Large sarcoid and crest toothpaste, result!

Personally I would first try a liver tonic because that can reduce size or get rid. Then if after a bottle or 2 you don't see a difference then try the toothpaste, if your going down that route, vet recommended me duraphat 5000 as the best due to the amount of fluoride. Good luck
 
Hi there, a year on after treating a large fibrolastic sarcoid and a slightly smaller one with colgate toothpaste (only had a flouride count of 1450) I am thrilled to say the is no sign of return or any new ones developing. I'd go the toothpaste route first time every time now if I had the displeasure of dealing with them again. It doesn't hurt the animal and costs 99p!
 
Brilliant ThoroughbredStar - that's so encouraging!

JoClark I have had her on numerous immune boosting herbs. Can you recommend any particular liver tonic you have found effective?
 
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I put mine on global herbs restore, the tonic not powder and it's great stuff, I'd say after first 1ltr bottle change then 2nd they fell off. It's worth a try if you haven't before.
Good luck they are very stressful things and so many horses seem to be getting them. X
 
Thanks JoClark, I just bought some Restore too. I'll give that a bit of time before I use the toothpaste as I would rather treat without having to touch/aggravate them but it would be nice to see them gone before Summer and flies so if that doesn't kick in pretty quick I will use the Crest.

And yeah I think you have a point about a lot of horses getting them - I'm pretty sure in my experience at least that they are on the rise, lets hope some more research can help with this.
 
My youngster had a pea sized sarcoid on her belly. I got some Duraphat 5000 toothpaste about 12 months ago I think it was and it's never come back.
 
You can get duraphat from any pharmacy if they don't stock it they can order it in but don't tell them what you are using it for day it's for yourself as strictly speaking they are not allowed to sell any medicines for animal use.

Fwiw I suspect those sarcoids that appear to clear up never to return when toothpaste was used would have cleared up the same way with out it, with some horses a horses immune system manages to clear them, my horse was one of the lucky ones his remaining sarcoids dropped off to, no toothpaste or anything else used, and the good news is when this happens the horse has immunity to further sarcoids so they do not return!
 
Another success with Crest!
My young lad had 4 smallish nodular sarcoids between his front legs, a larger veruccous one on his girth and a nodular sarcoid on his sheath. After having the sarcoids inspected by the vet, I started the 'Crest regime' (daubing on every day or so and just leaving in between...no washing off). My vet was originally going to freeze the sarcoids off, although decided that as Crest as seemed fairly harmless, he would just watch with interest.

Well, over a 12 month period the sarcoids have all one by one fell off and completely disappeared . There is now just one tiny nodule remaining on his sheath ...which is shrinking. Coincidence?? Maybe. Pain from highly intrusive (and expensive) treatements? None. Happy horse..definitely (only drawback was getting cheesed off when he wasn't allowed to eat it!).

Cost: 99p from Wilko's.
 
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Also, being a cynical old bat sometimes, I am of the certain opinion that if, and I say IF, toothpaste dealt effectively with sarcoids there isn't a vet in the country that would suggest a 2 or 3 quid remedy from corner shop is better than their treatment. Veterinary practice is not always about what is best for animal and owner. It is just as much about business.
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OH how I disagree with you….. I am so sick and tired of people thinking this of vets….. as a vet nurse who has worked tirelessly over the last nearly 30 years looking after animals and running a busy vet practice I can not stress how wrong you are….

I am sure there are a few vet practices out there who maybe charge more than they should- naming no names and shame on them BUT the majority of vets and nurses are hard working caring people who put the needs of the animals before anything else and if that means a £2 tube of toothpaste then so be it….. I would not have run my practice any other way.

Believe me when I say that there is not a lot of profit in most small vet practices…..

and if toothpaste works- be it for a sarcoid or a wart then why not… I would give it a go for sure!
 
Finding this thread interesting as currently treating pony with two sarcoids using the blood root cream and it's horrific, what a mess, wish I had left them alone!
 
and now i am trying it on my 2 year old!! thankfully i kept some both the 5000ppm and the 2500ppm, hope it helps. Was wondering about the blood root, but didn't realise that was painful as well.
 
Unfortunately the toothpaste did nothing for us (no harm either so no harm in trying!). Vet is now coming tomorrow to take photos for Liverpool :( and that is another thread!
 
My horse had a large sarcoid in his groin when I bought him. It was rubbing against his sheath and getting sore. My vet just squeezed it out when she was there for vaccinations. It took seconds and there was no additional charge. It healed completely and 12 years later it hasn't grown back and there is no scar tissue to show it had ever been there.
 
I had good luck with the homeopathic thuja 30x. Feed for 7 days, 3 pills 2x daily with 12 hours between doses. After a week 1 of 3 fell off. I also hear a cream of thuja also works well, tho I havnt tried it yet. I also read good things about "stinky stuff" which I worked out is neem oil.
 
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These stories never fail to horrify me. True sarcoids are a form of skin cancer. Ask yourselves: if you had a skin cancer develop, say, on your arm, would you slap toothpaste on it and see what happened or would you be banging on your Dr's door demanding an urgent appointment with the best oncologist around? Ask yourself this too - if slapping toothpaste on a sarcoid/skin cancer for a couple of weeks works so well, why aren't all vets and doctors routinely prescribing it? I'm afraid that the truth behind the "sarcoid" dropping off was that it wasn't a sarcoid in the first place. And no wonder the wart (probably) left a hole after it disappeared that you're now having to treat as a wound! It IS a wound, caused by slapping toothpaste on a sore! Lucky nothing worse happened because the only thing worse than having toothpaste slapped on a sore and suffering whatever pain that caused, must be having it slapped on a sore on your sheath.
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I've said the very same on previous posts relating to the use of toothpaste. Toothpaste is an abrasive. Bit like sandpaper. This is why the sarcoid is dropping off. Not because its been treated as such. Dr Knottenbelt has stated that he is suprised about people using this product : http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/top-vet-warns-against-using-toothpaste-to-treat-sarcoids-403652







The rumour that toothpaste can cure sarcoids is not new. But Professor Derek Knottenbelt — an equine dermatology expert at Liverpool University — believes that social media discussions have fuelled a rise in the number of horse owners trying the method.

Prof Knottenbelt estimates that he now sees 2 or 3 sarcoid cases a week that owners have tried to treat using toothpaste.

“It is completely ludicrous; this is cancer that we are dealing with,” he told H&H.

“Imagine if you went to the doctor with cancer and they sent you to the supermarket to buy toothpaste.”

Despite there being no medical evidence for the treatment, some people claim that it does work.

An owner on the H&H forum said: “I kept reading about toothpaste and I thought, what the hell, I will give it a go.




“I have been slapping it on and much to my amazement the whole thing has come away. Who would have thought this would actually work?”

Approximately 10% of horses recover from sarcoids naturally— which is what Prof Knottenbelt believes may have led people to believe that the toothpaste treatment works.

He warns that not only does the remedy not work, but it is also dangerous because it delays treatment and can irritate the tumour.

“I see cases all the time where it has failed and it’s much worse,” he added.

“These people claim to ‘love their horse’ yet they are prepared to treat them like this. It is complete madness.”

Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...-to-treat-sarcoids-403652#m51X6Ejc7Yqwdjlz.99
 
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