Just been told not to walk on some tits land......

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lexiedhb said:
He will not be muzzled- he does not need it- if I thought he did I would- but I am not muzzling my dog because You are scared. If I was scared of a dog I saw I would walk the other way, or cross the road, or avoid..... as it would be MY problem I was scared, not the dogs (when the dog has done nothing wrong!).
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You attitude explains completely why you had trouble with this man. The dog may not "need" a muzzle, but if people are genuinely scared of him then YOU need him to have a muzzle on, so that other people do not give you the grief that you feel you experienced in the wood.

The dog has done nothing wrong and it is not his fault that he is bred to look like the kind of dog that drug dealers in Moss Side use to protect themselves. But he DOES look that way, especially with two harnesses on, and it is not the fault of people who are not big-strong-dog people if they find that scaring, particularly as he is, by your own description, liable to get overexcited.

It matters not one jot that YOU know that you can control him. Other people in a public place are afraid that you cannot, and for the meanwhile, until he is calmer in public, you would be doing your civic duty if you muzzled him while he is out on a walk with you.

If you don't, please don't be surprised if you have a visit from the Police because people are accusing you of having a dangerous dog, because from what you have written here it will be only your own fault. One person has warned you that he feels threatened by your dog. Men often don't like to admit weakness, and this man's "aggression" towards you was quite possibly a cover for the fact that he felt a bit of a prat to be worried by your dog. I think you need to get off your high horse and listen and do whatever is necessary to stop any more people feeling the same way.
 
cptrayes - You are turning this into a dangerous dog/control issue when neither is the case here as Lexie has stressed many times.

The issue is public rights of way - not how some man may or may not have felt threatened by her dog.

I also have a Ridgeback cross and it's attitudes like yours that are dangerous - not the dogs themselves.

So, as Lexie is researching whether she is legally entitled to be in that part of the owned wood, the fact that YOU think her dog should be muzzled is irrelevent.
 
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Me get off my high horse? really?

As Molli has just said this was not about about the breed of dog I have, YOUR opinion of said dog, either dogs behaviour, but about rights of way- so please stick to the topic, if of course you have anything constructive to say.

At least I have learnt something from all this- and that is NEVER to post an issue on this forum again as those who have nowt constructive to say, and turn threads into what they "think" they have read, whilst actually being offensive with it, ruin any decent advise that is being given....... which is a shame.
 
You have rejected my constructive advice to muzzle your dog in public until he is calmer. What harm will it do him? It is purely a point of principle that you refuse to do so.

It is irrelevant whether you were on a footpath or not.

You have no right to walk a dog that other people feel threatened by on an open street, footpath or anyone else's land. People have to feel safe with your dog or they will report him.

You will have no-one to blame but yourself if you find yourself being harassed by Police following up complaints from locals in your area.

Lexie your definition of "decent" advice seems to be "advice that I like". So I agree with you that you should not post on an open forum if you only want to hear people agree with you. You really do need to look at your own attitude here - was it necessary to describe the man as a "tit"?

I'm sorry Mollichop but you are completely writing off the possibility that the man was genuinely afraid. This IS about fear of a dog being dangerous, whether it is actually dangerous or not. And how can my own attitude, that dogs can scare people even if the owner knows they are safe, possibly be "dangerous"?
 
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Devonshire dumpling said:
Poor you Lexie as usual the thread goes off on a tangent with opinionated people! Your dog sounds a gem, let us know how you get on xx
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Thats the trouble with forums, people have opinions. You post a ?/observation and people give their opinion, trouble is they're not always the ones you want to hear!!
 
For goodness sake. Lexie don't concern yourself about muzzling him. There are perfectly reasons not to:

1. He doesn't need one:rolleyes: It would be like putting a gag bit onto a tiny little plodder that had never misbehaved in its life, because you thought it looked prettier.
2. People (those that can tell the difference between a muzzle and a headcollar - see below) will react to him differently, thus setting his socialisation back, for the sake of appearance rather than utility.
3. Most numpties that would demand a safe dog be muzzled wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a headcollar and a muzzle anyway so they probably think he is already muzzled;)

The police have far better things to do than pander to people's neuroses, frankly, so don't concern yourself about the forum hysterics either.

BTW, my dog barks at other dogs when he's on the leash and the other dog has a go - should I muzzle him, or just take him out back and shoot him now...?:rolleyes:
 
cptrayes said:
You have rejected my constructive advice to muzzle your dog in public until he is calmer. What harm will it do him? It is purely a point of principle that you refuse to do so.

It is irrelevant whether you were on a footpath or not.

You have no right to walk a dog that other people feel threatened by on an open street, footpath or anyone else's land. People have to feel safe with your dog or they will report him.

You will have no-one to blame but yourself if you find yourself being harassed by Police following up complaints from locals in your area.

Lexie your definition of "decent" advice seems to be "advice that I like". So I agree with you that you should not post on an open forum if you only want to hear people agree with you. You really do need to look at your own attitude here - was it necessary to describe the man as a "tit"? And how can my own attitude, that dogs can scare people even if the owner knows they are safe, possibly be "dangerous"?

I'm sorry Mollichop but you are completely writing off the possibility that the man was genuinely afraid. This IS about fear of a dog being dangerous, whether it is actually dangerous or not.
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My original QUESTION was regards to whether YOU would still carry on walking there so how is being on/off a foot path irrelevant? it is what the blumming thread is about!!!- nothing more nothing less- so DECENT advise to me would be, yes but after finding out who owns the land and maybe taking him a cake- not "you own a fighting dog get it muzzled in public" as as you can see this does not answer the question, therefore is not decent advice. Also YOUR attitude to Ridgeback's is TOTALLY irrelevant.

I have not taken ANY offence to those saying "he is right, get off his blumming land" as can TOTALLY see where they are coming from- if in fact it is not a footpath- I have no right to be there.

I was upset/hurt and angry with the way he had spoken to me so yes in my eyes is a "tit" whether in the right or not......
 
You are posting on an open forum, a thread can go in whatever direction anyone wants to take it.

If the path is a footpath you still do not have a right to walk a dog on it if other people feel threatened by it. So my constructive advice to you would be to stay off footpaths or anywhere anyone can feel threatened by your dog until it is calmer. And if you can't get him calmer without taking him out in public for experience, to muzzle him when you do.

You have rehomed a dog which by your own description resembles a ginger oversized Staffordshire Bull Terrier. You'd better get used to people reacting as if he can be aggressive, even if he's not. That kind of dog is not chosen by drug barons in Moss Side for nothing, it is because their very appearance suggests the availability of aggression.

People who do not know dogs, people who know them and dislike them, and people who like only playful poodles and spaniels are always going to be afraid of your dog.
 
cptrayes said:
You have rejected my constructive advice to muzzle your dog in public until he is calmer. What harm will it do him? It is purely a point of principle that you refuse to do so.

It is irrelevant whether you were on a footpath or not.

You have no right to walk a dog that other people feel threatened by on an open street, footpath or anyone else's land. People have to feel safe with your dog or they will report him.

You will have no-one to blame but yourself if you find yourself being harassed by Police following up complaints from locals in your area.

Lexie your definition of "decent" advice seems to be "advice that I like". So I agree with you that you should not post on an open forum if you only want to hear people agree with you. You really do need to look at your own attitude here - was it necessary to describe the man as a "tit"?

I'm sorry Mollichop but you are completely writing off the possibility that the man was genuinely afraid. This IS about fear of a dog being dangerous, whether it is actually dangerous or not. And how can my own attitude, that dogs can scare people even if the owner knows they are safe, possibly be "dangerous"?
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No CpTrayes you are wrong there. Just because the dog may initmidate some people is no reason to have to muzzle a dog, simply because of its appearance. If anything i would say that bull breeds should maybe be muzzled as a bite from their jaws is completely different from that of a much weaker dogs jaws.

Saying that, i was bitten by a ''lovely'' golden retriever when i was eight, does that mean every retriever owner shoul muzzle their dog as i may be intimidated by it? No not at all. If OP hadnt even mentioned her dogs breed we would be having this conversation.
 
Tell me, CPTrayes, why is it that every thread I ever see you post on seems to go in the direction of a blazing row? Is that always the direction you wish to take them in?:rolleyes:
 
cptrayes said:
You are posting on an open forum, a thread can go in whatever direction anyone wants to take it.

If the path is a footpath you still do not have a right to walk a dog on it if other people feel threatened by it. So my constructive advice to you would be to stay off footpaths or anywhere anyone can feel threatened by your dog until it is calmer. And if you can't get him calmer without taking him out in public for experience, to muzzle him when you do.

You have rehomed a dog which by your own description resembles a ginger oversized Staffordshire Bull Terrier. You'd better get used to people reacting as if he can be aggressive, even if he's not. That kind of dog is not chosen by drug barons in Moss Side for nothing, it is because their very appearance suggests the availability of aggression.

People who do not know dogs, people who know them and dislike them, and people who like only playful poodles and spaniels are always going to be afraid of your dog.
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Ohhhhh you just changed that post --- was wondering what your theories are regarding my choice of dog .

if you must know he was the one who had been in kennels the longest and was most needing of a home- nothing more nothing less

The insinuation that all ridgebacks are aggressive and all poodles/spaniels are playful is also just daft.....

Oh and I did not mention his breed in the OP- someone trawled back through my previous posts!
 
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Thought I would have my two pence worth whilst trying not to offend anyone!! ;) Firstly, I have a 2 yr, 3 mth old ridgeback. She is the most submissive, non agressive dog I have ever owned, I also have a jack russell which I am far less trusting of with other dogs. I have previously had labradors and spaniels. My ridgeback has been attacked by two collies which sent her running for her life onto a road, a German Shepard where she just lay down and took it crying and was trying to get back to me to protect her and two fox coloured labradors which live over the road which are very agressive and a mastif type dog which came running out of the open door of a house and attacked her. So far I have escaped vets bills and it hasn't turned her into an agressive dog although she will start to bark if dogs come running towards her unexpectantly. My father in law has spaniels which growl at you and my sister in law has been bitten by one of them. So please don't judge ridgebacks, all breeds of dog can be aggressive depending on their breeding/the way they have been treated or raised.

Secondly, my family own some land with some woodland adjoining it. There are no public footpaths through the land. We put up private land signs, which get ripped down unless we put them 20ft up on the trees. People seem to think they have the right to just walk through our woods and across our land as if it were a public park. The issues we have had are rubbish being left behind where kids come and camp and leave all their beer cans and bbqs behind. Dog poo and lots of it! Left in the middle of the tracks, I have no children yet but i have lots of nieces and nephews who play in the woods and we have horses and ride in them regularly and its not pleasant. My father was bitten by a dog which went for him while he was working in the woods and my dogs have been attacked by other peoples while I have been walking in our woods! Horses have been frightened by people trekking through their fields with mountain bikes!? Is it any wonder we put signs up saying private property, no unauthorised access?

I am not having a go at the OP as she had her dog on a lead and sounds as if she was in control and if the footpath signs are not clear then it would be understandable if she had wandered off the footpath. The polite thing that the landowner could have explained was that she had left the public footpath and was now on his private land and please not to come this way in future. If people come and ask us if they can walk in the woods then generally we say yes but we ask them to pick up their dog mess and ensure their dogs are strictly under control and kept on leads if necessary and then we know who they are.

If more people judges less and perhaps had more respect for other peoples property maybe their would be less disputes and the world would be a better place! :)
 
Right, so because some wazzocks like a certain type of dogs because it makes them look hard, no one else should own that type of dog, ever?
There are standard poodles training for protection work in the UK by the way :)
And some mini poodles can be snappy little shites.

Some people are scared and wary of horses, with little or no base, a horse can kill you with one kick, does that mean that riders have no right to hack on the open road?

I do love the 'I can't understand why anyone would want to own that sort of dog' train of thought.
I can't understand why anyone would want to own a cat :o :p but hey, people do, I have to respect their wishes.
 
CaveCanem said:
Right, so because some wazzocks like a certain type of dogs because it makes them look hard, no one else should own that type of dog, ever?
There are standard poodles training for protection work in the UK by the way :)
And some mini poodles can be snappy little shites.

Some people are scared and wary of horses, with little or no base, a horse can kill you with one kick, does that mean that riders have no right to hack on the open road?

I do love the 'I can't understand why anyone would want to own that sort of dog' train of thought.
I can't understand why anyone would want to own a cat :o :p but hey, people do, I have to respect their wishes.
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Ive met AOT of breeds of dogs, never met a nice poodle! wouldnt want to be left in a room with either standard or mini. MUZZLE THEM ALL :)
 
ThePinkPony said:
Ive met AOT of breeds of dogs, never met a nice poodle! wouldnt want to be left in a room with either standard or mini. MUZZLE THEM ALL :)
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Oh no, we have a very cool little poodle that comes to training sometimes. Now the owners (with the exception of this lady)...;) that's another story - muzzle THEM!:D

I have a morbid terror of shetland ponies, so the next time I see one out on a lead rein hack I will be sure to verbally abuse the person leading and demand the pony only be taken out hobbled.:mad: I should be able to walk with fear of having my knees bitten by the horrid little furballs:mad:

Also, I hear that coloured cobs are very much favoured by some people that some other people like to stereotype as thieves (:rolleyes:), so next time I see anyone riding one I will be forced to drag them from the saddle and make a citizens' arrest - they're bound to have done something, after all:p
 
cptrayes said:
You have no right to walk a dog that other people feel threatened by on an open street, footpath or anyone else's land. People have to feel safe with your dog or they will report him.
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Yay, does this mean I can get all of the people around here that walk their little rats on leads that bark and strain at their lead at me to muzzle them as genuinely I feel threatened by them?

Probably not as people's prejudice does not apply to them.

OP - back to the point - if it is his land and he has asked you to stay off it then you should however I would be questioning if the land was his. The local pub is probably a fountain of knowledge as to who owns the land.

Also keep working with the pooch and hopefully he will get less dog reactive as time goes on.

A x
 
I've tried to keep out of this as I can see things from both sides, but this is getting a bit silly now. People have been scared of my breed for all the time I have had them, unfortunately they had the bad publicity that anything vaguely staffy looking seems to get now. I have never muzzled them, and do not keep them away from busy areas, in contrast I have always made a point of taking them in such places, and if people are scared of them I will do my level best to persuade them to meet my dogs and realise they are not going to eat them. You would be amazing how many people soon come round, have you ever met examples of the types of dog you seemed to be afraid of cpt, it might make you think differently. Fair enough if a dog is behaving in a dangerous way report it, but not because you don't feel safe just because of the way it looks.
Re the footpath situation, I am sure if it is a public right of way no one can dictate what dogs are walked there, and certainly they can't on an open street. There is a public footpath runs through the field I rent, I have asked people to put their dogs on lead if they are running around the field as I worry that they will chase the horses, but other than that I don't bother if people stray off the path a bit. However if they came right across the field and onto my land then I would ask them not to do it again, regardless of what dog they had.
 
I cant believe how nasty this thread has got, Lexie dont muzzle your dog, YOU dont have a problem.
Walking DieselDobe) up the road last week practising our heeling and met a man on his own no dog walking towards me. The minute he spots Diesel he heads for a field gate climbed over and stood and watched us pass, I said good afternoon and he mumbled something. I went up to the corner and turned round and headed for home man just ahead of us he turned round spotted us and broke into a trot. Diesel was beginning to get suspicious at this stage and I had a job to keep him to heel and was starting to grow tall, at this point we got to the bottom of our drive and we went up. Now this man was probabley scared of my dog so should I muzzle him in future. Not a chance Diesel was under control at all times and was just exhibiting normal suspicious behaviour.
 
I am not afraid of any particular type of dog. This is not about ME. This is about a man in a wood, whether it was his own wood or not, who has told the poster that he was afraid of the dog.

The OP felt the man was aggressive and yet almost no-one seemed prepared to consider that this man was genuinely afraid of her dog.

And if he was, so will other people be. It matters not one jot whether this fear is justified or not. A stranger has no way of knowing that the dog is safe. Their first reaction is likely to be that if the dog needs two harnesses, then it's not safe.

And if the OP gets arsey with anyone who dares criticise her dog, as it she seems likely, from calling him a "tit" on here, that she did with the man in the wood, then she's going to be very unpopular in her neighbourhood and she can expect people to complain about her dog.

People are prejudiced about that kind of dog. It isn't fair. It isn't justified. But it's life and the OP is going to have to learn to live with it because that's the type of dog she's rehomed.

Perhaps this dog just isn't ready yet for the big wide world and needs introducing to life at dog training classes? Maybe he is already getting those, I don't know.
 
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I did not get arsey with the man in the wood- as you can see from the conversation written. I was on the brink of tears (also as written in the OP) - quite hard to be seriously arsey with somone when upset.

If people critisise my dog who is on a lead at all times, for no reason then I feel I actually have a right to get arsey, but as you can see from my original OP I did not- I got upset.

Dog training classes you say? why didnt I think of that? :rolleyes: We go religiously every week....... (once again you edit your post)

If you think I am keeping a high energy dog inside and only attending training class then ummm you must be mad- he would go stir crazy- as would pretty much any dog, and do him absolutely NO good at all. :confused:
 
I think your thread is flawed because you are making assumptions about how someone else was feeling. How do you know what someone else is feeling. You cant logic a feeling.Lexie assumed rightly or wrongly the man was scared of her dog now you are doing the same.

My previous post was to illustrate how someone was scared of my dog and that is the reason why he climbed the gate. Interestingly it was our field with no public footpath which he climbed into if I wanted to be bloody minded I could have said get off my land.:D
 
As I tell EVERY ONE of the buyers of my bull terriers.."YOU know your dog is sweet..THEY don`t..it is YOUR responsibility TO YOUR DOG to never cause fright to anyone".A dog today only has to cause fright,not seriously injure,it is unfair,but that is how it is.
Now,if I saw a couple of bull terriers/staffies /pits galloping toward me mouths open a grinning with smiley eyes..no would`nt worry at all.BUT if it were two Rotties ,then me personally would ..errrr..need the toilet! NEVER put your dog in a situation where it might cause fear,it can so easily end up in court and even a destruction order. Possibly with all the gear you had on your lovely looking dog I might have been wary too. A simple thin check chain should be sufficent.
Keep to the OS paths Lexie ..and Smile next time:)
 
'Because, SusieT, good manners and basic courtesy cost nothing and make the world a nicer place to live in..'
And when they fail because people keep walking on your land? Or insist they have a right to because they want to? It works two ways... If someone is being arsey with me because they want to walk/hunt/whatever on my land without permission and without my say so (no ROW) then I am not going to be polite and forgiving am I now. Obviously without being ther eit's impossible to say how both parties reacted..We only have one side.
 
lexiedhb said:
I did not get arsey with the man in the wood- as you can see from the conversation written.
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Good. I apologise for thinking that because you were prepared to call him a "tit" on here that you had radiated similar insult in body language, if not words, when you met him.

On the other hand, from the conversation as written, and not being able to hear the tone of voice, I read the words of a man who is frightened by your dog and frustrated by your refusal to accept that he is frightened by your dog.

Both you and he are anonymous and I have no idea which one of you is in the wrong, if indeed either of you were.

lexiedhb said:
If you think I am keeping a high energy dog inside and only attending training class then ummm you must be mad- he would go stir crazy- as would pretty much any dog, and do him absolutely NO good at all. :confused:
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No, but I do think you are crazy if you have rehomed a big and high energy dog without having a large garden. I don't think a young and boisterous dog of his breeding should be inside a house much during daylight at all, but that's just my opinion.
 
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No, but I do think you are crazy if you have rehomed a big and high energy dog without having a large garden. I don't think a young and boisterous dog of his breeding should be inside a house much during daylight at all, but that's just my opinion.
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Where is there any indication that the dog is unhappy? You have no justification for passing comment on the dog when you haven't seen either him or the manner in which the OP handles him.

You are taking your canine predjudice out on the OP to try and save an argument which you lost several pages back.

Yup, the OP was wrong to be on private land, and she has conceded that point. However her breed of dog (which you must have trawled for) is not relevant. The dog was under control, and not attacking.

To suggest she shouldn't have him on a purely assumptive basis when she has obviously given him a life that he would likely not have had is bang out of order.
 
I am entitled to the opinion that a Staffie Ridgeback cross needs a garden. That is my opinion whether the dog is unhappy or not. I think ALL dogs except perhaps handbag dogs need a garden.

I have no canine prejudices but I understand now that there is a dog group on the dog forum that is just like the fox hunting people on the hunting forum who will not hear a word said against a dog or its owner.

The dog may have been under control, but she was told by a man that he was frightened. The two are not mutually exclusive. They are probably both true.
 
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I am entitled to the opinion that a Staffie Ridgeback cross needs a garden. That is my opinion whether the dog is unhappy or not. I think ALL dogs except perhaps handbag dogs need a garden.

I have no canine prejudices but I understand now that there is a dog group on the dog forum that is just like the fox hunting people on the hunting forum who will not hear a word said against a dog or its owner.

The dog may have been under control, but she was told by a man that he was frightened. The two are not mutually exclusive. They are probably both true.
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He's a rescue. OP seems to be responsibly giving him a good life. You are wrong to knock her for that.
You are also wrong to suggest that because people disagree with you there is some unspoken compliance amongst them. The problem is your determination to win the verbal argument no matter what tangents you shoot off at to discredit the OP.

Your last statement is utter nonsense. I have a sweetheart of a Doberman, but he's a big lad and weighs 48 kilos. He scares the bejasus out of people that don't know him. That does not mean he's out of control.
 
Oh for godness sake of course he has a garden (a majority or rescues would not rehome a dog to someone without one!)- a fairly sizeable one at that, but IMO garden exercise is simply not enough for him or any reasonable sized dog.

So you can read scared? I have no idea if he was or not- I know if I were scared of a dog I would not walk straight past it on a path no more that 2ft wide.... maybe that is just me- but you can not read that I was not arsey? how does that work?

Dog group? well erm yes it is caledl AAD, but being relatively new to this part of the forum I can assure you that these folk are just giving their opinions as they see it- which are probably more relavent as they actually own a dog or 5, (I am assuming you do not CPT- do excuse me if Im wrong).
 
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