Kiddnapped horse!

amymay said:
If that's the case - simply pay the disputed bill. Damn site cheaper than going to court.
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Yes, that's what a few of us have been saying. Also it appears the livery bill is going up by the day as long as YO has the mare, increasing the debt.

Pay the money OP and get your horse. You can fight the right and wrongs later if you want to, but I suspect solicitors and a court case will be much more than £800. Plus it would take months before you got your horse back. :(
 
FionaM12 said:
Yes, that's what a few of us have been saying. Also it appears the livery bill is going up by the day as long as YO has the mare, increasing the debt.

Pay the money OP and get your horse. You can fight the right and wrongs later if you want to, but I suspect solicitors and a court case will be much more than £800. Plus it would take months before you got your horse back. :(
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Assuming the post is all true and that she has already paid the bill, simply paying up to get the horse back will send out totally the wrong message and leave the YO free to do it all over again to someone else....!!!! If the OP can afford to take this to court (and can verify that the mare is being cared for properly in the meantime) then she should.

Nightmare situation though (if true).
 
Bite the bullet, pay the disputed money and 'make sure' everyone is aware of this yards methods of 'doing one' on their liveries.. I certainly wouldn't want to be on a yard that if they don't like you, pull stunts like this, not good for business (who's to say they're not going around telling some right porkies about the mare's owners?)..
Get your horse back, and take her to small claims court to get your money back after.
 
Wow. This story is bizarre.

I feel some proleptic-disappointment that we'll probably never know the 'truth', but here's hoping...

At least it's not boring. :-D
 
I'm a cynical old hag but I'd be quite frankly amazed if there were a horse, a YO, a yard, a padlock or even a husband. Brand new poster who reads like a 13yo girl (with apologies to those 13yo girls who can spell & type); a second 1-time poster logging on in support who also had similar happen to them after four months - blimey, four months is a dangerous time in the world of horse ownership, isn't it?! - drip-drip-drip-feeding, wildly inaccurate understanding of police law and procedure yadda yadda yadda. Trip trap trip trap.

I smell s***, and not of the horse variety.
 
Does seem a bit messed up, Ive never known a yard owner to confiscate any animal unless there was a good lump of livery unpaid or the horse was abandoned.

I dont think yard owners want the hassal of another mouth to feed and another stable to clean unless there was a clear matter of principal involved.

If this YO has done this without monies being owed it is theft, a dasdardly act. Either way it wouldnt go unresolved before nightfall if it was my horse.
 
HMMMM.... She wouldnt be the first parent who thought (wrongly) that by her kiddy hanging around the stable all day long that she was "working" the livery fee off ! Pay your bill, get nag back. Simple. Keeping horses especially on full livery costs.
 
frozzy said:
HMMMM.... She wouldnt be the first parent who thought (wrongly) that by her kiddy hanging around the stable all day long that she was "working" the livery fee off ! Pay your bill, get nag back. Simple. Keeping horses especially on full livery costs.
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But why? Unless you have had the YO actually say they are working the bill off, i highly doubt it would be the case....
 
Hi again. I'm the one time poster referred to a few posts back who was in a similar situation as the op a while back. Been watching the thread to see if the op posted on what the outcome was. I would just like to confirm that i WAS in a similar situation as there seems to be some doubt over my story. I only joined this forum recently and yes, my first post was in support of the op but due to the lack of info coming from the op, i am also like a lot of you pretty sceptical as to whether it is true. I got my pony back from the livery yard that were keeping here and i wasn't going to give her up without a fight!!! Just wanted to let you all know that i am a genuine poster and hopefully in time as i post more often this will be realised!! Thanks for reading!!
 
OMG what a situation. I'd be furious. Like others have said...

Do you have a livery contract?
How have you been paying the YO - DD, SO, cash, cheque? In other words can you prove you have been paying?
Do you have your horse's passport?
Did your daughter have any sort of contract?

I think a good starting point would be if you can prove ownership of the horse and that you have been paying the YO.
 
SNORKEY said:
I work for the police, and tbh it is a civil matter. At the end of the day the yard owner has ceased goods (the horse) as they believe they are owed money. You need to contact the RSPCA, not that their any good, and make them aware you concerned for the horses welfare, call the BHS for advice and a solicitor. If things get ugly, ie. threats or you want police present whilst you attend the yard to prevent any breech of the peace then they will help you.
If you don't owe this person anything then you could say the horse has been stolen, but as soon as police realise the other lady is saying you owe money it does become civil.
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To me its just theft, and i would take the door off the hinges to get my horse out of there, and flatten anyone who tried to stop me..... That said im not sure this is no more than a wind up thread :rolleyes:
 
I actually think they were hoping for sympathy..to be quickly followed by kind hearted people offering paypal money to get mare out.
 
ant121 said:
it truly is, my daughter me and my husband haven't slept since it happed, its awful but were getting closer to finding out where she is and we are sending a vet to check her and to see if shes fine.
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But you said they moved the horse and you don't know where it is?
 
Well, if they are genuine, then I would be reporting the livery owner for theft of my horse. But the post doesnt sound right.

HOWEVER, I do know of a couple of instances where dodgey dealings have gone on.

1) People were sent a stallion to be schooled on. The people schooling it decided it was rather nice, and refused owner to see it until they paid. Except they kept adding extras to the bill. In end horse became the property of the people schooling, who then stood it at public stud.....
I was told that by a close friend of the people who were doing the schooling. Oh by the way, they were also farmers with gun lisences, who sleep in mobile homes next to stallions stables.....

2) livery, storing horsebox at livery yard, but hidden accross field out of sight.
Livery turns up to "collect" trailer, phones yard owner to say, told its too wet to cross land at moment (on clay in this rain) Decides to try anyway, gets stuck in gateway. Next communication, got stuck had to get towed out blah blah blah.....by the way livery has opened up near me, I want to move my horse asap..... antennas up, suspect that this livery was going to leg it without paying, especially with a few of the lies that followed

It happens people, both ways.
 
This actually has me quite worried. I keep two of my horses on somebody else's yard, if this situation happened could the yard owner really keep them? Although I would really like to see her try!
 
b1ackhorse said:
This actually has me quite worried. I keep two of my horses on somebody else's yard, if this situation happened could the yard owner really keep them? Although I would really like to see her try!
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If a bill remains unpaid and outstanding, yes a yard owner can take a lien out on your horse(s) in order to recoup payment.

Pay your bills, and you'll be fine.
 
b1ackhorse said:
This actually has me quite worried. I keep two of my horses on somebody else's yard, if this situation happened could the yard owner really keep them? Although I would really like to see her try!
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Keep up payments hopefully via bacs payment, get receipts or invoices aswell, and if you don't have a contract already have the yard draw one up. If they refused take your horse out of there.
 
on our yard the YO locks up all tack/rugs/etc and tells the owner to remove the horse immediately and only when the bill is paid will she release the tack and things.
if we don't pay up then we don't get access to things until it's paid. that's a fairer way of doing things rather than keeping the horse, upping a bill and still not getting your money.
 
riding_high said:
if we don't pay up then we don't get access to things until it's paid. that's a fairer way of doing things rather than keeping the horse, upping a bill and still not getting your money.
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But of course the fairest thing is to obviously pay your bill in the first place.
 
TrasaM said:
Oh er!
I opened this thread thinking that there were some evil enterprising peeps taking horses and then sending ransom notes using words cut out of magazines, saying "pay up or the pony gets it". :rolleyes:

As far as I know you cannot hold on to someone's possessions because they owe you money. Thats commonly known as theft.
You have to prove in a court of law that money is owed first and then lay claim to property to recoup the debt. Nor is it possible to sell someone's property to recoup dept unless ownership has first been transferred. Nemo dat quod non habet, and all that sort of thing..
It could be feasible that an order of some sort has been obtained to retain possession until court decides. However I don't think any additional costs incurred during this time could not be added to any monies already owed.

Trying hard to imagine this situation occurring :confused: but, who knows, there are some strange people about.
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Just by way of interest a yard owner can claim a 'lein' against money owed by a livery client. Here, the YO retains the horse - but herein lies the paradox.....the yard owner must prove they have 'improved' the horse whilst it is in their care, for them to claim this against livery fees owed. Improvement can be open to interpretation but it is possible for a YO to 'retain' the horse.
 
Well I know of a stitustion when an owner came and get his horse off a Horsebox at a show while trainer was in making entries. Only heard one side and that was of the trainer. He said owner owed him about 20k. The whole thing was rather fishy about the money owed to him. I mean really, who is going to let a bill run that high thinking they'll get paid? You can't be that stupid. There were no real bills either. I know horse is still with owner and he got a replacement passport. He was down as owner for everything. Trainer went to police and tried dealing with the passport issuing authorities. He didn't have a leg to stand on with any of them. I can't say for sure who was right or wrong but it was all a little weird.

I take horses for clients for starting. And now only if I really know the people. And I do checks! But it's 4 weeks up front. Before continuing on we assess where horses are and get another 2 up front. Then the balance is due when leaving. At least at this point if they try and screw us we've been mostly paid. Nothing like getting a horse started, riding, and safe and then paid what someone decides is enough. Despite them knowing what you charge. Can you tell I'm going on my experience here? Lessons learned thank you. If people make excuses for why they can't pay, work on the horse stops. Though I will never stop caring for a horse while in my barn. Not their fault. I will just say you need to come get your horse or if really taking the P, will drive horse to them. But I really don't think using a horse as a pawn is ever the way to go.

Terri
 
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