Kiddnapped horse!

amymay said:
Yes, there most certainly is.
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I'm not doubting it, I've just never heard of one. Whoever acts for this person, I would want them to act fast as personally I'd be beside myself with worry. I can't imagine not being allowed to see Mollie or even know where she is. :eek:

Are we talking about a lot of money allegedly owed OP? :confused:
 
when i first read this thread i thought you were having a rough time op.
I think you should pay what you owe and get your horse back. the courts will take ages and involve a lot of stress and uncertainty as well as a huge bill for the care of the horse in the time it takes to reach the courts.
The first livery i was at was a nightmare, i had paid a month in advance and left two days into that month. I lost nearly £200 but i got my horse out immediately, sometimes in life you have to admit when you are beaten because its easier than locking horns .
 
You have every right to remove your horse from the yard and if you feel that there is likely to be a disturbance then the police are obliged to provide a presence to assist you in the peacefull recovery of your horse and goods.

Please find below a list of specialist equine solicitors.
(If you are a BHS Gold member then you get free legal advice from their legal helpline).

SOLICITORS – EQUINE

Actons
Tel: 0115 91002200 Caroline Bowler

Mark Carter
White Bowker Solicitors
Tel: 01962 844440
www.wandb.co.uk
mark.carter@wandb.co.uk

Helen Niebuhr
Darbys Solicitors
52 New Inn Hall Street
Oxford
OX1 2QD
Tel: 01865 811 7000
01865 811712
Fax: 01865 811 777
www.equine-law.net
E: equine@darbys.co.uk

Jaqcui Fulton Equine Law
Tel: 0121 308 5915
jf@equinelawuk.co.uk
www.equinelawuk.co.uk

Hannah Campbell (Specialise in compensation cases)
Tel: 01446 794196
www.horsesolicitor.co.uk
info@horse solicitor

Elizabeth Simpson Senior Solicitor at law firm Andrew M Jackson
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk
enquiries@andrewjackson.co.uk

David Forbes or Belinda Walkinshaw
Pickworths Solicitors
6 Victoria Street
St Albans
Hertfordshire
AL1 3JB
01727 844511

Mark de-villamar Roberts
Langleys Solicitors Equine Law Group
Tel: 01904 683051
E: mark.Roberts@langleys.com
www.equinelawyers.co.uk

Elizabeth Simpson
Senior Solicitor
Andrew Jackson
Yorkshire
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk

Richmond Solicitors
13-15 High Street
Keynsham
Bristol
BS31 1DP
Tel: 0117 986 9555
Fax: 0117 986 8680
enquiries@richmonssolicitorsco.uk

Jacqui Fulton
Giselle Robinson Solicitors

Knights Solicitors
Tunbridge Wells
Tel: 01892 537311
www.knights-solicitors.co.uk
Work with GRC Commercial Bailiffs
Senior partner very good on equine matters

Horse Solicitor
Tel: 01446 794 196
info@horsesolicitor.co.uk
www.horsesolicitor.com

www.laytons.com

Mary Ann Reay Charles or Chris Shaw
Shaw and Co Solicitors
Equine Law Specialists
Tel: 0800 019 1248
info@shawandco.com
www.shawandco.com

Arnold Thomson
205 Watling Street West
Towcester
Northants
NN12 6BX
Tel: 01327 350266
Fax: 01327 353567
www.arnoldthomson.com
enquiries@arnoldthomson.com

Tozers www.tozers.co.uk

Eleanor Temple Barrister from Kings Chambers in Leeds
Tel: 0113 242 1123
www.kingschambers.com
 
Also, the trouble with getting a specialist solicitor involved, the expense of doing so might be greater than the money owed (allegedly) surely? :confused:
 
ant121 said:
the police have said due to the fact that she (my horse) was on her yard she has every right to keep her, they have described it as if you take your car to a garage and have some work done but you are not one hundred per cent happy with it the people at the garage have the right to cease the car, but my argument was that this is a living breathing thing and the police said due to it being a civial matter they cant help that.
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personally ive never heard of a garage doing this........... normally you complain, have problem rectified, and in some cases get money off......

i doubt the garage would want to keep someones old banger....... and in NO terms could anyone other than the police/carpark wardens CEASE a car

i cant see a yard owner have the right to keep a horse, just due to the fact 'she was on her yard'
the ONLY reason that i could see someone refusing to allow a horse to LEAVE a yard is if the owner of said horse owed large amounts of livery.......

why would the YO make this up????? VERY odd thing to do, even if they wanted to get money out of you.....

edit: the car may be given over in payment of cost for job, but then garage would pay back what the worth of the car was.....

when i say refusing to allow a horse to leave the yard, it doesnt mean owners cant see/ride etc the horse....it just cant leave the premisis....normally owners hand over horse as way of paying off bill
 
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This has more holes in it than swiss cheese!!!!

OP who ever is feeding you this police nonsense doesn't have a clue, your horse has effectively been stolen, taking without your permission regardless of you owning money.

How much does YO say you owe and what for? Please answer this as until you do nobody is going to take you seriously. If someone took my boy I'd be scaling the gates and walls of where I thought they would be and even if I have to go through everyfence with a set of wire cutters he would be in my possession.

I honestly at this point think that this is a total wind up as the toss that is getting replied just makes no sense nor does it seem to follow law.
 
TandD said:
personally ive never heard of a garage doing this........... normally you complain, have problem rectified, and in some cases get money off......

i doubt the garage would want to keep someones old banger....... and in NO terms could anyone other than the police/carpark wardens CEASE a car
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Actually, a garage did exactly this to my ex husband. :o They did the work on his car, then realised he was a bad payment risk and refused to let him collect the car until he paid the bill.
 
A yard owner does have the right to retain a horse if a debt is owed, they then have to give the horse owner a reasonable time frame to pay the debt or they can sell the horse for the the amount owed or if the amount obtained by sale is greater they then have to reimburse the horse owner any amount over and above the debt. The yard owner also has the right to charge livery for the horse all the while the horse is in her possession.
The police won't get involved as it is a civil matter as the horse isn't stolen only being held in lien of a debt....the same as if your car is towed.
 
FionaM12 said:
Actually, a garage did exactly this to my ex husband. :o They did the work on his car, then realised he was a bad payment risk and refused to let him collect the car until he paid the bill.
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1. bad payment risk is very different from 'not being happy with the work'
if you aren't happy with the work, and the garage wont sort it, i believe there are actually legal routes you can go down due to customers rights being protected.

op sounds like a bad payment risk personally

2. garage refused him to take away car.....but he could have gone and sat it in all day long if he wanted to....he just couldnt take it off their property

surely owner of said 'stolen' horse still has right to go sit on/groom/muck out etc own horse....defo SEE own horse...just cant remove it from yard owners property.....
 
If YO has moved the horse then im assuming this means the horse has travelled without passport which is breaking the law isnt it? And surely the OP would have to have been given written warning to pay up in certain time frame before horse could be moved anyway?
 
But the yard owner can't sell the horse because she doesn't have the passport for it? I find it odd that op hasn't answered anyone regarding the amount owed. I knew someone who got behind and was just asked to leave, surely most yard owners would cut their losses and free up the stable for the next paying customer?
 
Natch said:
Not just you and not just those questions bourbon ;) I'm more interested to know why questions about what the YO thinks they haven't paid for and how much we are talking.
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amymay said:
How much do you owe (according to YO)?
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luckyoldme said:
how much money do you owe according to the yo and what is the money for?
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luckyoldme said:
I think there are plenty of people on here who would give you good advice if they were in pocession of the full facts...quite a number have asked how much money is owed according to the yo and what it is supposed to be for. Maybe if you could answer that question then people would be more informed and less hostile towards you op.
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me&Harvey said:
Lots of avoidance of key questions....
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... I'm out.
 
Not read all replies but unless you supposedly owe thousands I would be paying money (by chq or bank transfer and with a witness) getting horse back then take her to small claims court, you may need state very clearly at time of paying that u don't believe you owe it (again witnesses and in writing) also get her to sign to say she has had the money. The longer u leave it the more she can say you owe... I would just want the horse back.
 
my guess is that you have been there four months and not paid anything, I cant see how it would get so bad otherwise

Would possibly explain why your daughter wasnt paid too

TBH if you were in the right I dont know why the YO would be so irrational!
 
Sorry, but the way this comes over to me is a troublesome livery, who has been slow paying fees, and has possibly caused trouble on the yard (why else would she have been accused of bullying - no smoke without fire and all that). Reluctance to give any real detail on amount owed and what for only makes me more inclined to side with the livery yard owner on this one. Certainly she must have told the police a very convincing story for them to allow the removal of the horse and not disclose the whereabouts to the owner. Just saying...
 
PeterNatt said:
You have every right to remove your horse from the yard and if you feel that there is likely to be a disturbance then the police are obliged to provide a presence to assist you in the peacefull recovery of your horse and goods.

Please find below a list of specialist equine solicitors.
(If you are a BHS Gold member then you get free legal advice from their legal helpline).

SOLICITORS – EQUINE

Actons
Tel: 0115 91002200 Caroline Bowler

Mark Carter
White Bowker Solicitors
Tel: 01962 844440
www.wandb.co.uk
mark.carter@wandb.co.uk

Helen Niebuhr
Darbys Solicitors
52 New Inn Hall Street
Oxford
OX1 2QD
Tel: 01865 811 7000
01865 811712
Fax: 01865 811 777
www.equine-law.net
E: equine@darbys.co.uk

Jaqcui Fulton Equine Law
Tel: 0121 308 5915
jf@equinelawuk.co.uk
www.equinelawuk.co.uk

Hannah Campbell (Specialise in compensation cases)
Tel: 01446 794196
www.horsesolicitor.co.uk
info@horse solicitor

Elizabeth Simpson Senior Solicitor at law firm Andrew M Jackson
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk
enquiries@andrewjackson.co.uk

David Forbes or Belinda Walkinshaw
Pickworths Solicitors
6 Victoria Street
St Albans
Hertfordshire
AL1 3JB
01727 844511

Mark de-villamar Roberts
Langleys Solicitors Equine Law Group
Tel: 01904 683051
E: mark.Roberts@langleys.com
www.equinelawyers.co.uk

Elizabeth Simpson
Senior Solicitor
Andrew Jackson
Yorkshire
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk

Richmond Solicitors
13-15 High Street
Keynsham
Bristol
BS31 1DP
Tel: 0117 986 9555
Fax: 0117 986 8680
enquiries@richmonssolicitorsco.uk

Jacqui Fulton
Giselle Robinson Solicitors

Knights Solicitors
Tunbridge Wells
Tel: 01892 537311
www.knights-solicitors.co.uk
Work with GRC Commercial Bailiffs
Senior partner very good on equine matters

Horse Solicitor
Tel: 01446 794 196
info@horsesolicitor.co.uk
www.horsesolicitor.com

www.laytons.com

Mary Ann Reay Charles or Chris Shaw
Shaw and Co Solicitors
Equine Law Specialists
Tel: 0800 019 1248
info@shawandco.com
www.shawandco.com

Arnold Thomson
205 Watling Street West
Towcester
Northants
NN12 6BX
Tel: 01327 350266
Fax: 01327 353567
www.arnoldthomson.com
enquiries@arnoldthomson.com

Tozers www.tozers.co.uk

Eleanor Temple Barrister from Kings Chambers in Leeds
Tel: 0113 242 1123
www.kingschambers.com
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Thankyou so much!!!
 
yaaaawn... sorry but this story doesnt ring true, so many holes in the replies, bad grammar, almost child like with some of the spelling, very shady on details, contradicts posts and avoids questions, not once tried to defend themselves when being accused of being a troll and making the whole thing up, suddenly started calling the horse 'she and mare' after they had been pulled up after referring to the horse as 'it or horse' i think OP was just really out to get a response with a made up story that was bound to get attention with a title like 'kidnapped horse' sorry to say it but it sounds like we are being taken for a walk up the garden path. think this needs putting to bed! x
 
luckyoldme said:
how much money do you owe according to the yo and what is the money for?
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we apparently owe round about 700/800 pounds, for last months livery, this months livery till the end of this month, we have paid all our bill up to date.
also she has said we owe her for my daughters entry fees to shows I know for a fact we do not owe her for them as I paid for all her entry fee online with my own bank account!
 
Forgive me if I'm repeating a previous post but the police would never allow someone to keep someone else's property unless the yo can prove explicitly that the op owes a substantial amount of money and that she has taken every step that is reasonable to recieve the monies owed. Your horse as with any pet is considered a persons property and it would work the same as a debt company sending round a baliff to get equivalent value of your possessions as a last resort. The police would have advised the op to get her possessions back and the yo to take civil actions for debts unpaid. If this is true the whole story has not been given. Plus I'm not sure why redwings or RSPCA would be called, this is a civil matter.
 
So basically £800 for 6 weeks livery? (Plus an extra two weeks until the end if the month even though you've left?) take it you're on full livery? Personally I'd offer to pay half now and get my horse and half next month and get my tack.
 
MillyMoomie said:
Forgive me if I'm repeating a previous post but the police would never allow someone to keep someone else's property unless the yo can prove explicitly that the op owes a substantial amount of money and that she has taken every step that is reasonable to recieve the monies owed. Your horse as with any pet is considered a persons property and it would work the same as a debt company sending round a baliff to get equivalent value of your possessions as a last resort. The police would have advised the op to get her possessions back and the yo to take civil actions for debts unpaid. If this is true the whole story has not been given. Plus I'm not sure why redwings or RSPCA would be called, this is a civil matter.
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im telling you the police have said the my YO can hold my horse for as long as she wants as we apparently owe her money. Till the courts say she has to give my mare she will not be giving it up, the police have also said she can move my horse without my permission we have tried both of them to try and get my horse back and have had no luck getting her back!! and we have rang redwings and the RSPCA due to the fact that the YO has been using what I think are illegal drugs to dope horse and giving one and overdose of drugs, it starve the brain of oxygen causing it to fit and never be the same again.....
 
But I can't just go in and take my neighbours belongings because I say they owe me money?! Even bailiffs can't just take stuff without proper procedures?
 
slumdog said:
So basically £800 for 6 weeks livery? (Plus an extra two weeks until the end if the month even though you've left?) take it you're on full livery? Personally I'd offer to pay half now and get my horse and half next month and get my tack.
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but we do not owe this money! and she wants the full amount or nothing we have tried everything to come to some sort of agreement to sort it all out and get my mare back but she keeps on insisting on having the full amount and charging us 120 pounds a week for her to look after my horse till we get her back once its all sorted.
And this isn't the first time she has done this to someone she did it to a women at the yard before! the women had been there for a few months before and left 2 weeks after I had arrived, this women apparently owed my YO £2000, this but this women got all 3 of her horses and up and left without a word.....we have rang this women and found out she owe nothing but she also told us that my YO had been putting things she doesn't owe on the bill and managed to get it to 2000 but they paid her to get rid of my YO!
 
Ant121 people CANNOT withhold or remove people's property. This is called theft.
The 'courts' would either award the yo your horse depending on its value or not. Just as it would be up to the yo to prove that you owe money and yourself to prove that you don't. Until then your horse is YOUR property.
 
MillyMoomie said:
Ant121 people CANNOT withhold or remove people's property. This is called theft.
The 'courts' would either award the yo your horse depending on its value or not. Just as it would be up to the yo to prove that you owe money and yourself to prove that you don't. Until then your horse is YOUR property.
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well according to the police she can.........
 
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