Kentucky XC

[st_marks]

Does the xc need to be tougher to even get the likes of MJ thinking?

I know you're just chatting but I want to point out that each 5* has its own place in the ecosystem of the sport. There's no need to make every XC as beefy as Badminton. There were only three riders clear and inside the time in the KY 5* so I don't think we can say XC was too easy across the board. I saw some seriously alarming XC riding, and not only from US riders. And the 4*, which had no UK or EU entrants, was complete carnage. Yasmin's riding compared to the riding of some of our younger US riders really shows how strong the opportunities and infrastructure in the UK is compared to the US... KY is PLENTY difficult for 99% of entrants.

Jung is a once-in-a-generation rider. When someone like that comes along we can accept them with grace, celebrate them, and learn from them, or go the route gymnastics did with Simone Biles and change things to try to take them down a notch. I'm glad that a whole host of US riders and spectators have gotten to see MJ over the years at KY. A rising tide lifts all boats - he is elevating the entire sport with his excellence, and changing events to challenge Jung alone would honestly endanger other riders.

 

[Clodagh]

Watching MJ ride is just poetry. He is so amazing, I don’t think anyone else currently competing comes close.

 

[TheMule]

I know you're just chatting but I want to point out that each 5* has its own place in the ecosystem of the sport. There's no need to make every XC as beefy as Badminton. There were only three riders clear and inside the time in the KY 5* so I don't think we can say XC was too easy across the board. I saw some seriously alarming XC riding, and not only from US riders. And the 4*, which had no UK or EU entrants, was complete carnage. Yasmin's riding compared to the riding of some of our younger US riders really shows how strong the opportunities and infrastructure in the UK is compared to the US... KY is PLENTY difficult for 99% of entrants.

Jung is a once-in-a-generation rider. When someone like that comes along we can accept them with grace, celebrate them, and learn from them, or go the route gymnastics did with Simone Biles and change things to try to take them down a notch. I'm glad that a whole host of US riders and spectators have gotten to see MJ over the years at KY. A rising tide lifts all boats - he is elevating the entire sport with his excellence, and changing events to challenge Jung alone would honestly endanger other riders.

Really well put, thank you ?

 

[ihatework]

I know you're just chatting but I want to point out that each 5* has its own place in the ecosystem of the sport. There's no need to make every XC as beefy as Badminton. There were only three riders clear and inside the time in the KY 5* so I don't think we can say XC was too easy across the board. I saw some seriously alarming XC riding, and not only from US riders. And the 4*, which had no UK or EU entrants, was complete carnage. Yasmin's riding compared to the riding of some of our younger US riders really shows how strong the opportunities and infrastructure in the UK is compared to the US... KY is PLENTY difficult for 99% of entrants.

Jung is a once-in-a-generation rider. When someone like that comes along we can accept them with grace, celebrate them, and learn from them, or go the route gymnastics did with Simone Biles and change things to try to take them down a notch. I'm glad that a whole host of US riders and spectators have gotten to see MJ over the years at KY. A rising tide lifts all boats - he is elevating the entire sport with his excellence, and changing events to challenge Jung alone would honestly endanger other riders.

Spot on!
You only need to look at Sarah’s round on Corouet, an experienced rider on a classy horse to see how it can really not go to plan!!

 

[BunnyDog]

There's a running joke between my hubby and myself that I am the "bad luck" charm for Michi Jung.

He posed with me in a pic in 2018, the year he was 2nd on Roxie.

Ever since, if I am not near him, he wins.

Ha ha ha.

Em

Em

 

[Northern Hare]

I've been catching up on the Kentucky 4* XC this evening (on H&C+), which I'm really enjoying.

Before the 1st fence, the course forked left for the 5* and right for the 4*. Two riders took the left fork in error and jumped the 5* first fence then presumably realised their error (perhaps lack of spectators?) before returning back down the 5* course, and turning sharp left onto the 4* course and jumping the 4* first fence and carrying on.

I must admit I thought that may mean elimination for jumping the wrong fence (although they did then jump the correct 4* first fence), but it sounded as if they wouldn't be penalised.

Does anyone know how that would be penalised please - they would presumably have picked up lots of times penalties? ?

 

[Cragrat]

I know you're just chatting but I want to point out that each 5* has its own place in the ecosystem of the sport. There's no need to make every XC as beefy as Badminton. There were only three riders clear and inside the time in the KY 5* so I don't think we can say XC was too easy across the board. I saw some seriously alarming XC riding, and not only from US riders. And the 4*, which had no UK or EU entrants, was complete carnage. Yasmin's riding compared to the riding of some of our younger US riders really shows how strong the opportunities and infrastructure in the UK is compared to the US... KY is PLENTY difficult for 99% of entrants.

Jung is a once-in-a-generation rider. When someone like that comes along we can accept them with grace, celebrate them, and learn from them, or go the route gymnastics did with Simone Biles and change things to try to take them down a notch. I'm glad that a whole host of US riders and spectators have gotten to see MJ over the years at KY. A rising tide lifts all boats - he is elevating the entire sport with his excellence, and changing events to challenge Jung alone would honestly endanger other riders.

Perfectly well put

 

[BunnyDog]

I've been catching up on the Kentucky 4* XC this evening (on H&C+), which I'm really enjoying.

Before the 1st fence, the course forked left for the 5* and right for the 4*. Two riders took the left fork in error and jumped the 5* first fence then presumably realised their error (perhaps lack of spectators?) before returning back down the 5* course, and turning sharp left onto the 4* course and jumping the 4* first fence and carrying on.

I must admit I thought that may mean elimination for jumping the wrong fence (although they did then jump the correct 4* first fence), but it sounded as if they wouldn't be penalised.

Does anyone know how that would be penalised please - they would presumably have picked up lots of times penalties? ?

Here's the 4* Leaderboard with scoresheet up top. I don't see any penalties listed. I didn't see it happen though so not sure who to look up. https://kentuckythreedayevent.com/leaderboard4/

Em

 

[shortstuff99]

I've been catching up on the Kentucky 4* XC this evening (on H&C+), which I'm really enjoying.

Before the 1st fence, the course forked left for the 5* and right for the 4*. Two riders took the left fork in error and jumped the 5* first fence then presumably realised their error (perhaps lack of spectators?) before returning back down the 5* course, and turning sharp left onto the 4* course and jumping the 4* first fence and carrying on.

I must admit I thought that may mean elimination for jumping the wrong fence (although they did then jump the correct 4* first fence), but it sounded as if they wouldn't be penalised.

Does anyone know how that would be penalised please - they would presumably have picked up lots of times penalties? ?

As long as they jump their course fences in order it doesn't matter if they jump random other ones just wasted time/ energy. The only reason most get eliminated is they jump the wrong fence instead of the their one and then jump their next fence. Or they have to cross lines as part of an ABC fence to correct themselves and get penalties.

 

[Northern Hare]

Here's the 4* Leaderboard with scoresheet up top. I don't see any penalties listed. I didn't see it happen though so not sure who to look up. https://kentuckythreedayevent.com/leaderboard4/

Em

Thanks very much! I'll have a quick rewind to see if I can find the riders names - both were apparently going to be in the 5* so I guess that's what led to the mistake. Thanks again for the link! ?

 

[BunnyDog]

As long as they jump their course fences in order it doesn't matter if they jump random other ones just wasted time/ energy. The only reason most get eliminated is they jump the wrong fence instead of the their one and then jump their next fence. Or they have to cross lines as part of an ABC fence to correct themselves and get penalties.

Ok so full disclosure I am not up on FEI rules so not sure if it's the same. BUT..... for our national rules, you cannot jump a fence above the level that you are competing at.

Asking around to see if folks here know an answer.

Em

 

[Northern Hare]

As long as they jump their course fences in order it doesn't matter if they jump random other ones just wasted time/ energy. The only reason most get eliminated is they jump the wrong fence instead of the their one and then jump their next fence. Or they have to cross lines as part of an ABC fence to correct themselves and get penalties.

That's great - thanks very much for your explanation! They definitely clocked up a lot of time penalties, but they jumped two different first jumps, so they didn't get eliminated. Thanks again! ?

 

[Northern Hare]

Ok so full disclosure I am not up on FEI rules so not sure if it's the same. BUT..... for our national rules, you cannot jump a fence above the level that you are competing at.

Asking around to see if folks here know an answer.

Em

Thanks Em! I’ve just checked back, the first rider to jump both 1st fences was the second rider on the 4* course, Will Coleman on Chin Tonic HS No. 102. Looking at the scorecard, he didn’t get any jumping penalties at Jump 1. ?

 

[shortstuff99]

Ok so full disclosure I am not up on FEI rules so not sure if it's the same. BUT..... for our national rules, you cannot jump a fence above the level that you are competing at.

Asking around to see if folks here know an answer.

Em

I checked BE rules and you get eliminated if you jump a jump that has crossed flags in front of it (ie not in use) but not if it doesn't.

I imagine would be similar ish for FEI?

I'm also not sure if they definitely jumped the first fence or not as it was never shown on tv only that they had ridden up the wrong way.

 

[shortstuff99]

Found it!

If the jump hasn't had flags crossed in front then not penalised for jumping!

 

[Honey08]

Brilliant photo!
My husband has a similar thing with Zara Phillips- every time he comes to an event she falls off at the fence before the one we are at! I hope she doesn’t read this or he might end up in the tower!

There's a running joke between my hubby and myself that I am the "bad luck" charm for Michi Jung.

He posed with me in a pic in 2018, the year he was 2nd on Roxie.

Ever since, if I am not near him, he wins.

Ha ha ha.

Em

EmView attachment 91956

 

[Northern Hare]

Found it!

If the jump hasn't had flags crossed in front then not penalised for jumping!

View attachment 91967

That’s great, thanks - no crossed flags, so no penalty!

Screen grab below…

 

[BunnyDog]

Many great answers here on the thread I started to get answers.

https://forum.chronofhorse.com/t/ky-4-question/772240

Em

 

[Northern Hare]

Many great answers here on the thread I started to get answers.

https://forum.chronofhorse.com/t/ky-4-question/772240

Em

Thanks very much for posting on COTH, I really enjoyed reading through your thread and also the Kentucky XC thread - I couldn't put it down and now it's somehow 2.30am in the morning here! ?

 

[YorkshireLady]

see re crossed flags I read that rule that even if no flags then you would be elim?

 

[Velcrobum]

I was somewhat surprised that fence 1 on the 5* course did not have crossed flags especially as the 4* fence 1 did have crossed flags when the 5* was running. According to 2022 rules as both competitors turned round before the second fence, returned to jump the correct first fence there was no error of course. If they had jumped the second fence it would have been compulsory elimination as that would have been an un-corrected error of course. The screen grabbed rules shown above are out of date (2018)

I would screen grab the current rules but I am a computer numpty and do not know how!!

 

[Escapade]

see re crossed flags I read that rule that even if no flags then you would be elim?

Me too, but on second look the screenshot above is of show jumping rules so they don’t apply

 

[shortstuff99]

I found the 2022 fei eventing rules and this is all they have for error of course