Kent vet
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benson21
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CANT DOWNLOAD ON MY WORK COMPUTER, WHAT DOES IT SAY!!!!!!
Cuffey
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Benson sadly only about docking puppies--had hoped for more
ROYAL COLLEGE OF VETERINARY SURGEONS
V
DAVID E SMITH
CHARGE SHEET
That, being registered in the Register of Veterinary Surgeons and whilst in practice at Lakeview
Veterinary Centre, 58 Union Road, Deal, Kent CT14 6AR and Dover & Folkestone Quarantine
Kennels, Crete Road West, Folkestone, Kent CT18 7AB you:
1. On 14 December 2010, in the Channel Magistrates Court, were convicted of removing the
whole or part of a dog's tail otherwise than for the purpose of medical treatment and were
sentenced to pay a fine of £1,300; and further that the conviction was on 16 May 2011 upheld
by the Canterbury Crown Court;
And it is alleged that the above conviction renders you unfit to practise veterinary surgery;
AND/OR
2. That, being registered in the Register of Veterinary Surgeons and whilst in practice at
Lakeview Veterinary Centre, 58 Union Road, Deal, Kent CT14 6AR and Dover & Folkestone
Quarantine Kennels, Crete Road West, Folkestone, Kent CT18 7AB you:
a. On 27 March 2008, other than in relation to the conviction in the Channel Magistrates
Court on 14 December 2010 referred to in 1 above, removed the whole or part of the
tail of 12 puppies other than for the purpose of medical treatment; and/or
b. in or around April 2009, altered a record that had been completed in relation to the
removal by you on 27 March 2008 of the tails of puppies by adding the words "for
law enforcement"; and that you did so:
i. in a deliberate and/or dishonest attempt to mislead; and/or
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ii. when you ought to have known that the said alteration might have been
misleading.
AND THAT, in relation to the facts alleged, whether individually or cumulatively, you have been
guilty of disgraceful conduct in a professional respect.
21 March 2012
ROYAL COLLEGE OF VETERINARY SURGEONS
V
DAVID E SMITH
CHARGE SHEET
That, being registered in the Register of Veterinary Surgeons and whilst in practice at Lakeview
Veterinary Centre, 58 Union Road, Deal, Kent CT14 6AR and Dover & Folkestone Quarantine
Kennels, Crete Road West, Folkestone, Kent CT18 7AB you:
1. On 14 December 2010, in the Channel Magistrates Court, were convicted of removing the
whole or part of a dog's tail otherwise than for the purpose of medical treatment and were
sentenced to pay a fine of £1,300; and further that the conviction was on 16 May 2011 upheld
by the Canterbury Crown Court;
And it is alleged that the above conviction renders you unfit to practise veterinary surgery;
AND/OR
2. That, being registered in the Register of Veterinary Surgeons and whilst in practice at
Lakeview Veterinary Centre, 58 Union Road, Deal, Kent CT14 6AR and Dover & Folkestone
Quarantine Kennels, Crete Road West, Folkestone, Kent CT18 7AB you:
a. On 27 March 2008, other than in relation to the conviction in the Channel Magistrates
Court on 14 December 2010 referred to in 1 above, removed the whole or part of the
tail of 12 puppies other than for the purpose of medical treatment; and/or
b. in or around April 2009, altered a record that had been completed in relation to the
removal by you on 27 March 2008 of the tails of puppies by adding the words "for
law enforcement"; and that you did so:
i. in a deliberate and/or dishonest attempt to mislead; and/or
2
ii. when you ought to have known that the said alteration might have been
misleading.
AND THAT, in relation to the facts alleged, whether individually or cumulatively, you have been
guilty of disgraceful conduct in a professional respect.
21 March 2012
benson21
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Ok, thanks for that. Nothing to do with vettings of horses yet then.
NooNoo59
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I dont think this is the first time he has done something wrong, best avoided in relation to all animals
hoggedmane
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no but I posted it so hopefully anyone looking for a vet to vet horses in Kent would be wary.
I had a pony vetted by him too and have been contacted by many others who have too.
I would like to avoid anyone else having similar problems. I don't really care why he's struck off - just hope that this time he won't be allowed back.
I had a pony vetted by him too and have been contacted by many others who have too.
I would like to avoid anyone else having similar problems. I don't really care why he's struck off - just hope that this time he won't be allowed back.
NooNoo59
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and so say all of us!!
EAST KENT
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OK you lot..let`s give you the facts on this one. David was asked to dock a Rottie litter bred by a security establishment purely for working homes,so he obliged. Now,if the clients were lying THAT is not his fault. As it happens,another vet ..who had worked for him ,his first job in fact,..had one of these docked rotties enter his surgery when it was around six months old.How do I know..I was in that surgery at the time.That vet had parted on bad terms with David,and just could`nt wait to "get" him.Despicible in my opinion to do this to someone good enough to give them their first chance in practice,but there you are ,some folk are scrotes.
This vet then informed the rspca..no caps you`ll notice..and so it all started up.YESTERDAY THE CASE WAS DISMISSED,END OF STORY.
This vet then informed the rspca..no caps you`ll notice..and so it all started up.YESTERDAY THE CASE WAS DISMISSED,END OF STORY.
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benson21
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Hmmm, I think there is alot more to the interest on here than docked tails.
EAST KENT
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Possibly so..but that yet has to be proved,and NO ONE is guilty until PROVED so! I would be totally amazed if anything was proved in the future, I KNOW this guy very well remember ,you lot do not,he is`nt faultless by any means ..but a crook..NEVER.
By the way ,ANYONE stupid enough to get a horse vetted by the dealers vet has to be less than intelligent in my opinion.
By the way ,ANYONE stupid enough to get a horse vetted by the dealers vet has to be less than intelligent in my opinion.
hoggedmane
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No one said they used the dealer's vet - I asked the dealer I dealt with specifically whether she was his vet and when I booked the appointment whether they were her vet so are you now telling me he was their vet? Kent police would be interested in that.
exert from RCVS documents on the case
'The Committee has concluded that Mr Smiths conduct fell short of that to be expected of a
veterinary surgeon but does not consider that it fell far short of that to be expected of a
member of the profession. Therefore, the case is dismissed.'
All documents can be read here
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/complaints/disciplinary-hearings/
exert from RCVS documents on the case
'The Committee has concluded that Mr Smiths conduct fell short of that to be expected of a
veterinary surgeon but does not consider that it fell far short of that to be expected of a
member of the profession. Therefore, the case is dismissed.'
All documents can be read here
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/complaints/disciplinary-hearings/
Suziq77
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He was our vet when I was a kid (in the 1990s). All our ponies liked him and me and my sister did too (we were aged from 7 to 18 when we used him). Reading reports like this makes me sad as I remember him as a really good vet
benson21
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Possibly so..but that yet has to be proved,and NO ONE is guilty until PROVED so! I would be totally amazed if anything was proved in the future, I KNOW this guy very well remember ,you lot do not,he is`nt faultless by any means ..but a crook..NEVER.
By the way ,ANYONE stupid enough to get a horse vetted by the dealers vet has to be less than intelligent in my opinion.
Thats your view. Mine and many others on here may choose to differ with what you believe. But that is not an arguement to have on here.
hoggedmane
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http://www.rcvs.org.uk/news-and-events/news/kent-vet-suspended-for-dishonest-certification/
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/news-and-events/news/kent-vet-suspended-for-dishonest-certification/
seems to have been quite an unlucky practice
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/news-and-events/news/kent-vet-suspended-for-dishonest-certification/
seems to have been quite an unlucky practice
EAST KENT
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As said..CASE DISMISSED.Now it is up to those of you who purchased dud horses to provide tangible evidence is`nt it? Now,I bought a cob mare off another dealer in Kent..oh so quiet when I tried it..and oh so different once back home. I do believe it was drugged at viewing ..but I cannot PROVE it..she was sold on at a loss. Had I taken it up it would have been laughed out of court.Animals are not machines are they,buy with your eyes in the back of your head.One tip,the dealer usually emphasises how good the animal is in the aspect it is bad in..in that case napping, in another napping and spinning plus being unloadable.Yes it loaded to get it home,funny how droopy it`s bottom lip was though! I have bought two horses vetted by David,both are wonderful and exactly what it said on the tin, and neither were the two duds mentioned.
hoggedmane
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Actually I won a court case against the dealer but they wriggle and ignore the law and I didn't get my money back. Hence I do feel I have something to say.
benson21
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Lucky you. Just because you have had a good experience with him does not mean that happens for everyone.
EAST KENT
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I would warn you that you are sailing close to the wind on the libel front,there is a limit on how much you can say in law .NOTHING is proved,so far no charges have been brought..you should remember this and tread carefully.
MrsB
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Thanks for the advice to everyone I don't need warning, thanks.
I don't need warning, thanks.MrsB
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Oh dear, state the facts and then get told off!
benson21
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Isnt it always the way.
lizziehb
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It seems if you read the RCVS statement that they were quite on the side of the vet - they say in no uncertain terms that the clients were lying!
EAST KENT
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Pressurised by the rspca and wanted to avoid prosecution themselves most probably,but yes,their case was full of holes.
cptrayes
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Interesting argument
Do you also think that any drunk girl stupid enough to go back to a guys flat with him deserves to be raped? Or anyone who forgets to shut a window deserves to be burgled?
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EAST KENT
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So,just supposing these crocks that were vetted as fine had actually been given a shot a couple of days before vetting? Drugs can easily be obtained ,the vet is`nt to know.If it was a five stage vetting though..are`nt blood samples taken and stored? All I CAN tell you is that THAT drug is not on the shelf of that practice.As said..no one is guilty until proved so . Until any charges do surface it seems better and fairer to shut up .
HappyHooves
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What drug is "THAT drug" or did I miss something?
And you know what's on the shelves? How interesting!
lizziehb
New User
Just realised no one actually put the result on this thread, just the charges
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/document-library/smith-david-e-may-2012-decision-on-fitness-to-practice/
Worth a read.
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/document-library/smith-david-e-may-2012-decision-on-fitness-to-practice/
Worth a read.
MrsB
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Hmmm, so just wondering East Kent as you seem to know what's on the shelves... I'm one of those "stupid people" that foolishly trusted a vet to carry out a vetting... I can't say exactly what he failed on in case once again, I get told off for stating the facts...
Dovorian
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The 'rumours' about this vet have been going on for ages locally! I know of a few instances which may be 'questionable' in the eyes of some folk, but also many who think he is realistic when dealing with large animals. He actually trusts the judgement of owners which I think is quite rare, but I admit this relates to larger stock - cattle horses etc.
EastKent - how on earth do you know what drugs Mr Smith has?
We can all choose which vet to use, it is a business relationship after all. And no, he isn't my vet!
EastKent - how on earth do you know what drugs Mr Smith has?
We can all choose which vet to use, it is a business relationship after all. And no, he isn't my vet!
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Toffee44
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I have used this vet, and his practice. But luckily never needed mroe than jabs. But have heard of another vet locally, who again had rumours about a false pass 5* that was never proven, words can be horrible things.
There has always been rumours about David, and that there have been rumours about docking before this one. Just because people think its wrong to dock a dog doesnt mean the vet was 100% wrong to do so. Many of those against docking which they now have their way with law, dont see injurys on working dogs however the law is the law.
Innocent until proven guilty.
There has always been rumours about David, and that there have been rumours about docking before this one. Just because people think its wrong to dock a dog doesnt mean the vet was 100% wrong to do so. Many of those against docking which they now have their way with law, dont see injurys on working dogs however the law is the law.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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