can race or compete with reduced risk of bone and joint related injuries.
- Equine athletes' careers can be extended when horses suffer less from bone and joint related injuries.
- Improved energy and endurance for athletes.
- Improved bone remodelling.
- Elimination of bone spurs and calcification.
- Improved immune system function.
Sounds like a miracle cure to me. Apart from the third point which is stating the obvious! My vet has said that there is not enough research to make their study bullet proof but that the product was interesting.
My horses diagnosis.
After MRI (taken when I regretfully sold him to a young rider to event feeling I should get on the property ladder) my 17.2hh 9yo Warmblood (now back with mum who backed him and owned him from 8 months old) has shown low grade wear and tear changes to the cartilage within the right fore coffin joint, and also on the palmar surface of the navicular bone. ( Then he was 1-2/10 intermitently lame)
I have had him back since April 2011 slowly put his weight back on and have decided to go down the barefoot root, trimmed every 4 weeks to keep his feet in balance. Apart from his first day hacking on a gravel track when he was slightly foot sore he has not had a day lame. He is now back in medium work (schooling on bumpy field, I do not school on circles smaller than 10m following vets advise), jumping and hacking I am very tentitvly hoping one day to event with an all clear from the vet.
I really think the barefoot is having a huge effect also he now lives out and I have read that horses that are mobile 24 hours a day have a better chance of recovering from these sort of problems. He had at least 8 months off work at grass before being brought gradually back into work
I cant believe he has stayed sound so far but I really think should help him out just in case. What do you think try something new equi elements or try the best of the old Supplease Gold? When some are now saying the molecular structure of the key ingredients can not be absorbed anyway???
I guess I wont ever know if they work as he is not lame at the mo! Ideally I would like to feed both but cant afford to! They are making some pretty big claims on their website at Equi elements they must be pretty confident in this day and age of litigation???
I would welcome your thoughts?
Excellent post I have read every word thank you.