Just because you own a box you are not a taxi!

If I was going their way, I wouldn't mind giving someone a lift. Or if I owed them, or they'd pay or something.

Though, people really do take the pee when it comes to lifts and stuff. I don't drive yet, but I'm dreading it! I don't drink, so I KNOW they'll ask me when they want a night out drinking and a lift home. Forget it!!
 
I generally dont share transport with people but I would if I was going to the same place. At my last yard we were the only ones going to the sort of things we did the only other person that would was just getting to know her new horse so wasnt up for partys yet. We used to share hired transport with a friend as well.

I share lifts to rc things with a friend as if we are both going the same way from the same village it seems silly to take 2 trailers and her horse travels better with a companion as he doesnt panic if he has a calm companion. But apart from that there are no other people where the pony is now :D.
 
I'm glad some of you lot don't live me round me then - I am really lucky that I end up with so many lifts to and from places and lots of lovely people are always offering them.
I'm 18, don't tow (insurance for towing vehicle would be atrocious never mind the price of it in the first place!) and I have unhorsey parents so I would be entirely stuck without people's kindness and unselfish attitudes.
I do own a trailer which I let people use to tow their horses with if they take me as well but as it is a pony trailer it is unfortunately not much use to many of my friends!
I also often hack to places but so many people have offered me lifts back at times often complete strangers and I am so grateful and think it is very kind of them and always offer them favours in return (admittedly not always petrol money as I am poor! but any amount of poo-picking and mucking out and they refuse the offers anyway).
I would be nowhere without all these lovely and only hope I can help other people out like they have helped me in the future....
 
BringoutheBest said:
I'm glad some of you lot don't live me round me then - I am really lucky that I end up with so many lifts to and from places and lots of lovely people are always offering them.
I'm 18, don't tow (insurance for towing vehicle would be atrocious never mind the price of it in the first place!) and I have unhorsey parents so I would be entirely stuck without people's kindness and unselfish attitudes.
I do own a trailer which I let people use to tow their horses with if they take me as well but as it is a pony trailer it is unfortunately not much use to many of my friends!
I also often hack to places but so many people have offered me lifts back at times often complete strangers and I am so grateful and think it is very kind of them and always offer them favours in return (admittedly not always petrol money as I am poor! but any amount of poo-picking and mucking out and they refuse the offers anyway).
I would be nowhere without all these lovely and only hope I can help other people out like they have helped me in the future....
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This is different though. you obviously are a nice person and dont ASSUME you have the right to a lift............................there fore by the laws of karma you will be offered one :D

Its those that use things and have no intentions of offering payment/help or just generally dont care if they break or damage things that are the issue. If I continually saw someone on a yard I was on hacking to events, I would ask them nicely if they wanted a lift - some folk do just like hacking to things. But, if someone came up and said to me " im going to x at the weekend any chance of a lift" I would have to have a think as they obviously had entered and not thought about how to get there and were just expecting a lift.
 
We always offer lifts to people if we're going to the same place, it saves diesel money for a start and although I'm not green or anything like that surely one is better for the environment then two.

The favour was returned to us when our horse got very ill and needed to be taken to the equine hospital, my mum was too upset to drive so our friends offered to give us a lift.
 
What are you allowed to do legally, not sure if it only applies to lorries, is it that you're not supposed to be paid to transport someone elses horse or something ?
 
EmmasMummy said:
This is different though. you obviously are a nice person and dont ASSUME you have the right to a lift............................there fore by the laws of karma you will be offered one :D

Its those that use things and have no intentions of offering payment/help or just generally dont care if they break or damage things that are the issue. If I continually saw someone on a yard I was on hacking to events, I would ask them nicely if they wanted a lift - some folk do just like hacking to things. But, if someone came up and said to me " im going to x at the weekend any chance of a lift" I would have to have a think as they obviously had entered and not thought about how to get there and were just expecting a lift.
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Fair enough, I see what you mean! I know if I had a bad traveller I would refuse the offer but every time my pony has a had a lift the driver has commented on how amazingly well he travels/loads/balances etc so at least I can keep damage risk to as little as possible! :)
 
This totally winds me up too!

I dont mind giving people who help me out a lift sometimes, but people who ring you out of the blue expecting you to drop everything annoys me.

Its ok them paying fuel - but what about the extra wear & tear on your car for pulling more or the wear on the trailer!!!?

I always used to give them over their fuel costs, and do extra things in return.
 
We hadn't had our brand new IW 510 trailer very long at all when I got a phone call..

In a nut-shell, so-and-so had given him our number and he 'had a transport problem' and his kid wanted to go to the show, and as he had heard I was going, could I take their pony?

I politely said I wasn't going, so no.

Get this, he actually said could I take them and leave them there WITH MY BRAND-NEW TRAILER and pick them up later...? (Yes, I'll leave my £3,400 trailer with a stranger, whose name I don't even know....)

I continued to politely decline.....but then OH got involved and yelled 'do what we did when we had a transport problem, buy a ******* trailer!'...

He never called again.

Still, you have to admire him for trying, I suppose... :p
 
I don't offer anymore I have had years of giving people lifts to shows and it always their horse that breaks something. I find that some people would stick their tack on my seats when there was perfectly good saddle racks, disappear with their horse when it was time to muck out box!!! On the other hand I took a friend out to dressage when I went and she paid the entries or diesal and always cleaned out box and treated it as her own.
 
Gosh, some of you poor people need new horsey friends! I can't imagine someone giving me a lift & not saying thank you, mucking out or paying half the diesel.

I've given lifts in the past and received them when my horsebox broke down 2 days before a show I'd prepaid for. In both circumstances the T&Cs were laid out in advance. I would run someone in needs horse to the vet (as been in that position also) however, I doubt I would take a day off work to do so. In that case they'd be hiring a transporter!

This made me laugh - the neck of some people!!!!!
Get this, he actually said could I take them and leave them there WITH MY BRAND-NEW TRAILER and pick them up later...? (Yes, I'll leave my £3,400 trailer with a stranger, whose name I don't even know....)
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I do like giving people lifts sometimes if I am going to the show anyway it reduces my costs (as although wear & tear on vehicle, it doesn't double my diesel to carry to but I will charge at least half!!) and gives me some company / assistance without having to drag OH or ponyless friends along with me! Sometimes I even get brought cheesy chips as a thank you :-)
 
i agree.

I feel cheeky asking people to take me places so use a transporter unless someone with a box/trailer offers (they have) BUT i will still offer to pay them the same as the transporter...!! just prefer going with a friend in their box but its still using their box/ware and tear etc....
 
Mine is insured for others to drive it, so occasionally I have given out the keys for emergencies - vet, etc ... I always felt nervous about it but felt like the right thing to do. Routinely, it's for me and my horses .... but I am always happy to take a small pony in my spare partition if I have one. I'll only travel ponies I know are good loaders, travellers and standers. Don't want anything agitated, also as it irritates my horse and makes him grumpy to be around stressed others.
 
I took some children at our yard to PC Camp and I was told that I could leave the lorry there for the week so that they could use it and didn't have unload all their stuff!! Politely said no, not covered by insurance :rolleyes:
 
mountainview22 said:
Skint, coincidence, that's what I am now!

I had new brake lines made up, got my fingers in A few pies and had a mate of a mate make them.

I'd recommend a trailer manufacturer/fitter do it for you. If you can change car drum brakes you can change trailer brakes.

I only restored it myself as I have dabbled in the motor trade (fitter), can weld and have a friend who's a carpenter.

I wish I'd just taken finance on a new ifor now mind lol.

I'm going to post pics of the whole restoration as soon as I'm finished.

If you can't get hold of cables drop me a pm and I'll see if I can get some made up and sent to you.
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I would have to find someone to do it for me, thought I had found a great guy but he didn't turn out to be so great in the end. I paid him to do a service for me, he said he could see that no one had serviced it in years (despite the fact that I had paid the farm mechanic every year since I had bought it and never had a problem with it-sadly he's been too busy to do private work this year)

Then he said the bearings were gone on one of the wheels, he replaced them, he advised me that tyres and brakes would need replacing soon but it was ok for the moment. So I used it, the brakes on one of the tyres (same wheel he'd replaced the bearings on)seized on, I tried a few things to unseize it but nothing worked so I phoned the guy.

He was immediately defensive but I tried hard to impress on him that I wasn't blaming him, I just wanted him to come look at it, he came out when I wasn't there, was rude to my daughter, said it wasn't roadworthy and he had told me that (which he hadn't or I wouldn't have driven it) and that it couldn't be fixed. So now I'm thinking it was all fine before he worked on it, I paid him £200 for his labour and now it's wrecked :(
 
I can't imagine expecting someone to give me lifts just because they had a box/ trailer! I've owned my mare for 10 years and can count on one hand the number of times we've been given lifts by friends rather than paying for a transporter! Once was going to a show - my mare was supposed to be sharing a friend's trailer with her horse, but her horse wouldn't load so my mare went on her own (everything was hitched up and ready to go and the show wasn't far away). Once was when a friend asked if I wanted to go with her on a day trip, but note that she offered and was going anyway. And once was an emergency hospital trip with my mare, which actually involved borrowing a trailer off a complete stranger and my friend towing it with her land rover. I'm fairly certain all insurance was null and void in that instance - we'd honestly never met the trailer owner before, but it was an emergency and we couldn't get a paid transporter at such short notice so my mum just went to a local equestrian centre and asked anyone she could find if she could borrow their trailer. Luckily a kind soul took pity on us! But obviously we tidied the trailer up for them and bought them some wine, flowers and choccies to say than you. I don't know how we'd have gotten the mare to horsepital without their kindness!
 
HashRouge said:
it was an emergency and we couldn't get a paid transporter at such short notice so my mum just went to a local equestrian centre and asked anyone she could find if she could borrow their trailer. Luckily a kind soul took pity on us! But obviously we tidied the trailer up for them and bought them some wine, flowers and choccies to say than you. I don't know how we'd have gotten the mare to horsepital without their kindness!
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I think in those circumstances few people would refuse. Its the entitled ungrateful mob that assume you will drop things/take them places, damage your transport, dont clean up after themselves and forget to offer any fuel money etc., that are the problem.
 
The problem alot of the time is that until you have actually owned and forked out for the cost of a lorry/trailer you cannot appreciate how much it actually all comes to so alot of people just think that giving you a little bit of diesel money is adequate...and it isn't!
There are so many costs to take into account and the diesel is barely half of it :rolleyes:
 
I cant believe people would actually expect you to take them somewhere. I cant afford my own transport but am very luckythat two of my fellow liveries and my YO have their own and if they are going somewhere they quite often ask if i want to go. I jump at the chance but i always make sure i muck out the trailer and make sure everything is ready etc. I have even had to force them to take money for the diesel on occaission but always pay my half. But they take me if they are going anyway, I would never dream of asking them to take me on my own no matter what the contribution to costs, i would hire transport properly if it was that important. I can understand possibly in a vet emergency but am sure they would offer anyway.
 
Gingerwitch said:
When I did not have transport I would phone up the local chap and PAY full wack to go to a show, go to a fun ride, go to the vets.

I am very lucky and was brought a horse box by hubby...... so why should I now be the one to be made to feel guilty if I won't give x a lift to the park, y a lift to the show I am going too - and why does everyone think I will take off half a day to take there wonderful neddie to the vets for a treatment or move there horse onto of off the yard.

Oh and god forbid you have dared to have a drink and cant run so and so to Liverpool.

Full to the back teeth of the lot of it and will never give anyone a lift ever again - especailly after this weeks advenutre - I am still delousing my box, the ramp is damaged, and I never even got a thank you or ought !
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I have borrowed people in the past to tow (and been incredibly grateful and bubbles were provided!)

I have also lent out trailer. We expect a reasonable contribution toward running cost and petrol etc and will charge a bit more if expected to prep ahead and clean after.

If anyone just expected it then they would be told where to go.

I did the same with driving people around (non horsey) for a long time. People were outraged when I asked for minor petrol costs on a few hour journey! Lesson learnt and offer is not there for general use!

For an emergency vet I would beg a lift from anyone and owe them greatly - I certainly wouldn't be annoyed if people couldn't though!

I think this applys to more than just the horse world though, sadly a lot of people seem to be out for themselves and think the world owes them. And the ones that aren't seem to be taken for a ride until they have enough.

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NOISYGIRL said:
What are you allowed to do legally, not sure if it only applies to lorries, is it that you're not supposed to be paid to transport someone elses horse or something ?
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You are allowed to give anybody a lift in a lorry or a trailer, & they can pay towards fuel without insurance being invalidated provided their contribution does not make the journey viable. For instance if you gave someone a lift & used £20 in fuel, but charged them £30 that would make the journey viable (ie you made a profit) & you would need an O licience & extra insurance. However if the person you gave the lift to only gave you £10 as their half of the fuel that would not make the journey viable & is therefore ok.

We wouldn't have done half the stuff we have if people hadn't been kind enough to help us out with transport in the early years. We now always try & help out when we can, but I agree with the OP that some people really do take the proverbial ! We always paid towards fuel, & mucked out the whole vehicle - not just 'our bit' as one person we gave a lift to did !
 
We were also lucky to have a really good friend for the first year when we only had the one horse who took us out to lots of local shows if she was going and had space on the box, xc schooling, fun rides etc. She does a lot for other people now but am not sure it is always appreciated.

We then bought a trailer on purchasing the 2nd horse ;) however I couldn't tow so for some things that mum didn't want to/couldn't come to (like area drsg further than she wanted to drive!) I was still reliant on friends lifts (but they all knew my lad was an excellent traveller + fuel+ entries paid for, muck out etc)
 
Now I am trailer-less I wish I could find one of these generous spirits to take my daughter and her horse out, we shall see!
 
In short I dont think you are insured to take other peoples horses I would check with your insurance company that if god forbid you had an accident who it liable if other than your horse was injured.
 
Becki1802 said:
I do like giving people lifts sometimes if I am going to the show anyway it reduces my costs (as although wear & tear on vehicle, it doesn't double my diesel to carry to but I will charge at least half!!) and gives me some company / assistance without having to drag OH or ponyless friends along with me! Sometimes I even get brought cheesy chips as a thank you :-)
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Yes indeed, I did have a couple of grateful souls, but when it got to be more hassle from the ungrateful ones, it's the day I decided I wasn't doing it anymore. At the yard I used to be on, I was loading the trailer for a show, and one of the people I used to take came round, asked me where I was going, so I told her. She then commented on the 'spare half of the trailer could take another horse'....to which I replied, '..but where the heck would I put all my gear, if I had another horse on board??'..

It was that point I became the 'wicked witch of the west'...because I was 'selfishly' going off to a show in my truck and my trailer.

I wouldn't turn down an emergency though, taking a horse to a vet NOW, that sort of thing.

My attitude in not taking others may seem selfish to some, but I have good reason to just take myself along to events these days. :D
 
I used to get lifts from a fellow livery when I first got my horse, but she stopped offering when my horse started beating hers!!

We bought our trailer after a year, and I loved the independance. I would happily take friends with us places, and often took it in turns with one friend.

We used to pick my friend's son up on the way to pony club, then we loaned out old pony to someone, and used to used to go all the way to PC and then come back for her. We barely got so much as a thank you, but thats how they were in general really. In the end we gave them notice on the loan, and they stopped talking to us as we had let them down and weren't nice!

Now we have two horses, and so the trailer is usually full - one will only travel well with the other horse in anyway! I would happily take people if its an emergency.

I have lent the trailer out to friends a couple of times, but they were mad drivers, and I worried about it all day!!

I think the "neither a lender or a borrower be" quote is truer than ever!
 
I used to be willing to take people with me if I had room but a number of incidents put me off. I had just got my beautiful new lorry, it was my pride and joy, I agreed to take a pony who I was assured was a good traveller who proceeded to wreck the back gates on my lorry before we had got out of the yard! I later learnt the pony was in fact a terrible traveller with "history" of box wrecking - they thought it would learn to travel well with me as I was known as a very careful driver. They never offered to pay for the repairs to the lorry. I then found myself in the situation where we were eventing and taking a 2nd horse who inevitably had totally different times meaning my horse was out from dawn til dusk without so much as a thank you. I would groom for her, she would disappear when we needed help.

I have just got a new (old) lorry and immediately people are asking to come with us, I have carefully positioned the partitions to give me plenty of storage and tack space at the front, my one horse the room she needs, leaving the back space on the lorry too small for anything other than a small pony - I have already had one point out I could moved the partitions forward, reducing the storage space at the front which would give room for her horse.......
 
I agree!

Fortunately I've not had as much hassle as you!

I did make the mistake of transporting a couple of new ponies that were coming for livery but then it seemed to be expected that I'd do it again.

I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and was probably considered the villan when another livery had to pay for transport to the vets but it's not my problem - I had to scrimp and save to buy my trailer so I decided who gets to use it.

That said, I have just started taking a friend out with me but that's mainly because we're entering the same classes etc anyway and it's quite good to have some company. I'd continue to do this would be reluctant to hang around for someone else if there were doing different classes - not worth the hassle!
 
I can't believe the attitudes of some horse owners when they are graciously offered lifts to places!!

I don't have my own trailer/4x4 or box and probably never will as I don't drive and can't afford to own such vehicles even if I did, but I am SO GRATEFUL when people offer to take me places. My wonderful yard owner generously brought me to the last show and I even offered to pay for the entire tank of diesel (I had the full money with me) but he only took £7.50 from me!! I always muck out the trailers unasked too. If my horse broke something, I wouldn't hesitate to pay to get it fixed.

If it wasn't for generous trailer/box owners, then I'd have this great horse and expensive side saddle for hacking only!!


I can't believe how ungrateful some people are.
 
I will no longer give lifts to people who ask/ assume I will move them.

I will always drop everything (even in the middle of the night) to take horses to vets.

But arranged trips are no longer a go go.

(I moved one ladies horse to a new yard without so much as an offer of petrol money, which I would have declined, or a little token thank you gift, which would have been well appreciated. I lost 2 hours of my day, the inside of my car roof is now covered in mud (having put tools/ wheel barrow etc in my car) and the inside of my trailer (its very old and Dad had recently lined it with metal sheeting to re-inforce it) is now irrepairable dented. Will not do it again!!).

However, if I fancy having a burger eating day I would offer to take someone else and their horse to show but it would be on my terms.

Don't I have awful double standards!!!

(due to being on medication for brain blood vessel issues I can't drink so everyone knows they could call me in the middle of the night for vet issues)
 
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