Kauto doing dressage

Dobiegirl said:
I totally agree, Ive been to his yard and been lucky to have met him by private invitation, even have the photos, my point being it was obvious the regard he is held in and the love everyone felt for him. As he got older he would never have been seen less than he is now which is what Cptrayes is saying. He is a super star and always will be.
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Lucky you x I wish I had had that opportunity to see him in the flesh and it will always make me sad that I never got the chance to see him or Denman up close and personal.
I just hope and pray that both are here to stay for many years ahead.
I also believe he would have remained a superstar at Ditcheat x
 
cptrayes said:
I'm sorry but none of the previous posts have answered those questions completely, and mostly not at all.

And comparisons with where he might end up are pointless, we don't know where he is going to end up. From the strop that the trainer has thrown, it does not appear that going back to Ditcheat will be on the cards if Laura and Yogi advise that he is not suitable for retraining into a new career.

I am sorry that you have taken my genuine attempt to understand what the horse's life would have been at Ditcheat in this way. If no-one can tell me what it would have been, then I can't make any progress towards understanding why some people are so adamant that he should have stayed there, when personally I can see a better life for a fit sound 11/12 year old somewhere else.

By the way I do not accept that just because a horse wins it is happy. There are plenty of examples of horses that are really mean or difficult to handle that are great athletes in all sorts of sports.
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Gosh, now you want to 'understand' whereas a few posts back you knew everything? Oh, but then of course unhappy horses do what Kauto did cos they're mean or difficult? :rolleyes:

Can I suggest you leave the shovel at the end of your last post?
 
Dobiegirl said:
Cptrayes why dont you contact them yourself as you are so interested, Im sure they will be more than happy to answer your questions.
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Because I am only interested in the context of the strong disagreement of people on THIS thread with my own point of view, and their inability simply to accept that we have different points of view.

I was trying to find out what they knew that I didn't that made them feel so strongly about it.

I failed.
 
cptrayes said:
Because I am only interested in the context of the strong disagreement of people on THIS thread with my own point of view, and their inability simply to accept that we have different points of view.

I was trying to find out what they knew that I didn't that made them feel so strongly about it.

I failed.
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Aah the logic of your arguement because we cant give you a minute by minute account of his life at Ditcheat has ruled us out of having an opinion, rather rules everyone else thats posted as well:rolleyes:
 
Oh FFS!
1. Kyoto Star WAS a racehorse of extraordinary ability who won loads of money for the punters and his owners/ trainer.
2. He is now an ex racehorse. He will have no or limited further financial benefit to above mentioned individuals.
3. His OWNER exercised his legal right to decide what to do with HIS horse.
4. No one on this site ( HHo) have any say in what becomes of him..unless you can afford to purchase him.

What is the point of this discussion? He's a horse..he will be fine. He will be valued in whatever job he ends up in because of his history.


AAaaAaaGgggggggHHH..:eek:
 
bonny said:
Red Rum lived with his trainer until he died in his 30's, doubt anyone on here could even name his owner ? He was Ginger's horse till the end, exactly what alot of racing people think should have been the case for Kauto.
There is no comparison between Denman and Kauto Star or indeed with anyother horse in training.....
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Noel Le Mare :p

There wasn't the fuss about Denman because he took a fairly normal/expected route for an ex chaser. I have followed hounds in the company of a National winner and a Gold Cup winner/National runner up. It was lovely to see them out enjoying themselves :)
 
cptrayes said:
No, my main wish would be to see him in a one-person home with someone who gives him individual attention and a varied life. The rest is a bonus and wouldn't need him to do anything additional.
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I agree, or at least a yard where he won't be taking a back seat to number of 'proper' comp horses. I was quite surprised at the choice of home, but it sounds like it's not going to be a long term thing.

And I see some beat me to Noel, that'll teach me not to post without reading the whole thread first!
 
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Dobiegirl said:
but Im not obsessed with trying to get my opinion over which maybe you could take on board Im sure others would be grateful for that.
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I don't think cptrays is being obsessed at all - I think you'll find that what she's entering in to is good old fashioned debate......;)
 
cptrayes said:
I was trying to find out what they knew that I didn't that made them feel so strongly about it.

I failed.
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You failed, cptrayes, because I don't believe that anyone posting on this thread works at Ditcheat, or ever has - and therefore can't give a first hand account of how any horse is looked after there or indeed how the yard is run.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Aah the logic of your arguement because we cant give you a minute by minute account of his life at Ditcheat has ruled us out of having an opinion, rather rules everyone else thats posted as well:rolleyes:
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I don't understand this comment Dobiegirl. I have accepted that you have a different point of view than me. I have tried to understand your point of view and failed.

I am not trying to convince you, it is you trying to convince me. Why can you not just accept that we have different points of view about Kauto's future and the behaviour of his contacts?

I hope we can agree that we all hope the horse will be healthy and happy whatever he ends up doing.
 
marmalade76 said:
Noel Le Mare :p

There wasn't the fuss about Denman because he took a fairly normal/expected route for an ex chaser. I have followed hounds in the company of a National winner and a Gold Cup winner/National runner up. It was lovely to see them out enjoying themselves :)
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marmalade I agree, my first choice for him would have been for him to go hunting. I think ROR may have had quite a lot of input into this decision, from reading that beacon of reliable information, the Daily Wail.
 
cronkmooar said:
I have been so restrained but I can't resist any longer:D

Firstly I watch Red Rum in every national he did as a very young kid - I even cried when he was withdrawn from the final one he was entered in.

I could tell you the name of his owner and what he looked like - he always looked like he was 150:eek: but I think he really was an old man when RR was running.

Secondly - I'm not going to get into the why's and whatevers about KS moving yards - as the owner of 4 recycled racehorses - all to the end of their days - I think that if KS can go on to a new career, be it walk and trot tests or whatever, he could become the new poster boy for retraining racehorses - just think of the good he could do for those that have not fared as well as himself.

Finally, someone posted a link to the racing post quite a few pages back now so I cant be arsed looking for it. There was a picture of KS looking at himself in a mirror on LC yard - you could see the breath mark on the mirror.

Some muppet had a rant on the comments about isolating new horses and not letting them touch noses - I think this indicates the level of moron that is getting their knickers in a knot about all of this.

As long as the horse doesn't end up like hello dandy and is well cared for with his needs met until the end I dont think he will be too put out about who shovels his s**t
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***round of applause***
 
amymay said:
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

People, please get a life. Good grief!

And do put it in context please, because it's totally out of context as posted about in here.
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It really wasn't. DG was trying to explain to somebody (based on comments on this thread) why not many folk take CPT seriously, the above link is a perfect example of why. There are many, many other threads to go with it, too. It was a simple comment, made in context, about why most of us don't tend to listen to much of what CPT says ;)

Its a public forum, it would be silly to think that you could post whatever you wanted, and it would just be forgotten. That doesn't tend to be how forums work. :o
 
That is a smashing photo through Kauto's ears, isn't it? And Laura is obviously relaxed enough on his to take the reins in one hand to take the photo. Lovely.

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p.s. if anyone is ever bored enough to want to see anything else I have ever written on this forum, just click on my name and click the "find more posts" button. Can't think why you would want to, but somebody just suggested that I would want to hide them :D
 
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Blimey.

How come there isn't a thread like this every time an ex-racer embarks on a new career or is sold or moved from a yard it has previously been previously happy at?

Presumably no one would be worrying or arguing if an unknown ex-racer with a long but uninspiring career was sold and became a happy hacker or a riding club horse or an international eventer.

Perhaps only horses who win money have futures that are worth arguing about.
 
Pongwiffy said:
Perhaps only horses who win money have futures that are worth arguing about.
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Interesting comment.
I would have thought it was fairly obvious that any horse in the limelight as much KS has been, is going to develop a certain amount of public interest.
I think its nice that everybody has invested such an interest in his future though, even if I don't agree with everyone's opinions of where he should end up/what he should be doing, I think its lovely that every one cares.

Whilst I agree that its a shame not every ex race horse is afforded the same luxury as KS after a racing career, the comparison to that of a top level competition horse in any other discipline is really no different.
Do you think Joe Public care about where your sisters, aunts, boyfriends, uncle's failed eventer is being sold to?
I should think they don't, just like they probably don't care quite so much about all of the other failed/low level horses out there in dressage, jumping, racing, etc that are being sold.
Horses in the lime light will develop more public interest, that's a given.
 
amymay said:
You failed, cptrayes, because I don't believe that anyone posting on this thread works at Ditcheat, or ever has - and therefore can't give a first hand account of how any horse is looked after there or indeed how the yard is run.
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But if she really wanted to know I gave her the link to find out, just send a simple email, how difficult is that.

As far as I know no-one has professed to know the day to day routine of KS at PNs and I doubt very much anyone could do the same now he is at LCs.
 
Pongwiffy said:
Blimey.

How come there isn't a thread like this every time an ex-racer embarks on a new career or is sold or moved from a yard it has previously been previously happy at?

Presumably no one would be worrying or arguing if an unknown ex-racer with a long but uninspiring career was sold and became a happy hacker or a riding club horse or an international eventer.

Perhaps only horses who win money have futures that are worth arguing about.
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KS is a legend, he has made racing history so not your average racehorse, he has countless fans who were captured by him in his early racing career and have followed him ever since. We care what happens to him, we all love him and his happiness and well being is paramount. It seems to me the only difference on here is where he should have gone on retirement. My only beef has been the way this was handled and the upset caused to the yard. PNs team didnt have a problem with Denman and NC leaving the yard so common sense would say well why the fuss over KS leaving and from my point of view it was the fact they were not consulted over what happens after retirement.

My personal preference would have been to leave him where he was happy after all if CS wanted him to become a riding horse all that could have been done at Ditcheat. He could also have enjoyed hunting as does Denman.
 
Dobiegirl said:
As far as I know no-one has professed to know the day to day routine of KS at PNs and I doubt very much anyone could do the same now he is at LCs.
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Reading some of the posts, Dobiegirl, you'd think that quite a few of you knew exactly what his daily management was.......
 
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