Laminitis? SOS

I have a vague memory of mine tying up after a virus but he never did it again. He wasn't visibly poorly before though just quiet we only realised with the bloods. Hope you get some answers soon
 
CanteringCarrot said:
Does a fever go with tying up?

Just asking, because I just don't know.

Viruses can do weird things too!
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Not sure it always does, but I’ve seen it happen before. Tying up, temp spike then colicked with the pain 😖 Was ok after a quick trip to Liphook.

Oh Atlas you silly boy! The eating doesn’t actually surprise me, Morgan’s are pretty much the equivalent of our natives IMO
 
Oh Mitchen, so sorry to read about Atlas. I have been following your USA thread. Fingers crossed it's something that can be easily fixed.

With regards to where do you draw the line, only you know the answer to that. sending healing vibes and anything else you need.
 
I literally had dinner with my friend (who will be receiving him and covering his case) two weeks ago and said how glad I was not to have another hospitalization before leaving the state. lol.
 
Michen said:
The vet is astounded that as a horse with a 104 temp he still wants food.

I’m waiting for him to wake enough to trailer him to hosp and he’s still trying to eat!!
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did you also test for pssm2? Part of the process is ruling out pssm1 first and then the only way to test after is for a muscle biopsy. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I swear horses are absolutely heartbreaking. I would be wondering if a virus or pssm2 with those symptoms but the vets might know if there’s anything going around
 
Jeez Michen, you deserve a break from this rollercoaster! Poor little guy. Hope you get some answers from the vet/hospital. No advice to add, but I'm sending positive vibes. xx
 
So Atlas gets off the trailer with a normal temp. WTH. Everything is normal on ultrasound. His white blood cells are a little low. We are awaiting a urine test for kidneys because his protein looks low compared to bloodwork I had run two weeks ago- which I only did just because I think it’s good to do so every year.

I’m running viral tests more to be a good human than anything for anywhere he might go, but it’s low on the list given the reduction in fever that he did alone with not anti inflammatories.

He’s completely perky. Starving hungry. Pestering all the vet techs. If the urine test shows kidney issues I’ll probably drop the several thousand dollars to have him in for a day to IV fluid. He’s been on bute so it’s possible he has underlying disease that it’s kicked off. Then you have the issue of a young horse with side bone that can never really have bute again…

Completely bizarre we are all stumped. Dark, red urine. Vets are worried despite him having rallied.

Oh and bloodwork showed he did not tie up.


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Potomac would be my first thought given the feet, weird fever and almost colic like pain then looking normal.

Give him 48h at the vet clinic and make a call if the improvement isn't massive?
 
druid said:
Potomac would be my first thought given the feet, weird fever and almost colic like pain then looking normal.

Give him 48h at the vet clinic and make a call if the improvement isn't massive?
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I mean it already is in the sense that his spirits right now is 100% normal and happy, "just" pissing dark red. I'll ask them, thanks.

Even a couple of days is 4k, I've already spent nearly 2.5k in the last few weeks plus another 1k today and...10k earlier this year. It's a hard one to swallow for a young horse that's got a guarded athletic future..
 
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@Michen please ignore this if I am
completely wrong as your love for Atlas shines through but to me, so does your realisation that he may no longer be able to give you what you want ridden wise. It’s an absolutely insane amount of money that you have already spent and you seem to have a reluctance to spend much more.

With the big move very close by, could you be looking for a fresh start or a way out? Writing that sounds heartless but I hope you can see where I am coming from.

Whatever you decide will be right by you and Atlas and there will be no judgement from me either way.

I hope it all works out the way you want it to. You are so due a break.
 
Perhaps you need a serious regroup with his future, money, previous health issues, current health issues..
Money and time.
If he's that ill he should be under your care not at livery, perhaps this is something to also consider, you need a low maintenance horse and he's just not that.
He's I'll you can't just put him in a box and ship him around the country because you need to fly out for the next deal, you wouldn't do it to a human would you?

Perhaps it's time to get one last set of tests etc and see if perhaps anyone else would like to give him a chance.

And then be horse free for a while go and live your life get those deals, explore the world with your partner and be content that you done/tried your best.
 
I guess I just struggle because this is a living breathing horse with a ton of personality and I have the money to fix him up/wouldn’t think twice if he didn’t have a question mark over his soundness and future career.

It’s really hard to do, to not give him the best just because he’s not yet “done much” for me or may never do so.

It’s hard to apply logic to a living thing.
 
jhoward said:
Perhaps you need a serious regroup with his future, money, previous health issues, current health issues..
Money and time.
If he's that ill he should be under your care not at livery, perhaps this is something to also consider, you need a low maintenance horse and he's just not that.
He's I'll you can't just put him in a box and ship him around the country because you need to fly out for the next deal, you wouldn't do it to a human would you?

Perhaps it's time to get one last set of tests etc and see if perhaps anyone else would like to give him a chance.

And then be horse free for a while go and live your life get those deals, explore the world with your partner and be content that you done/tried your best.
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What are you talking about? Of course I’m not shipping him now as he is!!! I wouldn’t dream of it. I meant boarding in Colorado (at a previous barn with one of my best friends on site daily) so he has MORE care than at my self care barn where there’s only eyes on him twice a day.

As for flying off for the next deal, that’s a sting, this isn’t that. I have to move next week. I have to prioritize my job so that I can PAY for this kind of thing. Atlas will not suffer because of where I am, his welfare will always come first. He doesn’t need me there if you have the right people around.

Honestly that whole post stings. I’m here dropping huge amounts of cash on the horse, trying to do my best for him as I do with every animal in my care. I don’t know that many people would even be considering hospitalizing a lame horse with an uncertain future.

Over and out on this thread now.
 
jhoward said:
Perhaps you need a serious regroup with his future, money, previous health issues, current health issues..
Money and time.
If he's that ill he should be under your care not at livery, perhaps this is something to also consider, you need a low maintenance horse and he's just not that.
He's I'll you can't just put him in a box and ship him around the country because you need to fly out for the next deal, you wouldn't do it to a human would you?

Perhaps it's time to get one last set of tests etc and see if perhaps anyone else would like to give him a chance.

And then be horse free for a while go and live your life get those deals, explore the world with your partner and be content that you done/tried your best.
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Unnecessary

Michen has had a run of appalling luck recently. If you can't be supportive then scroll on by.
 
Michen said:
What are you talking about? Of course I’m not shipping him now as he is!!! I wouldn’t dream of it. I meant boarding in Colorado (at a previous barn with one of my best friends on site daily) so he has MORE care than at my self care barn where there’s only eyes on him twice a day.

As for flying off for the next deal, that’s a sting, this isn’t that. I have to move next week. I have to prioritize my job so that I can PAY for this kind of thing. Atlas will not suffer because of where I am, his welfare will always come first. He doesn’t need me there if you have the right people around.

Honestly that whole post stings. I’m here dropping huge amounts of cash on the horse, trying to do my best for him as I do with every animal in my care. I don’t know that many people would even be considering hospitalizing a lame horse with an uncertain future.
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I’m not sure why anyone would post that right now. I have nothing useful to say but I am sending all good thoughts and feelings to you and Atlas
 
It was a bit of a d-ck post. This move had been planned for a while. We all (well, some of us 🙄) have had to move for jobs or education or family or whatever life things happen. No one plans on or wants an ill horse right before a big move! That’s just pure bad luck.

Please don’t stop keeping us updated. Lots of us care!!
 
Sorry yes I know you do it's just unbelievably hurtful to be accused off flying off for my next deal, or moving a horse that's not just a bit lame but actually sick, across the country. As if I'm that heartless or stupid.

Me sitting around nursing Atlas and not going to work is not going to help. Me going to work, earning the money to pay for Atlas and to pay for him having all the care in the world- that's helpful.

As it happens I've just signed the paperwork to drop the circa 4k to have him hospitalized, IV fluid and all the care he can get despite the fact he's, as it stands, not going to do much of a job for me.

But hey, if someone else wants to have a shot with him and do better hopefully they will raise their hand ;)
 
Who needs money anyway.

Any more news or thoughts from the vets on what it might be? Druid's theory sounds plausible (and she's a vet, I believe).
 
I also saw the vet that fell in love with him. He’s kinda gruff and old school and just said a simple “this horse is worth getting fixed up”.

He had to be sedated for the catheter 🙈

What Druid said was ruled out based on a few things. We still don’t know what the cause is, whether a quick insult to the liver or he has underlying chronic disease and the bute topped him over the edge. Apparently levels can be fine but disease can still be ticking away.

So long term he may be f***** or he may not this could be a one time thing never to happen again.



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Caol Ila said:
God, it's so hard when you just want an answer.

Are there more tests they can do?
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A kidney biopsy but didn’t really discuss it as kinda had to make a decision there and then to put the money down and leave him in or take him home and let him take his chances and hope I can hydrate him enough at home.

I feel like it all points to a chronic kidney issue whereby the bute tipped him over the edge. And that could shorten his life by who knows how long or something else could get him first.

And he’s lame, and now can’t have pain meds. So that’s also a welfare issue in itself to consider that if he doesn’t get sound asap, how long is that ok acceptable for?

Always nice to be up against walls eh.
 
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