Just been told not to walk on some tits land......

[Serenity087]

Lexie, keep going back, I keep getting chucked off my local bridlepaths on Dorey by people who seem unable to put two and two together and reach four.

The rest of my yard have been based here for years yet I'm the only one who gets drama. It's probably cos Dorey is so much bigger, people feel intimadated and scared by her (probably had their dogs throats ripped out by a large horse once... )

Chances are if you see him again, he won't even remember you!

(P.S. - this isn't about tresspassing, why on earth would an urban woodland be used for pheasants, it's illegal, and the blokey said it was pretty much Lexie's dog who was banned, no one else! So all the garden comments are irrelevant. If you came down shouting at me for walking up your garden path to post you a letter then you'd still be a tit. I'm entitled to be on your garden path as much as Lexie is to be on this man's woodland footpath!
If it even is his!)

 

[CAYLA]

For gods sake, what on earth has the size of a garden got to do with a dog? a garden is not an exercise area! its a secure place for emergency toilet breaks and somewhere to go lie down if need be........some people have no garden! instead they walk they legs of their dogs, which is what we need to do with our dogs, unless we have land to walk them on.
Frightened or not, the bloke sounds like an idiot, he may have been scared! Im scared of some odd looking men, does not mean I can shout and ball at them to get out of my way and never come near me again. I will simply walk swiftly past them and ignore.
He would have shat a brick had he seen me and my pack and my rotti and akita who are never on a lead, I don't really care who is scared of them, they wont bother people or approach, or another dog for that matter, neither could Dex, he was on a lead!
I think his spaniel was off and out of control and bloke shat himself when he saw another dog incase it bit his badly behaved spaniel for running up to lexi and dex. If its not his land, keep going and next time take your OH, he may shut half his gob then.
I agree with EK re check chain

 

[cptrayes]

If you think I am keeping a high energy dog inside and only attending training class then ummm you must be mad- he would go stir crazy

Oh for godness sake of course he has a garden

I raised the question of the garden because Lexie seemed to me with the first quote to be saying that if she did not walk the dog then he would be permanently "inside". She corrected this impression.

I have no idea if he was or not- I know if I were scared of a dog I would not walk straight past it on a path no more that 2ft wide....

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Allow me to give you two translations:

" I am afraid of your dog but I have two women watching me and I am not going to wimp out in front of them and turn back or thread my way through the trees to avoid you"

"I am afraid of your dog but I am bravely and foolishly going to walk right close to him in the hope that he will actually attempt to bite me and I can have something serious to go to the authorities to complain about."




I am getting the impression that some of you know each other and are forgetting that this forum is also read by strangers who can easily put a different interpretation on what has been written, much of which seems to me to be pretty aggressively anti anyone who is actually scared of big dogs.

 

[Gladioli]

I am getting the impression that some of you know each other and are forgetting that this forum is also read by strangers who can easily put a different interpretation on what has been written, much of which seems to me to be pretty aggressively anti anyone who is actually scared of big dogs.

Complete tripe, I am scared of big dogs, even though I used to own a GSD, I have never met anyone on her personally however I have never found them agressive. It is a public forum and you are entitled to your opinion however has it occured to you that maybe just maybe your own prejudices colour what you read about big dogs?

The OP asked about going back on the land not about whether or not anyone considered her dog a danger.

Just out of interest Do you own dogs? or work with them? Are you scared of them?

 

[Maesfen]

.....this forum is also read by strangers who can easily put a different interpretation on what has been written, much of which seems to me to be pretty aggressively anti anyone who is actually scared of big dogs.

I'd go along with that too.

We have a large lurcher, wolfhound x; he's wonderful and the softest thing on four legs but you'd be surprised how many are scared/worried about him (until they know him) purely because of his size and many of those people are decent dog owning people themselves; think how non-doggie people would feel.
Large dogs can intimidate people, that's a fact even if they are other dog owners but that's no reason to act aggressively towards those people even just with the written word. That attitude could make them go the other way entirely and make them completely anti-dog or anti dog people so please just think of the bigger picture before you go in guns blazing and 'attacking' people because they don't think of or like big dogs as you do.

 

[lexiedhb]

Im sorry but no matter what planet you are from NO ONE in their right mind would think this EVER
"I am afraid of your dog but I am bravely and foolishly going to walk right close to him in the hope that he will actually attempt to bite me and I can have something serious to go to the authorities to complain about."

NO ONE wants to get bitten ever

 

[Archangel]

Im sorry but no matter what planet you are from NO ONE in their right mind would think this EVER
"I am afraid of your dog but I am bravely and foolishly going to walk right close to him in the hope that he will actually attempt to bite me and I can have something serious to go to the authorities to complain about."

NO ONE wants to get bitten ever

Actually oddly, some blokes do have this attitude. I don't think they want to get bitten but they see backing down as wimpish.

Not to do with dogs but I had a massive bull in my field for years, we got along famously but every bloke without exception felt they had to walk as close to the damm bull as some sort of stupid bravado thing.

My OH was the worst offender. I told him time and time again that he was playing a dangerous game. It all came to a head when the bull noticed OH away from me in the open and suddenly the whole herd were round him with no possibility of out running them. Had I not been there to run over and distract them, think OH might have been killed. Stupid man, but couldn't stop himself taking on the bull - will never do it again though

 

[Dobiegirl]

I do not know or have not met anyone on this forum perhaps the fact that we are all singing from the same hymn sheet is because we all own & know how to deal with big dogs.We cannot help the publics perception of big dogs but I would have thought on a dog forum there would not be this prejudice.

As I said before we dont know how the man felt so second guessing isnt useful. Men are from Mars blah blah is so outdated and is laughed at by counsellors & pyscotherapists in regard to personal growth and is just American pysco babble.

 

[lexiedhb]

Just to add- I have never met anyone off here either......

 

[Changes]

I raised the question of the garden because Lexie seemed to me with the first quote to be saying that if she did not walk the dog then he would be permanently "inside". She corrected this impression.

She didn't 'correct' anything - you misread a post and made huge incorrect assumptions from it.

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Allow me to give you two translations:

Really - put the shovel down. You were NOT there, you can't hypothesise by using the OP's story selectively.

I am getting the impression that some of you know each other and are forgetting that this forum is also read by strangers who can easily put a different interpretation on what has been written, much of which seems to me to be pretty aggressively anti anyone who is actually scared of big dogs.

I have never met a single person on this section of the forum. You're being disagreed with because you are talking nonsense, not due to some hidden conspiracy.

 

[EAST KENT]

Actually,going back to the OP, she is on someone`s land ,if not on an OS numbered footpath ,be sure of that fact,she was in the wrong. Calling a landowner "a tit" does`nt exactly give the impression of a responsible dog owner to me.
Just because CPT sees this fact,and finds a big dog kitted up in multiple control gear intimidating does`nt make her anything but ,IMO, quite right.
Dog owners should first and foremost consider other people who may well not be dog orientated at all. Every bad impression left in someone`s mind about your dog/breed is the one that will be remembered and talked about. For instance ,there are nice bull terriers out there doing PAT dog work..but I`ll bet the bull terrier you will call to mind first is that idiot`s one attached to a cow`s throat? Right?? Thought so.

 

[lexiedhb]

Oh for godness sake- I did not call the man a tit to his face, I was not arsey as stated numerous times I was UPSET. Upset that he had based his prejudice on looks alone. I have also said he has every right to ask me not to be there- except on the footpath bit!

How does calling someone a tit, on a forum, whilst in an upset/confused/angry state = irresponsible dog owner? I take it you have never called anyone anything in your life ever? or that would make YOU an irresponsible owner right? Sheeeesh

Kitted up to the nines? A halti and a purple fleecey harness? Which I have been advised to use by two separate trainers? Harness for just general, and halti for when I need him to focus on me but he's off looking at something else?

Just because someone does not do it your way = choke chain + several years experience of Bull breeds, does not make them categorically wrong

 

[shadowboy]

Its not get off mylanditis- when we had land we saved sooooo hard to buy it and maintain it - it really annoyed me that others thought they could use it as their own despite the fact i'd had to sell horses and my treasured historic vehicle to get it. We found a lady training her spaniels on it once and asked her to leave - she was shocked and couldnt understnad why when there was no livestock there- we informed her it had just been fertilised and we were waiting for rain so the white fertiliser balls were on the surface (if you looked closely) and were unsafe for the dogs untill washed into the grass. Plus it was our land- land that we had worked damned hard for...

Re working out the footpath you need to go to your local council offices as they will have the most up to date definitive map

 

[Luci07]

The dog's breeding on both sides, Staffie and Ridgeback is renowned for aggression. Some staffies are bred around here to fight and a poster on this forum last year posted how the family ridgeback had just been put down because it bit a child who was play fighting with "its" little girl. The ridgeback that attacked my horse was being walked by a female neighbour of mine and she could not hold it, it pulled the lead out of her hands and went for my horse's throat.

The owner of the land is not to know how gentle or otherwise the dog is, (bearing in mind also that the OP has posted for advice how to stop it biting her). All he sees is an overexcited dog which is of breeding he considers is likely to be aggressive. Why should he not be genuinely afraid?

Is no-one on this thread prepared to believe that the man did actually feel threatened by this dog? A big ginger ridgeback/staffie cross, admittedly in an over-excited state? It would have scared me.

OP I think you may need to muzzle the dog in public just to make people feel safer, whether the dog actually needs the muzzle or not.

My turn to jump in. Please keep your idiotic prejudice to yourself. I can not discuss Ridgebacks as have no experience in them but do NOT state such utter crap as "Staffies are known for aggression". Did you know they were actually known as the "nanny" breed by the kennel club due to their incredible love of people? The breed has been largely hi jacked by a revolting form of human but lets be clear - ANY dog brought into THOSE circumstances would have issues. People like you really do not help with those trying to improve the breed image and HELP the massive numbers of staffies rotting in kennels and being PTS. Whatever your thoughts towards the RSPCA, perhaps you were not aware that they have launched a campaign to help address this image issue? or that Battersea is now working with Staffie Welfare to do the same? or maybe you should have come to our Welfare stand at Battersea last weekend to actually take the time to talk to people who do know this breed.

 

[Dobiegirl]

It is get of my landitis,dosnt matter whether you bought it, were gifted it,inheireted or married into it. As I said we dont have a problem with people walking on our land as long as they are responsible and follow the country code. We are not in the minority as other farmers round here are the same but then we are not precious about it like the man who ordered us off his 1/2 acre of land but walks on ours. We did not stop to point out to him the irony of the situation or reply with in that case stay off our 120 acres.

Also for the people who said how would you feel if we walked on your garden well no one walks in any farmers /landowners garden so you cant compare the 2.

 

[EAST KENT]

There you go Lexie..straight in the deep end, no wonder CPT got annoyed. I don`t know your age,probably extremely young,but a bit of growing up is in order here,stop dummy throwing.
Would`nt want you in any training class of mine methinks.Sometimes people do know a bit more than you,CPT for instance knows loads about navicular and treatment thereof,wish I`d known half of that when my mare was put down for just that.
Yes ,I`ll guarantee I know a Hell of a lot more than you ever will about retraining asbo dogs , be a bit pathetic if forty years of experience had`nt gleaned me something ..but there ,not wasting any more thought or time on such an attitude type of body.Grow up..soon

 

[lexiedhb]

How is answering you back having just been called an irresponsible dog owner, for no apparent reason in at the deep end? Its not. I have never said you or any one else does not know more than me, why would I? maybe if you actually offered some advise on the dog instead of just putting me down we might get somewhere, but I imagine that would be more effort than throwing insults.

I am not young, and I do not need to grow up.

 

[Luci07]

There you go Lexie..straight in the deep end, no wonder CPT got annoyed. I don`t know your age,probably extremely young,but a bit of growing up is in order here,stop dummy throwing.
Would`nt want you in any training class of mine methinks.Sometimes people do know a bit more than you,CPT for instance knows loads about navicular and treatment thereof,wish I`d known half of that when my mare was put down for just that.
Yes ,I`ll guarantee I know a Hell of a lot more than you ever will about retraining asbo dogs , be a bit pathetic if forty years of experience had`nt gleaned me something ..but there ,not wasting any more thought or time on such an attitude type of body.Grow up..soon

Hang on... did you read the original post. Dex was ON A LEAD... man was rude and uncessarily so. Yes I agree you should not trespass - I have been told I was trespassing (innocently) and told I needed to go a different way round. I didn't argue, although in this instance felt he was proving a point as it meant going down one side of a field or through another (side of the field btw, never through the middle), but I respect it was his land and was fine. He also was not rude so not a problem. I have met people out when walking my 2 dogs with friends dogs and had a run in. Just for the sake of responsibility I called my 2 dogs back, my friend called her (working cocker) back and we put on leads. The other man was really rude saying his "nice" dog would be fine to play with mine and I called them back because they were at risk dogs. No, I called them back because we effectively had a pack with 3 dogs and I did not want another strange one rushing in. (an out of control, ignoring owner dog as well) Few sharp words to the effect that other person needed a better education and further grounding with his manners. I can sound very county when I want to and he was immensly surprised with my response. Idiot!

 

[Tinkerbee]

Would I go back? Yes. Your dog was under control, and if there is a ROW you have every right to be there, even if the landowner (any proof) said otherwise.

However, if you are straying from the ROW you should stop as it is incredibly rude and if I was the landowner I'd tell you to sod off!

 

[cptrayes]

How does calling someone a tit, on a forum, whilst in an upset/confused/angry state = irresponsible dog owner?

Well this is the point really isnt it Lexie. NO-ONE has called you an irresponsible dog owner, but you blow up at the slightest insult you can possibly find. If you did that to a male who was actually frightened of your dog and feeling a bit of an idiot because of it, no wonder he reacted to you with aggression.

He based his prejudice on FEAR, which (unlike many men) he expressed to you and you dismissed. Why can you not accept that? He reacted just like most men do when afraid and not wanting to look like a pillock in front of women, who then had his feelings dismissed out of hand, he got a bit shirty.

Live with it, you've rehomed a dog who will get you that reaction all his life. It's not fair. It's not justified. It's called "life".

 

[cptrayes]

maybe you should have come to our Welfare stand at Battersea last weekend to actually take the time to talk to people who do know this breed.

Maybe you should come north and see the people who walk Staffies in the parks round here. Some of them are currently using (and destroying) the trees by hanging their dogs from them by their jaws to strengthen them. And this is in a small upmarket market town.

Owners of these dogs have to put up with the fact that a tiny minority are owned and trained for aggression and that the ordinary person walking down the street does not know which are which.

On a side note, Lexie may be lucky she doesn't live in this part of the country, a farmer friend of mine when into someone's back garden and shot two Rotties because he believed he had seen them killing his sheep earlier in the week. He confessed to the police and he was never even cautioned and he still has his shotgun licence. He'd happily shoot a dog he felt threatened by on one of the many footpaths that go through his land, justified or not. He'd tell the police the dog went for him, and they would believe him because of the double harness and the appearance of the dog.

 

[lexiedhb]

Well this is the point really isnt it Lexie. NO-ONE has called you an irresponsible dog owner, but you blow up at the slightest insult you can possibly find. If you did that to a male who was actually frightened of your dog and feeling a bit of an idiot because of it, no wonder he reacted to you with aggression.

He based his prejudice on FEAR, which (unlike many men) he expressed to you and you dismissed. Why can you not accept that? He reacted just like most men do when afraid and not wanting to look like a pillock in front of women, who then had his feelings dismissed out of hand, he got a bit shirty.

Live with it, you've rehomed a dog who will get you that reaction all his life. It's not fair. It's not justified. It's called "life".

I have said time and time again I did not blow up at this man nor was i arsey- why you can not believe that but are 110% sure of this mans utter fear of my dog i do not know.

"Calling a landowner "a tit" does`nt exactly give the impression of a responsible dog owner to me" this IS where someone insinuated I was an irresponsible dog owner.

I give up some people seem to just want an argument, to put others down, or play devils advocate.

 

[Gladioli]

On a side note, Lexie may be lucky she doesn't live in this part of the country, a farmer friend of mine when into someone's back garden and shot two Rotties because he believed he had seen them killing his sheep earlier in the week. He confessed to the police and he was never even cautioned and he still has his shotgun licence. He'd happily shoot a dog he felt threatened by on one of the many footpaths that go through his land, justified or not. He'd tell the police the dog went for him, and they would believe him because of the double harness and the appearance of the dog.

I think your friend is lucky he does not live in the real world, walking into a garden and shooting dogs, for gods sake, how did he make sure it was a safe shot. I find that very hard to believe. If I could be bothered I would try and find out more details but the more of this I read the more unbelievable it gets so I think I will just step away now and read further posts by you with a large chunk of salt.

OP all you need to do is walk fido in a nice little collar and none of this will happen to you because the dog wont be in a double harness and therefore wont be a danger....

 

[birchave0]

Back to the OP.......
I always take the view that if the land I'm walking on does not belong to me, it belongs to someone else.
Therefore use a map, check where the REGISTERED public footpaths are in your area and stick to them. There will be various tracks and paths on all kinds of land, this does not mean they are registered for public use.

Fair enough the man may have been rude but maybe he is sick to the back teeth of asking people not to walk on his land and to stick to the public footpath? If the land has no public access why would the land owner need to fence it? People should check the OS map and see which paths are available to the public, the local authority will also have a definitive map showing all the public rights of way including paths and bridlepaths.

If one person strays from the path and is seen by others how long does it take for other folk to think that it's ok the walk all over that land?
Private land is just that, private, and unless you have permission to use it you are trespassing which you can be arrested for if you refuse to leave when asked.

Regardless of what kind of dog you have, it is always advisable to keep them on a lead whilst on a public footpath or bridleway. Not everyone likes dogs and there's nothing worse than being approached by a strange dog whether it's friendly or not.

I'm sorry that you've been upset by the whole episode but do yourself a favour, get an up to date map and then you are sure that you are walking on the registered paths. If anyone stops you, then just smile and tell them you are on a public right of way

 

[Luci07]

Maybe you should come north and see the people who walk Staffies in the parks round here. Some of them are currently using (and destroying) the trees by hanging their dogs from them by their jaws to strengthen them. And this is in a small upmarket market town.

Owners of these dogs have to put up with the fact that a tiny minority are owned and trained for aggression and that the ordinary person walking down the street does not know which are which.
.

As an owner of this breed I do not have to put up with that attitude and neither should you be seen to endorse it. Staffie Welfare have a slogan which is very apt (and applies to many dogs) "Blame the Deed, Not the Breed". Staffies are terriers, active, intelligent and loyal. I live in Surrey and in Guildford (so how much more "upmarket" are you going to get? there was a recent incident where a woman selling her golden retriever on Gumtree had the police contact her 2 weeks later. Her dog had been used as bait and had had its jaws sellotaped together - mauled to death, unable to defend itself. Thats in Surrey.

I happily approach anyone with a staff, the scarier the better but that is because I do know this breed. I also take GREAT delight in ensuring that all around know that the dog is friendly and if it makes the owner look like the idiot he/she is, then I have made my point.

Next time you see someone trying to look big with a staff, just remember that they are the ultimate wimps. They have "chosen" a breed who are reknown for their loyalty and are highly unlikely to turn on them, unlike other dogs.

Staffies are first and foremost, active/country dogs - they are not meant to be walked for 15 minutes on a short chain a day, even my staffie with displaysia needs over an hour a day (split up). Reclaim these dogs. And whatever the rights and wrongs of peoples views on Kennel club standards, its an incredible shame that these dogs are so overbred for a quick buck that the original criteria seems to be disappearing. I had someone on the stand say they were worried their dog was too small - eh no.. the bitch was the correct height.

 

[Changes]

He'd happily shoot a dog he felt threatened by on one of the many footpaths that go through his land, justified or not. He'd tell the police the dog went for him, and they would believe him because of the double harness and the appearance of the dog.

And you think that's justifiable?

That's really disturbing, and quite sick, because that same mentality of human is no different to the ones you are slating that own the dogs you don't like in your 'upmarket' little town.

I'm guessing the OP is very lucky people like you are nowhere near her.

 

[EAST KENT]

Actually all OP needs is a nice thin check chain,a degree of respect for landowners ,and to consult a REAL dog trainer ,such as an ex forces one;she has been given lots of sound advice on hereand just got arsey over it.
He is probably a beautiful dog (pictures please) with potential to be a credit to his type of dog. He also would benefit greatly if OP could ask a farmer /landowner if they have an ENCLOSED field with no stock in it to give this one a real good burn up daily.
But ,Hey? why waste time ,she`ll get shirty over this too.

 

[Dobiegirl]

Cpt you need to get another friend, if anyone walked into someone else garden with a loaded shotgun around here the police would take a very dim view of that and I suspect that would be the policy of the police everywhere.

Since the Bird shooting if anyone had reported your friend the armed response team would have been alerted and he would have been lucky to escape with his life. My gut instinct tells me this is a work of pure fiction but if you can prove with newspaper cuttings I will be only to glad to apologise. Also you fail to see the irony of your friend walking(trespassing) in someones garden.

East Kent your experience of navicular, Im sorry but was has that got to do with this post?. So you have had years of experience breeding Bull terriers and dealing with asbo dogs, Lexies dog is not an asbo dog so where is the relevance. As far as I can remember we do not know what Lexies dog is it might not be a straight cross and might even have a bit of poodle in there somewhere.

I never liked Bull Terriers as a breed but am open minded enough and East Kents previous posts of her dogs has enlightened me to think again.

There is blatant prejudice on this forum against certain breeds but people are not open minded enough to question the fact that perhaps they could be wrong.

 

[Spudlet]

Lexie needs to keep doing what she is doing, as she is making good progress, and ignore the small-minded views of people both on and off this forum.

 

[bonny]

Living in Scotland where everyone has the right to go where they please now I find the whole get off my land argument incredible. It works here and would in England if only people would live and let live and not be so hostile to the idea of someone else walking on their grass, footpath or whatever.
Bt the way since the law changed people are not wandering around other people's gardens so that argument really doesn't apply.