Kentucky XC

[BunnyDog]

From friends of friends, Fleeceworks Royal might have a dislocated pastern. Surgery options to be considered over the next couple days.

And yes we can have peaks on helmets here in the USA for XC. Not illegal under our national rules or FEI.

Emporium's owner/rider commented further in some posts that he had a shoe caught on the throat latch of the bridle. It caused him to full on panic and that's why he was sedated for the roughly half mile trip to the vet. They didn't change anything about how he was lying as they wanted to xray, get doctors involved before trying to move his body, since he couldn't rise on his own. (Which is what I heard from friends in KY. I am not there though, so could be a few variations of the truth as the rumor mill kicks in)

Em

 

[Squeak]

From friends of friends, Fleeceworks Royal might have a dislocated pastern. Surgery options to be considered over the next couple days.

And yes we can have peaks on helmets here in the USA for XC. Not illegal under our national rules or FEI.

Emporium's owner/rider commented further in some posts that he had a shoe caught on the throat latch of the bridle. It caused him to full on panic and that's why he was sedated for the roughly half mile trip to the vet. They didn't change anything about how he was lying as they wanted to xray, get doctors involved before trying to move his body, since he couldn't rise on his own. (Which is what I heard from friends in KY. I am not there though, so could be a few variations of the truth as the rumor mill kicks in)

Em

Thank you for the update. Crossing everything for fleeceworks Royal, unlucky to get an injury like that knocking a fence.

What a freak accident for Emporium! I’d assumed it would have been the martingale or something he’d got stuck in. How on earth did he get stuck on the throatlash?!

 

[Tiddlypom]

Promising update from Kentucky a few minutes ago about the two injured horses.

Final updates on horses Fleeceworks Royal and Emporium competing in the CCI5*-L at the Land Rover Kentucky Three-Day Event presented by MARS EQUESTRIAN™

Fleeceworks Royal, ridden by Tamra Smith, had an injury to the left, front foot during the cross country phase of the competition. The horse was transported Hagyard Equine Medical Institute where surgeons determined that the best course of treatment would be surgical stabilization of the left front pastern. The surgery was performed last night and the procedure and recovery were both successful. The horse is currently resting comfortably at the hospital.

Emporium, ridden by Ashlynn Meuchel, sustained a fall during the cross country competition yesterday and was transported to Hagyard Equine Medical Institute. The horse continued to improve yesterday evening. The horse is currently resting comfortable at the hospital and doctors and Ashlynn are optimistic for a full recovery.

 

[splashgirl45]

thats good news, fingers crossed for them both

 

[Supertrooper]

Really good news for both

 

[daffy44]

What a relief! I hope they both continue to improve.

 

[BunnyDog]

At the risk of gaining some ruffled feathers..... I don't know that commenting on the size of the outriders or their horses is entirely appropriate, in the way it was done here. If I had done the same about people I saw on either the Badminton live feed or Blenheim, I would expect that you all would barbecue me for insulting your fellow countrymen while many thousands of miles away. And I would likely deserve it. Moreover including a picture of one person and their horse, yes I know face was obscured, felt more wrong. I know who that person is. And I'm sure this wouldn't go over well to tell them, "Hey a bunch of folks in the UK think you're way too fat and so is your horse." Just imagine if I'd said that about one of you. There would be no way to salvage any respect for me as a person.

I believe there are better ways of discussing what is perceived is an issue, and maybe allowing for the fact that this issue may even exist in your own backyard and not just in ours. A dedicated discussion with all involved talking about the influences and causes and talking about possible ways to evoke change and help those who need the assistance, would be the most beneficial if you are concerned about it. And maybe you have done that, I just might not have seen it. But for sure the discourse of a conversation on the H&H forums would be unlikely to make it stateside without some intentional assistance.

FWIW, most of the outriders at the Kentucky Three Day are repeat riders and that is a very prestigious volunteer position to be chosen for, based largely on the sanity of the horses. Our hunt season ends on April 1st and given the extended winter closer to KY that happened this year, I would think many of those hunts stopped earlier than that. As such my point being they could have been given a holiday and allowed some time to just enjoy their fields for a bit. They don't have to be fit again until cubbing season in September and the bluegrass has just started to become quite lush. Standing at the Kentucky Horse Park and being quiet for 8 hours is not exactly a job you would want to leg up and be super fit for. They need to be half asleep all day, and only respond in the most unlikely conditions.

We have had a LOT of discussions over here about "fat shaming" and though I am not obese, I feel for riders who have health challenges that have changed their physique. For riders who have had bouts with depression or life changes that affected their ability to be as trim as they might have been before, or even those with the less than super model DNA who have always fought to be lighter and it's been a continual challenge. And don't get me started on all the things that we know can cause a horse to store too much weight.

Respectfully, my only point is that judging others from a few minutes of video and condemning their appearance and existence without knowing a thing about the challenges they face in life is not the kindest thing. But for sure discussions about how we can improve obesity in humans and horses should be discussed. But maybe with a bit more intention and respect to the difficulties that are a part of the issue.

Many thanks for listening.

Emily

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Honestly, people here will call out an overweight horse and/or rider regardless of their nationality. I know the same thing would've been said if this were Badminton. So I think you're off there.

It's hard though, because it's a topic you have to handle with ovenmits. At the same time, stating a horse is overweight, when it is, is a true fact. People can say it. It can be a huge welfare issue. So we can't ignore it or avoid it, but also shouldn't be rude about it, but like I said, it's hard.

 

[Nicnac]

I didn't see anything about obese riders - just overweight horses but may have missed something? It definitely wasn't a pop at Americans specifically.

On another note - thoughts on Boyd Martin's trot up outfit? Rather bizarre for an Australian

 

[BunnyDog]

I didn't see anything about obese riders - just overweight horses but may have missed something? It definitely wasn't a pop at Americans specifically.

On another note - thoughts on Boyd Martin's trot up outfit? Rather bizarre for an Australian

The obese comments were on pages 2-with pic at top of page 3.



Boyd is dual citizen and rides for America. But has always had dual citizenship thanks to an American mother and Australian Father.

Em

 

[Nicnac]

The obese comments were on pages 2-with pic at top of page 3.

Ah ok may have missed those

Boyd is dual citizen and rides for America. But has always had dual citizenship thanks to an American mother and Australian Father.

I know - it was a joke hence the emojis!

Em

 

[teapot]

Overweight horses is a huge, topical subject in the UK currently, and we’d be the first to notice it on our own turf too.

Am I allowed to say the crowd clapping and cheering half way through a sj round is something that doesn’t here nearly as much too?

 

[Michen]

At the risk of gaining some ruffled feathers..... I don't know that commenting on the size of the outriders or their horses is entirely appropriate, in the way it was done here. If I had done the same about people I saw on either the Badminton live feed or Blenheim, I would expect that you all would barbecue me for insulting your fellow countrymen while many thousands of miles away. And I would likely deserve it. Moreover including a picture of one person and their horse, yes I know face was obscured, felt more wrong. I know who that person is. And I'm sure this wouldn't go over well to tell them, "Hey a bunch of folks in the UK think you're way too fat and so is your horse." Just imagine if I'd said that about one of you. There would be no way to salvage any respect for me as a person.

I believe there are better ways of discussing what is perceived is an issue, and maybe allowing for the fact that this issue may even exist in your own backyard and not just in ours. A dedicated discussion with all involved talking about the influences and causes and talking about possible ways to evoke change and help those who need the assistance, would be the most beneficial if you are concerned about it. And maybe you have done that, I just might not have seen it. But for sure the discourse of a conversation on the H&H forums would be unlikely to make it stateside without some intentional assistance.

FWIW, most of the outriders at the Kentucky Three Day are repeat riders and that is a very prestigious volunteer position to be chosen for, based largely on the sanity of the horses. Our hunt season ends on April 1st and given the extended winter closer to KY that happened this year, I would think many of those hunts stopped earlier than that. As such my point being they could have been given a holiday and allowed some time to just enjoy their fields for a bit. They don't have to be fit again until cubbing season in September and the bluegrass has just started to become quite lush. Standing at the Kentucky Horse Park and being quiet for 8 hours is not exactly a job you would want to leg up and be super fit for. They need to be half asleep all day, and only respond in the most unlikely conditions.

We have had a LOT of discussions over here about "fat shaming" and though I am not obese, I feel for riders who have health challenges that have changed their physique. For riders who have had bouts with depression or life changes that affected their ability to be as trim as they might have been before, or even those with the less than super model DNA who have always fought to be lighter and it's been a continual challenge. And don't get me started on all the things that we know can cause a horse to store too much weight.

Respectfully, my only point is that judging others from a few minutes of video and condemning their appearance and existence without knowing a thing about the challenges they face in life is not the kindest thing. But for sure discussions about how we can improve obesity in humans and horses should be discussed. But maybe with a bit more intention and respect to the difficulties that are a part of the issue.

Many thanks for listening.

Emily

I don't see what it has to do with nationality whatsoever- we have the same issues here. I'd have said the same if it was a pic from Badders. There were some obese riders, on obese horses in the background shots of Kentucky.

I don't see why we should tip toe around the issue as it is a real problem, everywhere.

I personally wouldn't have screenshotted and posted a photo of a specific combination nor was it necessary as there was more than one, but I don't see the issue in commenting on it. We should not be setting an example of that being the norm to thousands of viewers, IMO.

 

[BunnyDog]

Overweight horses is a huge, topical subject in the UK currently, and we’d be the first to notice it on our own turf too.

Am I allowed to say the crowd clapping and cheering half way through a sj round is something that doesn’t here nearly as much too?

If it was for Vandiver, that's because the rider announced last night on social media that he will be retiring from upper level competitions after this event. His groom will now get to ride him at the lower levels.

I don't see what it has to do with nationality whatsoever. I'd have said the same if it was a pic from Badders. There were some obese riders, on obese horses in the background shots of Kentucky.

I don't see why we should tip toe around the issue as it is a real problem, everywhere.

I think there's a difference between wanting to work on an issue tactfully and with the goal of improving things, and posting a picture of a person half a world away to then point out their failings when they don't know that you're doing so.


Em

 

[ihatework]

I’m with you bunny dog on posting a photo of a volunteer. That’s not cool.

But I’m totally on board with calling out the multiple very obese horses (and some jockeys) at Kentucky. Poor management of hunt horses and whilst there are multiple reasons for people being overweight, having a reason doesn’t give you carte Blanche to ride a horse.

I think if you were more actively involved in other forums here you would appreciate what a hot topic this is in the UK and we certainly have more than our fair share of the quota and call it out.

On that topic there were a couple of elite jockeys at Kentucky that IMO were far too weighty for the job they were doing.

 

[HashRouge]

At the risk of gaining some ruffled feathers..... I don't know that commenting on the size of the outriders or their horses is entirely appropriate, in the way it was done here. If I had done the same about people I saw on either the Badminton live feed or Blenheim, I would expect that you all would barbecue me for insulting your fellow countrymen while many thousands of miles away. And I would likely deserve it. Moreover including a picture of one person and their horse, yes I know face was obscured, felt more wrong. I know who that person is. And I'm sure this wouldn't go over well to tell them, "Hey a bunch of folks in the UK think you're way too fat and so is your horse." Just imagine if I'd said that about one of you. There would be no way to salvage any respect for me as a person.

I believe there are better ways of discussing what is perceived is an issue, and maybe allowing for the fact that this issue may even exist in your own backyard and not just in ours. A dedicated discussion with all involved talking about the influences and causes and talking about possible ways to evoke change and help those who need the assistance, would be the most beneficial if you are concerned about it. And maybe you have done that, I just might not have seen it. But for sure the discourse of a conversation on the H&H forums would be unlikely to make it stateside without some intentional assistance.

FWIW, most of the outriders at the Kentucky Three Day are repeat riders and that is a very prestigious volunteer position to be chosen for, based largely on the sanity of the horses. Our hunt season ends on April 1st and given the extended winter closer to KY that happened this year, I would think many of those hunts stopped earlier than that. As such my point being they could have been given a holiday and allowed some time to just enjoy their fields for a bit. They don't have to be fit again until cubbing season in September and the bluegrass has just started to become quite lush. Standing at the Kentucky Horse Park and being quiet for 8 hours is not exactly a job you would want to leg up and be super fit for. They need to be half asleep all day, and only respond in the most unlikely conditions.

We have had a LOT of discussions over here about "fat shaming" and though I am not obese, I feel for riders who have health challenges that have changed their physique. For riders who have had bouts with depression or life changes that affected their ability to be as trim as they might have been before, or even those with the less than super model DNA who have always fought to be lighter and it's been a continual challenge. And don't get me started on all the things that we know can cause a horse to store too much weight.

Respectfully, my only point is that judging others from a few minutes of video and condemning their appearance and existence without knowing a thing about the challenges they face in life is not the kindest thing. But for sure discussions about how we can improve obesity in humans and horses should be discussed. But maybe with a bit more intention and respect to the difficulties that are a part of the issue.

Many thanks for listening.

Emily

In fairness, I don't think anyone commented on the weight of the lady in the photo, just her horse. One poster made an entirely separate comment about the weight of some of the riders, but not targeting the rider in the photo. And the horse pictured was extremely fat, which is really not a good advertisement when it comes to horse welfare.

You seem to have taken the comments as a bit of a personal attack on the USA. It's really not that at all - this forum is extremely outspoken about obesity in horses, and there have been plenty of threads specifically about obese horses in the UK (especially in the showing world). There was one about a HOYs champion not too long ago https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/...lame-and-obese-pony-can-be-a-champion.810860/

As for the issue of rider weight. Well, like you I really don't agree with fat shaming. But I feel like riding a horse you are too heavy for is a serious welfare issue and we shouldn't be afraid to mention it just because some people might be offended.

 

[Michen]

If it was for Vandiver, that's because the rider announced last night on social media that he will be retiring from upper level competitions after this event. His groom will now get to ride him at the lower levels.



I think there's a difference between wanting to work on an issue tactfully and with the goal of improving things, and posting a picture of a person half a world away to then point out their failings when they don't know that you're doing so.


Em

Like I said, I personally don't agree with the posting of the photo.

But I have no problem pointing out that there was a showcase of obese riders and horses. It is a welfare issue, we shouldn't skirt around it when it compromises the welfare of the horse. You only have to read on here to see the dedication from those who have to stop riding their horses or do groundwork etc so that they can get light enough for their horse.

 

[Michen]

If it was for Vandiver, that's because the rider announced last night on social media that he will be retiring from upper level competitions after this event. His groom will now get to ride him at the lower levels.



I think there's a difference between wanting to work on an issue tactfully and with the goal of improving things, and posting a picture of a person half a world away to then point out their failings when they don't know that you're doing so.


Em

They are all cheering with 3 fences left to jump, not just for one horse.

 

[OrangeAndLemon]

Deleted, answered my own question

 

[ihatework]

Does anyone know what time the SJ starts? Or have I missed it?

On now. Final 15ish still to go

 

[BunnyDog]

They are all cheering with 3 fences left to jump, not just for one horse.

They do cheer for those who survive the triple.

But I am not there. I can only guess.

Em

 

[teapot]

If it was for Vandiver, that's because the rider announced last night on social media that he will be retiring from upper level competitions after this event. His groom will now get to ride him at the lower levels.

Nope, it’s every time someone goes through the combination. Just very odd and could have huge impact…

Re posting the photo of the volunteer. Not sure what the right answer is given it would have been seen by anyone watching the live stream! Many of those horses were overweight and does nothing for the sport as a look.

 

[clinkerbuilt]

Calmaro's round was lovely to see.

 

[Michen]

Yay Pippa

 

[Supertrooper]

Brilliant Pip

Love her as a rider and for how honest she is

 

[IrishMilo]

I've just read Pippa's autobiography and it was absolutely brilliant. It's well worth a read.

 

[Supertrooper]

Yes I enjoyed it also

She’s now in 6th with Maybach so climbed up a bit

 

[Supertrooper]

????? for Yasmin

 

[ester]

I might be imagining it but am pretty sure comment has been passed on some of the Badminton steward horses in the past.

 

[ihatework]

Cracking job Yas.
Id give her a place at WEG