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I'm sorry but at this stage I simply cannot believe that either of the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance/murder.

I also think that all the media attention they are getting must be hard to live with and as for all these theories that they harmed their child - well, I prefer to wait for the facts.


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I completely agree. Maybe it's just me being old fashioned but I hate even the thought of parents harming an innocent child, so refuse to believe that they did. Blinkered?? Maybe but having a 2 & half year old daughter myself, Madeleine's disappearance really hit home hard. You cannot imagine how a mother must be feeling to have a child taken away until you have your own children.
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Saying this thought, I am still puzzled from when I read that just days after Madeleine disappeared the McCann's put their twins into a creche. Is it just me or would you never let your other children out of your sight again???!!
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I always thought it didn't ring true. I'm sure they didn't od her but as anyone will know who has been sedated or taken sleeping tablets, if you wake up while the drug is still in your system you are very discoordinated and unsteady. Could it be that she woke got out of bed and fell, fatally injuring herself? That would account for the blood. I have always thought they were involved in some way but couldn't see them actually murdering or trafficing her. I think it has been a terrible course of events which has led to her death and that through guilt at leaving the children unattended in the first place they have then tried to cover it up. We won't know for sure until the child is found. There was also a distinct case of "the lady doth protest too much" if you ask me. The thing is we have all seen it happen time after time. Those that make most noise end up being involved, and as for the whole pope audience....well that just left me speechless (hard to believe I know!!) In fact it was at that point that I really thought there was something odd going on. And incidentally I agree about the coverage, but unfortunately this is the kind of thing that sells papers.
 
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I am still puzzled from when I read that just days after Madeleine disappeared the McCann's put their twins into a creche. Is it just me or would you never let your other children out of your sight again???!!
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Out of interest, does anyone know if the McCanns are Catholic?
 
yes they are catholic. I am very surprised that hho allows this thread, the bbc and other boards have shut them down for fear of monumental libel suits. However, if you really want to have your eyes opened on this subject, you might want to take a look at the Daily Mirror forums!
 
I too have been suprised by some of the accusations flying around.

I only asked if they were Catholic as I wondered why they would visit the Pope if not...
 
There is outright libel on here about the Portuguese Police! I've just posted to the defamatory posts thread about it, but doubt it will arouse much attention!
I'm not fussed one way or another, myself, but I'm shocked IPC can afford to take the risk of legal action being taken. I mean we all know the big dailies take it in their stride, but I wouldn't have thought H&H budgeted for it!
 
Come on people, PLEASE read what Weezy and Micky have said- it doesnt translate directly and suspect means something different here.

Personally,I dont belive they are involved in any way or that they did anything worse then being stupid enough to leave her alone that night.
I dont understand how they would be able to leave their other children in daycare either myself, but do know the advice is to keep life as normal as possable for a child after a tramatic event so maybe they were just trying to do the right thing and following the advice they were given.

As for the blood,wasnt it on a toy???
She could easily have had a knock/bump and left a trace of blood on a favorite toy that has gone unnoticed untill now,why would it be in their hire car?
If YOUR child was missing and you had no idear if she was dead or worse wouldnt YOU want anything that was important to him/her with you?
Maybe time will prove me wrong,maybe it wont.
 
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I personally believe the McCanns gave Madelaine sleeping pills/tranqulizer to keep her asleep whilst they were out with friends (which the authorities have already suggested might have happened) but they gave her too much. Tragically she died, the McCanns found her and panicked and buried the body somewhere......

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Surly if the police had thought of this theory soon after Madelaine had dissapeared, wouldn't it have been wise to test the twins for traces of pills, drugs, etc in their systems, because surly they wouldn't have only given madelaine them if they had.

Just a quick point, not sure if you know that Madelaine was concieved by fertility treatment. I wouldnt have thought the McCann's would have intentionally killed their daughter after years of heartbreak, and thousands of pounds worth of treatment.
 
I just wonder how closely some of you have been watching this case... i have followed it everyday, there is no way on gods earth they are responsible, i do believe they made a terrible mistake in leaving them that night, but i feel they were lulled into a false sence of security in there surroundings, they completely adore their children, look at the picture of little madeleine on the last day she was seen, happy and well looked after, these children were conceived by ivf and very much wanted, what about the people they were dining with, dont you think they would have noticed something very odd? Poor kate is a bag of bones, wise up you lot who are making these dreadfull accusations, go on to the find madeleine sight and see what kind of people they are, they havent touched a penny of that money for themselves and are on unpaid leave... i hardly think they would have this huge campaign if they had commited a crime, no way, and as for you lot saying its to much publicity for one child when there is many others missing, you are missing the point they are the just not receiving enough, its kate and gerrys position and intelligence which has enabled this campaign, i take it those that made those comments havent got children, when you have you might understand, how can you look at that child and say that, i just pray to god this case is resolved soon, and god bless madeleine, where ever she is xx
 
I haven't got children yet the comment I made is that I know absolutely categorically that I would not have left those children unattended for any reason, even in my home let alone in an apartment in a foreign country for the sake of a night out. In fact I would not leave them for any length of time. I know that is absolutely fundamentally wrong even though I am obviously incapable of having a valid opinion because I choose not to have children. By making that "terrible mistake" they are responsible entirely for whatever has happened to their daughter. If she's dead they are responsible, if she was abducted they are responsible, because if they hadn't left them alone then whatever has happened would not have occurred They weren't held up at gunpoint they voluntarily left them vulnerable and asleep while they had a good time. Perhaps they should count their blessings that there are not three children "missing" Have people forgotten that if they had done this in the UK those other two children would no doubt be in the care of social services by now? Yes I'm not denying that the children were very much wanted, but obviously so was that night out. I believe when you make a decision to have children you must be prepared for your life to revolve around those children. Isn't that the whole point of having them. Yes I hope Madeleine is safe or has not suffered but the fact remains that whatever happened the Mccanns brought upon themselves.
 
I think they no that... i wouldnt leave my children either, but they didnt kill madeleine and hide her body for 25 days. Look at the price they have had to pay, they will never have a life again, the guilt will live with them for ever, but i do have a heart and i am desperately sorry for them, and the price there dear daughter has had to pay..
 
Just don't assume that because somebody has no children that they cannot possibly have any empathy or grasp of the situation. As for Kate and Gerry being on unpaid leave and not having touched a penny of the money...I should b****y well hope that would be the case. Why should the NHS sponsor this whole debacle by giving them paid leave. No one else would get it. Yes look at the price they have to pay. It was their choice to leave them. Is that guilt not well founded.
I hope Madeleine has not suffered. She is the important one in this. She did nothing wrong.
 
Im glad your so perfect in your life, you are obviously very hard hearted, no one should have to suffer their unimaginable pain. By the way it was the publicity, which some people think madeleine has had to much off i was refering to regarding some peoples thoughts and them possibly not having children of their own, if you read my post correctly, and previous posts. Not everyone has their child abducted, i would say this is severe stress if they had been on paid leave, their lives are in pieces.
 
Well I have never been called hard hearted before that's for sure. Perfect .. yes it's a fair cop! Yes I know right from wrong, and they were wrong. There are no shades of grey here, what they did was categorically wrong. The fact that it was the publicity you were referring to was unclear. So if we had children of our own we would understand why they had been driven to attain as much publicity as possible. Nothing to do with guilt then. And regarding your comment " not everyone has their child abducted" I wonder why that is then. Perhaps because most people wouldn't have left them alone in the first place.
 
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do you not think it odd tho that in a tourist resort that at that time in the evening no-one say ANYTHING?

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Remember jamie Bulger?
People DID remember seeing him being taken and thought nothing of it.
It looked normal.
in all honesty,if you saw a child "kicking off" at the adult with it would you think "that child is being kidnapped,I must do something" or dismiss it as a toddler tantrum?

This whole case is so very sad, I hope it is at an end(one way or another) ASAP.
I also hope that the procedures for investigating cases like this are looked at VERY closely and lessons learned.
 
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Well I have never been called hard hearted before that's for sure. Perfect .. yes it's a fair cop! Yes I know right from wrong, and they were wrong. There are no shades of grey here, what they did was categorically wrong. The fact that it was the publicity you were referring to was unclear. So if we had children of our own we would understand why they had been driven to attain as much publicity as possible. Nothing to do with guilt then. And regarding your comment " not everyone has their child abducted" I wonder why that is then. Perhaps because most people wouldn't have left them alone in the first place.

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Totally with jojobah on this, they were wrong, criminally negligent, unforgiveable to leave three children alone in the way they did, whatever else they did and didn't do, and if they had been down the boozer with a pint and a kebab, the other two would have been in care before you could say 'BUPA'
The media campaign cynically and somwhat sinisterly in my opinion succeeded in brainwashing people - the number of people I met who parroted 'we've all done it' NO WE HAVEN'T ! We have not all left three children under four in a hotel room and gone out, nor have we all done anything even approaching that stupid!
You will find that people without TVs (like me) people who don't watch them much, and people who were out of the country at the time of the first rush of media, are less convinced that we have all done it. I wonder why?
I'm not pre-judging anything that is in doubt, and I'm surprised IPC have allowed the libellous accusations against both the McCanns and the Portuguese Police to remain on the board, but in what we do know, that they *at the very least* left those children unattended, they should be flogged, in my humble and somewhat antiquated opinion.
 
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I can't really believe this - the McCanns are well educated intelligent people.

If I had somehow accidently killed my duaghter, the last thing I would think of would be to hide or bury the body and tell people she had been kidnapped. Wouldn't you just immediately dial 999 and take the consequences?
 
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McCanns gave Madelaine sleeping pills/tranqulizer to keep her asleep whilst they were out with friends (which the authorities have already suggested might have happened) but they gave her too much. Tragically she died, the McCanns found her and panicked and buried the body somewhere......

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I can't really believe this - the McCanns are well educated intelligent people.

If I had somehow accidently killed my duaghter, the last thing I would think of would be to hide or bury the body and tell people she had been kidnapped. Wouldn't you just immediately dial 999 and take the consequences?

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No it wouldn't occur to me to try and hide it. Yes I would be on the phone immediately. This is why I think there is more to it. But they did neither which to me begs the question, what could they possibly have to hide?
 
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I completely agree. Maybe it's just me being old fashioned but I hate even the thought of parents harming an innocent child, so refuse to believe that they did. Blinkered?? Maybe but having a 2 & half year old daughter myself, Madeleine's disappearance really hit home hard. You cannot imagine how a mother must be feeling to have a child taken away until you have your own children.
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Nobody likes to think that parents would go so far but they do, its a fact of life.....

I'm not saying that they killed her, but I will stand by my opinion that there are a lot of things that do not add up in this case!

I've always said the publicity was wrong, yes publicise that the child is missing - but who has ever witnessed parents going to such lengths to be in the public eye? Even when that little girl Sarah was murdered, the parents were not at the forefront all the time!

At the end of the day - what people are saying is true! Who in their right mind leaves children of that age alone in a strange place? As for people saying we all do it - NO WE DONT......

My daughter was snatched by my ex husband when she was 18 months old..... I wasnt in the forefront on the news! I wasn;t throwing myself into the public eye or touring the world gaining audience with the pope! (and my daughter was actually with my childminder when she was taken!)

And from experience I wouldn't leave my son for even five minutes and he was born some 6 years later - so putting your other children into a creche a few days after your daughter has gone is unbelievable! No after having a child go missing you would not let your other children out your sight!
 
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there is no way on gods earth they are responsible, i do believe they made a terrible mistake in leaving them that night, Poor kate is a bag of bones, wise up you lot who are making these dreadfull accusations,

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I'm with you daisychain. Have followed the case from start to present day. I cannot believe the McCanns are in any way responsible for their child's disappearance. I feel incredibly sorry for their obvious pain and I am amazed how they are holding up through what must be a total living nightmare. I really hope that life improves for them. It's not nice to see some of these horrible stories people have concocted of how they might have killed their daughter. IMO some people have fat too much of an imagination - Remember, this is not a soap opera.
 
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well, it's bloody well being played out like one!

i for one, am sick to death of this...............

if these folk were anything but so-called "profesionals"..they would be investigated by Social Services and have the other 2 kids taken from them!!

if they had not "abandoned" those kids on a regular basis during their holiday, then there wouldn't be ANY need for "media speculation"!!!!


the McCann's only have their selves to blame...however the legal outcome....
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I'm maintaining an open mind on this. There are a number of oddities about the case. However, I see no way in which this couple could have done away with a child's body with the eyes of the world's media on them constantly.

I must say though that this thread led to me visiting the 'find Madaleine' site for the first time and I am shocked and disapointed to see that that fund set up from ordinary people's kind donations is not just to fund the campagn to find the child, but also to provide financial assistance to the family! Given that they have been on well over £200,000 (combined salaries of a Consultant and a GP) a year between them, I find that pretty outrageous. I expect very few of the people donating are on that kind of income. I had assumed that any monies left over after the campagn for Madaleine would go to assist where other children are missing. That is said to be the plan after financial help to the family! As I said, I find that very disapointing
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This is taken from their website. Its their information about the fund. See 1.1.3!

MADELEINE’S FUND

Leaving No Stone Unturned

Madeleine’s fund is a non charitable not-for-profit company, which has been established to help find Madeleine McCann and to support her family and bring her abductors to justice. Any surplus funds will be used to help families and missing children in the United Kingdom, Portugal and elsewhere in similar circumstances. If there are surplus funds Madeleine’s Funds can be converted into a charity.



The Fund is following best practice governance procedures as set out in the Good Governance Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector. The directors of the company are Peter Hubner, Brian Kennedy, John McCann, Esther McVey, Doug Skehan and Philip Tomlinson. They have appropriate legal, business and charitable experience. An experienced Fund Administrator has been appointed to ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability. This should enable the Directors to maintain an appropriate governance distance in the day-to-day operations of the Fund.



The Board and its individual Directors will ensure that the Fund is subject to required financial legal scrutiny. They will ensure that they receive reliable external advice and information, as the basis for making good decisions.





NOTE

1.1 The full objects of the Fund are:

1.1.1 To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

1.1.2 To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

1.1.3 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family.

1.2 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.



You can make instant payments to the fund, using PAYPAL.

Simply Click the button below.
 
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there is no way on gods earth they are responsible, i do believe they made a terrible mistake in leaving them that night, Poor kate is a bag of bones, wise up you lot who are making these dreadfull accusations,

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I'm with you daisychain. Have followed the case from start to present day. I cannot believe the McCanns are in any way responsible for their child's disappearance. I feel incredibly sorry for their obvious pain and I am amazed how they are holding up through what must be a total living nightmare. I really hope that life improves for them. It's not nice to see some of these horrible stories people have concocted of how they might have killed their daughter. IMO some people have fat too much of an imagination - Remember, this is not a soap opera.

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Echo all of that - it is utterly rediculous to suggest they killed their own daughter albeit by accident. Yes they were wrong to leave their children unattended - but by God they have more than paid the price for that! I find it abhorent the way some people have perpetuated this theory - reminds me of the witch hunts of the middle ages - have some heart people, don't you think they are having a hard enough time or would you rather see them burnt alive at the stake?

What seems to have been forgotten here is the totally inept way the portuguese police dealt with Madelaine's disappearance in the vital first hours - do you not think that this is a major reason that the poor mite has not yet been found? Do you not also think that the portuguese police were surprised at the publicity stirred up and that they were a little worried that their investigations into all the past disappearances (and, apparently there have been a fair few missing children) would also be questioned?

I am shocked, disgusted and more than a little saddened at some of the replies to this thread - feel like handing out the pointy hats and white robes
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there is no way on gods earth they are responsible, i do believe they made a terrible mistake in leaving them that night, Poor kate is a bag of bones, wise up you lot who are making these dreadfull accusations,

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I'm with you daisychain. Have followed the case from start to present day. I cannot believe the McCanns are in any way responsible for their child's disappearance. I feel incredibly sorry for their obvious pain and I am amazed how they are holding up through what must be a total living nightmare. I really hope that life improves for them. It's not nice to see some of these horrible stories people have concocted of how they might have killed their daughter. IMO some people have fat too much of an imagination - Remember, this is not a soap opera.

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Echo all of that - it is utterly rediculous to suggest they killed their own daughter albeit by accident. Yes they were wrong to leave their children unattended - but by God they have more than paid the price for that! I find it abhorent the way some people have perpetuated this theory - reminds me of the witch hunts of the middle ages - have some heart people, don't you think they are having a hard enough time or would you rather see them burnt alive at the stake?

What seems to have been forgotten here is the totally inept way the portuguese police dealt with Madelaine's disappearance in the vital first hours - do you not think that this is a major reason that the poor mite has not yet been found? Do you not also think that the portuguese police were surprised at the publicity stirred up and that they were a little worried that their investigations into all the past disappearances (and, apparently there have been a fair few missing children) would also be questioned?

I am shocked, disgusted and more than a little saddened at some of the replies to this thread - feel like handing out the pointy hats and white robes
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hand out the pointy hats...i'll have one...and i'll berate those stupid parents of that young girl, who, god willing, is dead...and not in some peodo ring.......suffering...


they ARE to blame...and i for one hope they suffer big time for the rest of their lives!!!

that young girl was brought into this world by her parents to be nurtured and protected whilst she grew, hopefully, into a young adult....she was denied that...by her "negligent" parents.....

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