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Vito had had a week off whilst we went skiing and when I got back on on Monday, he was bursting out of his skin. As I spooked, leaped and jogged my way round the arena at home, a plan formed in my mind. Surely the answer to all this was to take him show jumping the following day?

The story was the same at Norton Heath. As I turned to my practice fence, he shied violently at something in the fence line and we flew to the other side of the warm up arena. I came again. Again we bounded into the air and landed several metres to our left. How, I thought in despair, was I ever supposed to warm up when I couldn't even get to the practice fence? Collecting rings are sometimes a source of tension for Vito, perhaps it's something to do with his SJ past, and the show jumpers on here will be able to tell me why! He likes to come to his fences sideways occasionally, straightening up only once he's taken off.

We skittered around a bit more, managed to jump some fences and then I thought I'd best check on the baby, who was last seen screaming at the secretary. I handed Vito to an unsuspecting stranger and walked into the secretary's office, where I was greeted by a cacophony of wails. "She doesn't want to settle" shouted the secretary, struggling to make herself heard. "I'll get you a bottle" I yelled in reply. I raced back through the car park, past the bemused stranger who was holding Vito, and dug out a carton of milk from the depths of my car. The milk sprayed everywhere on opening, drenching my jacket. I decanted it into a bottle and, as I ran back past my hapless horse-holding stranger, I reflected on my position. I'd palmed the baby off on one poor soul, the horse off on someone else, and here I was, racing through a lorry park, brandishing a baby bottle and dripping with milk. Was there, I wondered, anything in my life over which I could claim to exert any control at all?

The baby refused the bottle. Screamed loudly. "Sorry!" I shouted, turning my back on her and running back out to retrieve my horse. At least it was soon my turn to jump. We cantered to the first and I relaxed. This felt great. Bouncy, controlled canter, what was I worrying about? As soon as we landed, I knew full well what I'd been worrying about. Vito zoomed off. I grabbed hold of him, got him to two. Round we bounced over the next few. As we turned to six, we had to go past ten, and I knew he'd lock onto it by mistake. I kept as much outside bend as I dared, stopping him from falling out and carting me over number ten. He locked on. Instantly, I flexed him to the inside, turned to number six. It worked. We bounded on. Down came the stile at eight, as he didn't pick up and then down came the last as I pushed for a longer stride. Two down. Oops.

I tied him to the trailer and returned to the secretary. "Could I go again HC?" I yelled, above the screams. "Yes" she mouthed. In I went. I buried him to the first, hoped it might slow him down a bit. It came down, but he didn't seem to notice. Round we went, still faster than I'd have liked, and came to eleven. He fell wildly through his outside shoulder, scuttled sideways down the school, almost past the fence. Grim determination kicked in and I held him tightly between my hand and leg. Booted him as straight as I could. He saw the fence just in time, bounced gaily over it and we finished with just the first down.

Here's a pic.http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/VivianePendleton/media/NHeath_zps9cd113ee.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

So, I'm a little underwhelmed with the whole experience. We finished last season on such a great note, and now we're struggling to maintain anything approaching rhythm, balance, or indeed control, round a 1.05m. On the plus side, I guess we both have plenty of confidence, and it was a good marker of where we are, after the winter break. I'll put it down to experience and go do some homework…..
 

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I know your feeling of not being able to stop after the fences :( we need to book our arena hire in soon and get practising, we have scarily similar horses don't we!
 

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Sounds like how my horse is going at the moment as well :/. Jumping a course is becoming a lesson in trying to steer, slow down and hang on. Over confident horses eh! I'm glad the secretary was OK with holding the baby! If you figure out how to make your horse a bit less 'happy' to jump can you let me know ;). I'm currently trying to jump as much as possible, halting after the fence, jumping on a circle and using poles :).
 

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Rosie's Mum said she chatted to you at Norton Heath. She was v impressed that you'd 'allowed' the secretary to mind the baby. I think all the horses are a bit stir crazy at the moment - Stan was doing handstands on the lunge this morning :eek:
 

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Another brilliant report! Love that you left the baby with the secretary :biggrin3:

Thanks! The secretary is just amazing.

I know your feeling of not being able to stop after the fences :( we need to book our arena hire in soon and get practising, we have scarily similar horses don't we!

We do!!

Sounds like how my horse is going at the moment as well :/. Jumping a course is becoming a lesson in trying to steer, slow down and hang on. Over confident horses eh! I'm glad the secretary was OK with holding the baby! If you figure out how to make your horse a bit less 'happy' to jump can you let me know ;). I'm currently trying to jump as much as possible, halting after the fence, jumping on a circle and using poles :).

That sounds good. Is it working?

Rosie's Mum said she chatted to you at Norton Heath. She was v impressed that you'd 'allowed' the secretary to mind the baby. I think all the horses are a bit stir crazy at the moment - Stan was doing handstands on the lunge this morning :eek:

Julia the secretary is great. She's done it twice now, but neither of us were expecting the baby to scream quite as much as she did this time…! Rosie had a good day, didn't she?
 

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Wow! That was a great read :D Did you really actually go to compete your horse with your baby and noone else there to give you a hand? Wow!
 

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Wow! That was a great read :D Did you really actually go to compete your horse with your baby and noone else there to give you a hand? Wow!

Well I rang the show secretary first, to ask whether she would kindly look after the screaming thing! Wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise.
 

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It doesn't sound like the circumstances were great - I won't jump at NH as I couldn't get anything decent out of my horse in that warm up, so the actual class would most likely be a disaster too. It's just too small and deep. Have you jumped him in small indoor venues before? He seems a fairly hot horse and as he is primarily an eventer, perhaps indoor shows like this aren't really what you need from him?

I am sure the stress of the baby and somewhat stressy warm up were no help either.

Next time - call me. At least I can do you some fences and hold the baby!!
 

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It doesn't sound like the circumstances were great - I won't jump at NH as I couldn't get anything decent out of my horse in that warm up, so the actual class would most likely be a disaster too. It's just too small and deep. Have you jumped him in small indoor venues before? He seems a fairly hot horse and as he is primarily an eventer, perhaps indoor shows like this aren't really what you need from him?

I am sure the stress of the baby and somewhat stressy warm up were no help either.

Next time - call me. At least I can do you some fences and hold the baby!!

They were using a different warm up I think - the outdoor one normally reserved for liveries, by the indoor school. You may be right that it would be better to go to larger arenas, my trainer said exactly that! But…. NH is close and I spend so much time trekking about for eventing, that I'd rather go to local venues for now if I can! I do quite like it there, too.

Hum…. I will!!! Though I'm planning to go mid-week, so that job thing (which I've quite forgotten!) may get in the way for you?!
 

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I saw on FB! Big decision. How is it going?

I am planning to go to NH on 4 Feb, 18 Feb and 4 March. Are you out with Vanilla any time soon?
 

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The lorry has been in repair for ages (it created enough smoke on its own for Boris to extend the emissions zone) and still isn't back - if it's back next week I think we will go to Arena UK for a few days. Vanilla is jumping pretty big tracks very well at home but obviously we need to get out now, can't wait!
 

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Hilarious report! And you have a lovely secretary there! My big mare loves jumping and can love it a bit too much, when she stops listening to me and rushing we do canter - walk / canter - halt transitions after a fence, she loves jumping so much that not letting her carry on soon makes her remember her manners! It perhaps wouldn't work with something that gets very wound up, but if more of a 'yay jump jump, lalala can't hear you!' attitude then seems to work well :).
 

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Sounds like my round the other day - sit tight and hold on and try to get him to lock on to the right fences! Billy's problem is that 90cm is too small for him so he jollys around having far too much fun - could this be the same with Vito? Does he need more of a challenge?
 

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Hilarious report! And you have a lovely secretary there! My big mare loves jumping and can love it a bit too much, when she stops listening to me and rushing we do canter - walk / canter - halt transitions after a fence, she loves jumping so much that not letting her carry on soon makes her remember her manners! It perhaps wouldn't work with something that gets very wound up, but if more of a 'yay jump jump, lalala can't hear you!' attitude then seems to work well :).

Yes, maybe I need to do that. I've being doing some related distances and making sure we get the right number of strides (rather than take one out!) which I think has helped.

Sounds like my round the other day - sit tight and hold on and try to get him to lock on to the right fences! Billy's problem is that 90cm is too small for him so he jollys around having far too much fun - could this be the same with Vito? Does he need more of a challenge?

I don't know. He started messing about in the warm up, and I'd always start with a tiny cross pole, irrespective of the height I was jumping. I guess a bigger track may have slowed him up in the ring, but I'd quite like it if he listened to me over a pole on the ground, just as much as he'd listened to me round a big track!
 

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Can I just say how brave you are going competing on your own with a baby in tow, I'm impressed, I would have to have taken someone with me lol
 

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Can I just say how brave you are going competing on your own with a baby in tow, I'm impressed, I would have to have taken someone with me lol

It's fine, as long as there is someone there (like a kind secretary!) to hold the baby whilst I am jumping! I ride on my own at home, but of course at home I can just pop the baby in the corner of the school and keep an eye on her. It'd be a bit hard to pop her in the corner of a jumping arena!
 

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Oh Vito... At least he's feeling pleased with himself? Hopefully he'll settle back into 'normal' as he gets back into the eventing groove!
 

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I feel your pain...! It must be something in the air.

I took my big horse out to a combined training this week, entered him for one class lower than normal, as 1st outing since end of last season.....mistake......he was a complete TANK. As we turned to fence 5, he locked onto fence 7.......backwards. Thankfully I JUST managed to pull him off it....not that he couldn't have jumped a 1.10 parallel backwards.....but I really prefer not to!

Needless to say, he will be entered for the intermediate next time, with a curb chain substituted for the strap I put on (a bit too loosely)....& some schooling in the meantime! The silly thing is, I can happily pop him in a snaffle at home.....adrenaline is a wonderful thing!!!.
 

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Yes, maybe I need to do that. I've being doing some related distances and making sure we get the right number of strides (rather than take one out!) which I think has helped.
I don't know. He started messing about in the warm up, and I'd always start with a tiny cross pole, irrespective of the height I was jumping. I guess a bigger track may have slowed him up in the ring, but I'd quite like it if he listened to me over a pole on the ground, just as much as he'd listened to me round a big track!

This is how I feel. I think he should behave no matter how big or small.
My methods kind of working but he's having a week off now while I'm away so no doubt will have to start again with the de-energising when I get home.
Have tried setting up a related distance on 4/5 strides and jumping the first fence on a circle only continuing to second fence when calm. Then halting in a straight line after the 2nd fence.
Have also tried putting markers to go through after a fence quite close so I have to look for the turn as soon as I land. Then stringing 3-4 fences together but with markers to go through first. Helps focus me to keep riding every second and I put markers to the right and left so horsie doesn't know which way we will turn. Stops him locking on to whatevers in his eye line. We were getting into the habbit of flying off on landing with him heading for whatever he thought was next so this at least gets him listening! :)
 
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Oh Vito... At least he's feeling pleased with himself? Hopefully he'll settle back into 'normal' as he gets back into the eventing groove!

I hope so!

I feel your pain...! It must be something in the air.

I took my big horse out to a combined training this week, entered him for one class lower than normal, as 1st outing since end of last season.....mistake......he was a complete TANK. As we turned to fence 5, he locked onto fence 7.......backwards. Thankfully I JUST managed to pull him off it....not that he couldn't have jumped a 1.10 parallel backwards.....but I really prefer not to!

Needless to say, he will be entered for the intermediate next time, with a curb chain substituted for the strap I put on (a bit too loosely)....& some schooling in the meantime! The silly thing is, I can happily pop him in a snaffle at home.....adrenaline is a wonderful thing!!!.

Ha! Yes, best to jump fences the right way, normally!

This is how I feel. I think he should behave no matter how big or small.
My methods kind of working but he's having a week off now while I'm away so no doubt will have to start again with the de-energising when I get home.
Have tried setting up a related distance on 4/5 strides and jumping the first fence on a circle only continuing to second fence when calm. Then halting in a straight line after the 2nd fence.
Have also tried putting markers to go through after a fence quite close so I have to look for the turn as soon as I land. Then stringing 3-4 fences together but with markers to go through first. Helps focus me to keep riding every second and I put markers to the right and left so horsie doesn't know which way we will turn. Stops him locking on to whatevers in his eye line. We were getting into the habbit of flying off on landing with him heading for whatever he thought was next so this at least gets him listening! :)

Yes, mine anticipates like mad. Does it on the flat, too; I can't practise a dressage movement too many times in a row, or I get it whether I want it or not!
 
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